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Hunt, not GMC is the Problem

sufandu said:
Regardless of the read the play design, calls for the RB to run parallel there. How do I know? Because he does it every time they run it. They can run a zone read where the RB starts with his momentum going north/south not east/west. Other teams do it.
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It really doesn't. It calls him to hit the hole b/w the G and T. The issue is there is a never a hole there due to poor interior blocking and the back is forced to run parallel.
 
Full_Rebar said:
Shotgun on 1st and goal from the 1 with a 240-lb QB. Clearly the football gods didn't take that too kindly- loss, penalty, dropped TD.
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Good god, people scream for spread offenses and then get mad when we, like nearly every other spread team, works from the shotgun deep in enemy territory.

That has always been the complaint of the spread. That sneak worked against Notre Dame. If you are under center and hand the ball to AAM on that play, you get stuffed too...
 
timkay99 said:
Good god, people scream for spread offenses and then get mad when we, like nearly every other spread team, works from the shotgun deep in enemy territory.

That has always been the complaint of the spread. That sneak worked against Notre Dame. If you are under center and hand the ball to AAM on that play, you get stuffed too...
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I never screamed for a spread offense.
 
sufandu said:
I never screamed for a spread offense.
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Wasn't replying to you. Meant for the person referencing the being in the shotgun from the 1.

Honestly, this is why I wanted Hackett as HC and said so from the beginning b/c I like a power running style and play action. But, GMC's playcalls aren't the issue with this offense.

Given that the OL is creating a good pocket for throwing (shockingly, pass blocking has been pretty strong tonight), gotta go Wilson just to re-focus Hunt at least.
 
I've never screamed for a spread offense with this group. Run the ball- that's the strength of the team, especially with Broyld and Estime out.
 
Full_Rebar said:
Hunt isn't good, but McD isn't helping him. This is a running team- go strong at the goal line and punch it in.
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For me, the OL isn't set-up for it though. Miller gets blown up consistently and the G's have been bad. Tackles have pass blocked well, but haven't run blocked well at all.
 
timkay99 said:
GMC's playcalling cost 2 points, but Hunt's decision-making and lack of field awareness cost the team at least 3 points and likely more.

The QB can't throw a swing pass accurately, passes up a sure TD to throw a laser right to the safety who was attacking the route and locks in completely on one WR.

A QB needs to be recruited badly.
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Who's his coach?
 
timkay99 said:
There is blame for both. Hunt is the bigger problem.

I mean, a QB can't throw a swing pass to a wide open WR. That's on the QB. The QB tries to call a timeout with no timeouts left. That's on the QB.

McDonald calls a great play and Hunt throws a laser right to the safety, thus ensuring a TD call gets Louisville a FG.

If you think GMac is the biggest problem, what plays do you run for a QB that can't throw an accurate pass beyond 5 yards (and inside 5 yards is 50/50)? And oh yea, your OL will only occasionally block when you run the ball.
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totally disagree. mcd gets paid. hunt is a raw athlete trying his best to play qb. its not his fault he is the best we have. hunt has won us games if put in the right situations, i cant say the same for mcd
 
Sudano said:
Who's his coach?
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Lester.
eddie in nc said:
totally disagree. mcd gets paid. hunt is a raw athlete trying his best to play qb. its not his fault he is the best we have. hunt has won us games if put in the right situations, i cant say the same for mcd
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What game did Hunt win for us in the ACC last year? Boston College, where a great play call from McDonald got the win?
 
timkay99 said:
Lester.


What game did Hunt win for us in the ACC last year? Boston College, where a great play call from McDonald got the win?
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all of them, he's the qb. if he gets the blame in the losses the he gets the credit for the wins
 
you said it not me. i will always give the kids the benefit of the doubt. mcd is 35 andacts like he's 20. hunt is 20.
 
So we've established Hunt isn't a good QB. Why design an offense that relies so heavily on him? In the first 4 games he's attempted nearly 30 passes per game, and that's with him missing half of one game. And with the zone read runs, he reads the defense and determines whether to give or keep the ball. Why would a good OC place so much responsibility on such a clearly bad player?
 
sufandu said:
So we've established Hunt isn't a good QB. Why design an offense that relies so heavily on him? In the first 4 games he's attempted nearly 30 passes per game, and that's with him missing half of one game. And with the zone read runs, he reads the defense and determines whether to give or keep the ball. Why would a good OC place so much responsibility on such a clearly bad player?
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goes back to putting the kids in a position to succeed. don't ask TH to throw the 5 step drop, 15 yard out to the wide side of the field. just give the kid a chance. granted, our oline doesn't help a whole lot.
 
I like Hunt, but he's a poor qb. And an even worse qb for our offense. However, our whole offense is playing poorly. You can argue they've moved the ball well at times. But that doesn't do anything if you can't score points. I also think our OC has been horrible. If you know our offense isn't capable of running the O you want you either change it or decide you're okay with losing. I know which is more apparent at this point.
 
sufandu said:
So we've established Hunt isn't a good QB. Why design an offense that relies so heavily on him? In the first 4 games he's attempted nearly 30 passes per game, and that's with him missing half of one game. And with the zone read runs, he reads the defense and determines whether to give or keep the ball. Why would a good OC place so much responsibility on such a clearly bad player?
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B/c this offense (personnel wise) is extremely limited. Hunt's biggest strength is his elusiveness, so the offense has to utilize that (which is a read option offense). I don't know there is an offensive system that can work with this personnel against ACC teams.

You can try and be a power running team, but the OL has regressed. Hickey had his best game of the year tonight and still had some issues. Interior line may as well have been non-existent, mainly Miller. With Broyld and Estime out, WR's can't get separation against press coverage and hit the slants. But, they can't block on bubble screens either.

Also, nowhere did I say GMC is a good OC. I am saying more of the offensive woes rest with the QB position then the playcalling (and OL is high up on that list as well). However, the OL actually pass blocked well tonight in creating a pocket (which also may be b/c Ville wanted to keep Hunt in the pocket).

People railed on Hackett and he all of a sudden became a good OC when he had a NFL QB under center (b/c that is what a power run/play action style relies on, a NFL style QB). I think McDonald's system has a better chance at being successful consistently in college, but needs more time to get players in. The cupboard was bare offensively, especially at WR and QB. I think our OL recruiting has been bad.

We are transitioning from a power run team to a finesse spread team. We are putting square pegs in round holes overall. However, if we have another schematic shift, we will need to restart that as well.

My biggest issue with the offense? We don't have a single coach with OL experience. Game is won in the trenches.
 
As bad as GMC has been, his plays should've resulted in a few TDs. Hunt is the main problem. He's just not an ACC caliber QB.

It's so bad that I no longer feel superior to UCONN football. We're that inept and our QB is that bad.
 
timkay99 said:
B/c this offense (personnel wise) is extremely limited. Hunt's biggest strength is his elusiveness, so the offense has to utilize that (which is a read option offense). I don't know there is an offensive system that can work with this personnel against ACC teams.

You can try and be a power running team, but the OL has regressed. Hickey had his best game of the year tonight and still had some issues. Interior line may as well have been non-existent, mainly Miller. With Broyld and Estime out, WR's can't get separation against press coverage and hit the slants. But, they can't block on bubble screens either.
Also, nowhere did I say GMC is a good OC. I am saying more of the offensive woes rest with the QB position then the playcalling (and OL is high up on that list as well). However, the OL actually pass blocked well tonight in creating a pocket (which also may be b/c Ville wanted to keep Hunt in the pocket).

People railed on Hackett and he all of a sudden became a good OC when he had a NFL QB under center (b/c that is what a power run/play action style relies on, a NFL style QB). I think McDonald's system has a better chance at being successful consistently in college, but needs more time to get players in. The cupboard was bare offensively, especially at WR and QB. I think our OL recruiting has been bad.

We are transitioning from a power run team to a finesse spread team. We are putting square pegs in round holes overall. However, if we have another schematic shift, we will need to restart that as well.

My biggest issue with the offense? We don't have a single coach with OL experience. Game is won in the trenches.
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Good post. Well said. I just tend to put of the blame on the guys that get paid. Hunt is definitley limited but he has won us some games and we have to give him the benefit of the doubt. And - what do we have behind him?
 
Hunt definitely holds us back. Yes, McDonald calls plays that Hunt can't execute like screens and sideline passes and many forward passes ... actually, come to think of it, it IS on Hunt a lot of the time. He misses elementary throws, he locks on his target and he is inaccurate - several times this evening he threw high, our receiver stretched to catch the ball and got nailed for no extra yards. This offense is predicated on YAC and our QB's accuracy is so poor we can't get any YAC on the short throws.

Hunt looked better last year when they lomited what he could do. Maybe they need to return to that.
 
timkay99 said:
B/c this offense (personnel wise) is extremely limited. Hunt's biggest strength is his elusiveness, so the offense has to utilize that (which is a read option offense). I don't know there is an offensive system that can work with this personnel against ACC teams.

You can try and be a power running team, but the OL has regressed. Hickey had his best game of the year tonight and still had some issues. Interior line may as well have been non-existent, mainly Miller. With Broyld and Estime out, WR's can't get separation against press coverage and hit the slants. But, they can't block on bubble screens either.

Also, nowhere did I say GMC is a good OC. I am saying more of the offensive woes rest with the QB position then the playcalling (and OL is high up on that list as well). However, the OL actually pass blocked well tonight in creating a pocket (which also may be b/c Ville wanted to keep Hunt in the pocket).

People railed on Hackett and he all of a sudden became a good OC when he had a NFL QB under center (b/c that is what a power run/play action style relies on, a NFL style QB). I think McDonald's system has a better chance at being successful consistently in college, but needs more time to get players in. The cupboard was bare offensively, especially at WR and QB. I think our OL recruiting has been bad.

We are transitioning from a power run team to a finesse spread team. We are putting square pegs in round holes overall. However, if we have another schematic shift, we will need to restart that as well.

My biggest issue with the offense? We don't have a single coach with OL experience. Game is won in the trenches.
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We're never going to get players to run this offense with it looking so dysfunctional so regularly. McDonald needs to be creative and I don't think he knows how to be. Auburn basically used a RB at quarterback all year last season. If we're using Hunt for his mobility, we should just take one of our faster RB's, teach him how read a zone read play and let's do our best Auburn impression with multiple RB's in the backfield. Before anyone says, "We'll never be Auburn, we don't have their players," guess what, we'll never be as good as any of the best offenses because they all have better personnel, but we have to do something different. Rick Rod essentially did the same thing with Pat White at WVU.

I agree that we need a good OL coach. Adkins may have been our biggest loss when Marrone left, maybe bigger than Hackett.

Edit: If McDonald is going to study anyone this off season it should be Gus Malzahn. His offense last year was perfect for a team weak at QB and WR and strong at RB. He was also able to teach it in one off season, so the guy must be a teaching genius. Maybe Gus will let him watch their bowl game practices, cool kid won't have anything better to do.
 
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If Hunt is so bad, why is he throwing 30+ passes per game, which due to the amount he pulls the ball down and runs means the pass calls are higher? McDonald himself says SU is a running team, yet he is too quick to abandon the run.
 

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