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I guess it’s all eyes on Oshae - HE'S STAYING

two3zone said:
No debating that, but not even one trusts our staff enough to believe they can improve their stock? Not one enjoys their time here enough to stick around?
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Most of them if not all, have been borderline 1st round. I’m thinking they figure they should go while their stock is up.
 
rrlbees said:
Most of them if not all, have been borderline 1st round. I’m thinking they figure they should go while their stock is up.
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I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying, but it wouldn't make me question the culture if even just one guy stuck around .
 
two3zone said:
No debating that, but not even one trusts our staff enough to believe they can improve their stock? Not one enjoys their time here enough to stick around?
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Really? How many kids who were told they were 1st rounders decided to stay in school and actually improved their draft status? Wallace maybe the last kid who decided to stay and his stock went down.
 
SBU72 said:
Really? How many kids who were told they were 1st rounders decided to stay in school and actually improved their draft status? Wallace maybe the last kid who decided to stay and his stock went down.
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The draft next year is a lot weaker. Oshae might not get picked this year. Next year he could be lottery.
 
SBU72 said:
Really? How many kids who were told they were 1st rounders decided to stay in school and actually improved their draft status? Wallace maybe the last kid who decided to stay and his stock went down.
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Happens more than you think at other schools. Citing John Wallace does nothing, everything has changed since then and some of our players weren't even alive when he was drafted.
 
Cusefan0307 said:
The draft next year is a lot weaker. Oshae might not get picked this year. Next year he could be lottery.
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I guess I don't get ur point. Oshae isn't projected 1st round anywhere I heard, in fact not top 100 the lat report, To argue he should return is fine but don't ssy he's 1st round and would be even better waiting. That is my point.
 
two3zone said:
Happens more than you think at other schools. Citing John Wallace does nothing, everything has changed since then and some of our players weren't even alive when he was drafted.
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Can you tell me what kid was legitamately projected 1st round and decided to stay and actually drafted higher, like lottery area. 1st round projection mind you. I am not aware of any and if you can name some, then I would learn something.

Heard John Thomson yesterday say that while he would tell a kid he should not go early he would also tell the same kid he HAD to go to take advantage of the money.
 
SBU72 said:
I guess I don't get ur point. Oshae isn't projected 1st round anywhere I heard, in fact not top 100 the lat report, To argue he should return is fine but don't ssy he's 1st round and would be even better waiting. That is my point.
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Yes I agree with you. He's not first round this year, but some mocks have him as a lottery pick next year.
 
Cusefan0307 said:
Yes I agree with you. He's not first round this year, but some mocks have him as a lottery pick next year.
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See my comment on what John Thomson said. Can't hold back a kid with the possibilty of improving. Not with literally millions at stake.
 
SBU72 said:
Can you tell me what kid was legitamately projected 1st round and decided to stay and actually drafted higher, like lottery area. 1st round projection mind you. I am not aware of any and if you can name some, then I would learn something.

Heard John Thomson yesterday say that while he would tell a kid he should not go early he would also tell the same kid he HAD to go to take advantage of the money.
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Willy Cauley Stein.
 
two3zone said:
No debating that, but not even one trusts our staff enough to believe they can improve their stock? Not one enjoys their time here enough to stick around?
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Why should they stay if they can make millions of dollars in the NBA?
 
Who's the poster who has been tutoring Oshae? Come on man, let us behind the curtain!
 
310Pigpen said:
Why should they stay if they can make millions of dollars in the NBA?
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Not disagreeing with you. Buy you'd figure one out of 10 would stay. What's your view on what Lydon did last year?
 
two3zone said:
Not disagreeing with you. Buy you'd figure one out of 10 would stay. What's your view on what Lydon did last year?
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He's a millionaire. No guarantee he'd be that if he was here this year and entered the draft.
 
two3zone said:
You don't think it was odd he signed an agent the second Hop left and never told JB?
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I mean he signed an agent like a month later... but sure

EDIT - My mistake - he didn't sign officially until like a month later but when he declared it said he was doing so with an agent. Fair enough
 
A millionaire doesn’t mean the same thing it did 10 years ago. You have to remember these kids have to pay agents, taxes, then buy a house, a car, hook up their friends and then you realize the million or two didn’t last all that long. It’s not about getting into the lottery and the guaranteed contract it’s all about the second contract. Most of these kids leave after a year and go down to g or d league and never are good enough to last in the nba. This is were the staff needs to hammer the facts into their skulls and disprove what agents and greedy family or friends are saying. How many second contracts have been signed by su players in the past ten years. How many of these kids are struggling or are out of the nba. The staff should be armed with these figures then weight what a degree is worth having to fall back on or a second or third year of development in college
 
two3zone said:
Willy Cauley Stein.
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Ok. You're right but others? You said more than I think but really how many. Is it 5 a year and considering 50 entet draft an only 30 can be 1st round that would be about 15%. Is it 1 a year, about 3%. Or is it like 2 every 5 years. It's kind of hard to convince a kid he has 15% chance of improving his 1st round selection by staying in school.
 
Bris is one player who will improve his position. He truly has a chance to be a lotto pick next year easily high first round. So having said that he will most definitely leave.
 
Cusefan78 said:
A millionaire doesn’t mean the same thing it did 10 years ago. You have to remember these kids have to pay agents, taxes, then buy a house, a car, hook up their friends and then you realize the million or two didn’t last all that long. It’s not about getting into the lottery and the guaranteed contract it’s all about the second contract. Most of these kids leave after a year and go down to g or d league and never are good enough to last in the nba. This is were the staff needs to hammer the facts into their skulls and disprove what agents and greedy family or friends are saying. How many second contracts have been signed by su players in the past ten years. How many of these kids are struggling or are out of the nba. The staff should be armed with these figures then weight what a degree is worth having to fall back on or a second or third year of development in college
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Rookie deals are 2 guaranteed, 3rd year team option. So of the eligible cuse players (Not Lydon or Malachai)

Mccullough has a team option upcoming (won't be exercised I'm sure)

Ennis signed a 2 year deal in July but 18-19 isn't guaranteed until July and that is up in the air

Grant will be getting paid this offseason

MCW has made over 10 million in the NBA and is currently on a 1yr/2.7M deal

Waiters has made over 19 million in the NBA and just signed a 4yr/52M deal

Wes Johnson has made over 20 million in the NBA and has a player option for 6.1 coming next summer.


So those who have left early? Doing pretty good.
 
two3zone said:
Not disagreeing with you. Buy you'd figure one out of 10 would stay. What's your view on what Lydon did last year?
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I feel that if there is guaranteed money on the table and an opportunity to play in a league that you've dreamed of playing in since a child that you have to go.

But I agree that it would be nice if one of these kids really enjoyed being here and kicked the money making opportunity down the road.
 
Cusefan78 said:
A millionaire doesn’t mean the same thing it did 10 years ago. You have to remember these kids have to pay agents, taxes, then buy a house, a car, hook up their friends and then you realize the million or two didn’t last all that long. It’s not about getting into the lottery and the guaranteed contract it’s all about the second contract. Most of these kids leave after a year and go down to g or d league and never are good enough to last in the nba. This is were the staff needs to hammer the facts into their skulls and disprove what agents and greedy family or friends are saying. How many second contracts have been signed by su players in the past ten years. How many of these kids are struggling or are out of the nba. The staff should be armed with these figures then weight what a degree is worth having to fall back on or a second or third year of development in college
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in the last 10 years, syracuse early entries have been
donte greene - no second contract; $5.1m career nba earnings
jonny flynn - no contract, but that is obviated by what was for all intents and purposes a career ending injury; $9.6m career nba earnings
wes johnson - on his 3rd contract; $26.5m career nba earnings with another $6m guaranteed for next year
dion waiters - on his 2nd contract; $30.8m career nba earnings with another $36m guaranteed over next three seasons
fab melo - no 2nd contract; $3.8m career nba earnings
mcw - played on his 2nd contract this past season; $12.7m career nba earnings with no guarantees for next season
jerami grant - this was the final year of his initial contract; will almost certainly get a 2nd; $4.2m career nba earnings
tyler ennis - on his 2nd contract; $6.5m career nba earnings with another $1.6m team option for next year
chris mccullough - rookie deal expired this season, 2018-19 team option not picked up, unlikely to get a 2nd; $3.8m career nba earnings
mal richardson - still on rookie deal; $2.9m career nba earnings with another $1.5m guaranteed next season
tyler lydon - still on rookie deal; $1.5m career nba earnings with another 1.8m guaranteed next season
collectively, that's 107.4m earned with another 46.9m in future guarantees

of the 11, only 7 have been eligible to get a 2nd contract. 4 of those 7 have done so. 2 more become eligible this year - jerami will get his & mccullough will not.
 
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moqui said:
in the last 10 years, syracuse early entries have been
donte greene - no second contract; $5.1m career nba earnings
jonny flynn - no contract, but that is obviated by what was for all intents and purposes a career ending injury; $9.6m career nba earnings
wes johnson - on his 3rd contract; $26.5m career nba earnings with another $6m guaranteed for next year
dion waiters - on his 2nd contract; $30.8m career nba earnings with another $36m guaranteed over next three seasons
fab melo - no 2nd contract; $3.8m career nba earnings
mcw - played on his 2nd contract this past season; $12.7m career nba earnings with no guarantees for next season
jerami grant - this was the final year of his initial contract; will almost certainly get a 2nd; $4.2m career nba earnings
tyler ennis - on his 2nd contract; $6.5m career nba earnings with another $1.6m team option for next year
chris mccullough - rookie deal expired this season, 2018-19 team option not picked up, unlikely to get a 2nd; $3.8m career nba earnings
mal richardson - still on rookie deal; $2.9m career nba earnings with another $1.5m guaranteed next season
tyler lydon - still on rookie deal; $1.5m career nba earnings with another 1.8m guaranteed next season
collectively, that's 107.4m earned with another 46.9m in future guarantees

of the 11, only 7 have been eligible to get a 2nd contract. 4 of those 7 have done so. 2 more become eligible this year - jerami will get his & mccullough will not.
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I wouldn’t sneeze at those numbers and if they had all stayed I’m not sure the numbers would be much higher.
 

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