I just want to remind everyone that UNC game planned

[RF2044]

Yeah weird that a QB struggled in his fist ever game. What's Dungey's excuse?

That he's injured.

That's the only explanation that makes any sense for why he's throwing so poorly.

 

[skurey]

That he's injured.

That's the only explanation that makes any sense for why he's throwing so poorly.

Agreed he's better than he has shown.

Which is another point in Tommy's favor.

 

[OrangeDW]

That he's injured.

That's the only explanation that makes any sense for why he's throwing so poorly.

Yup. And we all saw him throw the ball into the turf and hold his arm in pain against FSU.

 

[HtownOrange]

The emotional reaction would be starting a player just because he's a senior when he's visably struggled while the frosh just had a comeback victory and looked better.

Were you content with Dungey's play through the first drive of the second half? We were up 20-7 and looked like we were in control of the game.

I am not disputing that DeVito taking the reigns may be the right answer, I am only saying that too many people are making a knee jerk reaction what they saw in the moment and not what happens in practice, off the field, or knowing the players on a much deeper level than watching them in the Dome or on TV.

To your point, I agree, starting a kid simply because he is a senior is not a good thing, but Babers has been consistent and every position is open every week. Dungey has not yet been unseated. If you have proof that Dungey started merely because he is a senior, I will consider it, but I have not seen anyone on this board present such proof. Opinions do not count as proof unless it is the opinion of the coaching staff, who actually make the decisions.

 

[anomander]

About what? Arm strength? Tell me about all of Jeff George’s trophies.

Not that, that;s irrelevant.

Dungey's accuracy and it being on the WR's. He missed many more than 3 balls. It wasn't all on the WR's.

Devito may not be superior right now, but he isn't worse, and he most certainly is a better fit for this offense and that's not debatable.

 

[SoBeCuse]

We probably should be 6-0 but we found a way to lose to clemson and pitt.

Unc’s got great talent. Other things have completely derailed them.

Yeah but bottom 5 P5 is baloney. They have enough talent, at least with all hands on deck to beat a LOT of teams.

Found a way to lose to Clemson and Pitt? We couldn’t stop the run over and over. They mauled us there most of the 2H in those games.

 

[RF2044]

Agreed he's better than he has shown.

Which is another point in Tommy's favor.

This isn't a zero sum game. Tommy has led us to wins in tenuous situations against FSU and today against UNC. Our offense has been letting us down, and has probably prevented us from being 7-0.

Need to figure out a way to make the offense hum a bit more. Let's give TD more run, and if he falters, well -- then it is good experience for next year. But if he continues to perform, then he needs to get more PT at ED's expense.

Let's let it unfold organically -- there are countless examples of backup QBs coming in and performing well when the opposition hasn't game planned for them.

The above ^^^ said, I think we might need to make the transition unless Dungey rights the ship.

 

[Finwad32]

so what’s the debate, my point was he’s not superior right now? And I don’t recall anything about just 3 misses.

 

[longislandcuse]

Were you content with Dungey's play through the first drive of the second half? We were up 20-7 and looked like we were in control of the game.

I am not disputing that DeVito taking the reigns may be the right answer, I am only saying that too many people are making a knee jerk reaction what they saw in the moment and not what happens in practice, off the field, or knowing the players on a much deeper level than watching them in the Dome or on TV.

To your point, I agree, starting a kid simply because he is a senior is not a good thing, but Babers has been consistent and every position is open every week. Dungey has not yet been unseated. If you have proof that Dungey started merely because he is a senior, I will consider it, but I have not seen anyone on this board present such proof. Opinions do not count as proof unless it is the opinion of the coaching staff, who actually make the decisions.

I’m in the Sales business. Here’s my analogy for this situation:

If I hire someone to work for me who is a great guy, kills role plays and puts in the work yet can’t close, I’m not going to fire them immediately, but I’m not taking leads from the guy who can so they can have more at-bats.

 

[skurey]

This isn't a zero sum game. Tommy has led us to wins in tenuous situations against FSU and today against UNC. Our offense has been letting us down, and has probably prevented us from being 7-0.

Need to figure out a way to make the offense hum a bit more. Let's give TD more run, and if he falters, well -- then it is good experience for next year. But if he continues to perform, then he needs to get more PT at ED's expense.

Let's let it unfold organically -- there are countless examples of backup QBs coming in and performing well when the opposition hasn't game planned for them.

The above ^^^ said, I think we might need to make the transition unless Dungey rights the ship.

I think we have the potential to use Dungey in very creative and potentially rewarding ways. Instead of Johnson throwing a WR pass we can have Dungey out there doing it.

 

[SoBeCuse]

Our skill players aren’t going to run away from a lot of good teams. They aren’t going to juke, wiggle, get lots of YAC, break tackles, etc. Our backs aren’t going to run over good teams. We need Tommy to fit those throws into tight windows and anticipate the way Dungey can’t. Tommy I think is the right play moving forward.

 

[Finwad32]

I think we have the potential to use Dungey in very creative and potentially rewarding ways. Instead of Johnson throwing a WR pass we can have Dungey out there doing it.

This makes more sense. You can utilize the strengths of both for the betterment of the team. I think TD has earned some burn, but, my disagreement lies with a wholesale change. Right now.

 

[HtownOrange]

I’m in the Sales business. Here’s my analogy for this situation:

If I hire someone to work for me who is a great guy, kills role plays and puts in the work yet can’t close, I’m not going to fire them immediately, but I’m not taking leads from the guy who can so they can have more at-bats.

ED has delivered over the last three years. TD has delivered twice. There are many positives and negatives on both sides, take the information en toto and make a decision, that is what HCDB is paid for.

I have been in executive management positions and professional positions. You make the best choice you can based on all factors, not just the limited input from people that see less than 5% of the picture.* I've had many people tell me what decision to make and how to make a decision, while knowing they do not have the facts to make a decision and knowing they were flat out wrong at most times and spot on at other times. There are many factors that go into decision making.

*Players get 20 hours per week of practice, 1 hour is game time. This does not include weights, personal time in film, working with others and such, so we fans see less than 5% of what the coaches see.

 

[phil77]

The one that would’ve made us 4-3 if he finished? This is about Wins, no excuses.

If we are going to do that do we put 2 more losses up there with the FSU and UNC game that TD saved the game? OR nah?

 

[longislandcuse]

ED has delivered over the last three years. TD has delivered twice. There are many positives and negatives on both sides, take the information en toto and make a decision, that is what HCDB is paid for.

I have been in executive management positions and professional positions. You make the best choice you can based on all factors, not just the limited input from people that see less than 5% of the picture.* I've had many people tell me what decision to make and how to make a decision, while knowing they do not have the facts to make a decision and knowing they were flat out wrong at most times and spot on at other times. There are many factors that go into decision making.

*Players get 20 hours per week of practice, 1 hour is game time. This does not include weights, personal time in film, working with others and such, so we fans see less than 5% of what the coaches see.

I’m just saying that I’ve had salespeople work for me who were reliable, always on time, crisp wordtracks, killed role plays, gave effort but couldn’t close. I saw all the behind the scenes, but at the end of the day, results matter.

I’d like nothing more than Dungey to heal up and be the QB we know he is, but until that happens, we need to go with the guy giving us results.

 

[Finwad32]

If we are going to do that do we put 2 more losses up there with the FSU and UNC game that TD saved the game? OR nah?

You don’t think ED could’ve gotten 7 in the last 3 drives today? He avg’s 2.66 a drive over 88... I’d lay that.

And fla st, the game we were winning when he left?

Even if worst case, sure, it’s still 4-3. Doesn’t sound like clear cut superiority to me.

 

[anomander]

You don’t think ED could’ve gotten 7 in the last 3 drives today? He avg’s 2.66 a drive over 88... I’d lay that.

And fla st, the game we were winning when he left?

Even if worst case, sure, it’s still 4-3. Doesn’t sound like clear cut superiority to me.

Fine if were played this they'd be 6-1 if Devito had played. Would have lost WMU, but won FSU and Pitt. This game is fun

 

[Trueblue25]

Yeah but bottom 5 P5 is baloney. They have enough talent, at least with all hands on deck to beat a LOT of teams.

Found a way to lose to Clemson and Pitt? We couldn’t stop the run over and over. They mauled us there most of the 2H in those games.

I was responding to the post saying unc should be 4-2. I am not going to agree that they’re a 4-2 calibre team, that’d be like arguing we’re a 6-0 team.

We’re better than UNC and we were home. Dungey did not have his stuff today, Devito should have been in mid way through the 3rd. Thats where I’ll leave it for the night.

 

[HtownOrange]

If we are going to do that do we put 2 more losses up there with the FSU and UNC game that TD saved the game? OR nah?

I think you prove my point. The coaches made the changes as necessary. They are responsible and the get paid for it. Being armchair coaches is easy, we are always right and develop hypotheticals to prove our point, yet, the reality is that we do not get paid for it and HCDB and staff do. They see the kids day in and day out and see what is going on. They are privy to information that cannot legally be released to us unless the kid wants it out there. The have information regarding opponents that we do not have, analysis that we do not have, the list goes on.

To your point specifically, I stated previously that the level of analysis must be identical between the two (different words, same point). Thus, I agree, if you want to take one set of stats, you must include all like stats in the equation for both (or all in cases like DBs and WRs) when making decisions.

Once again, DeVito may be the right choice to start, I have only been stating that knee jerk reactions (emotions) are not a sound basis for making changes. I love the win. However, I think there is more to EDs tale of two halves. (But that is a different thread)

 

[Finwad32]

Fine if were played this they'd be 6-1 if Devito had played. Would have lost WMU, but won FSU and Pitt. This game is fun

Lol, you mean 5-2? Or was Tommy Tuddies beating Clemson in DV?

 

[anomander]

Lol, you mean 5-2? Or was Tommy Tuddies beating Clemson in DV?

Yes, he wouldn't have 1 hopped it to Nykeim the last drive.

 

[Finwad32]

I think you prove my point. The coaches made the changes as necessary. They are responsible and the get paid for it. Being armchair coaches is easy, we are always right and develop hypotheticals to prove our point, yet, the reality is that we do not get paid for it and HCDB and staff do. They see the kids day in and day out and see what is going on. They are privy to information that cannot legally be released to us unless the kid wants it out there. The have information regarding opponents that we do not have, analysis that we do not have, the list goes on.

To your point specifically, I stated previously that the level of analysis must be identical between the two (different words, same point). Thus, I agree, if you want to take one set of stats, you must include all like stats in the equation for both (or all in cases like DBs and WRs) when making decisions.

Once again, DeVito may be the right choice to start, I have only been stating that knee jerk reactions (emotions) are not a sound basis for making changes. I love the win. However, I think there is more to EDs tale of two halves. (But that is a different thread)

A sound voice throughout. Rationale has meant nothing in HT City.

 

[OrangeDW]

You don’t think ED could’ve gotten 7 in the last 3 drives today? He avg’s 2.66 a drive over 88... I’d lay that.

And fla st, the game we were winning when he left?

Even if worst case, sure, it’s still 4-3. Doesn’t sound like clear cut superiority to me.

Reality is Eric has thrown for 1 TD in ACC play. Yes, he’s run for some. But 1 passing TD in 4 games isn’t going to get it done. That’s Terrell Hunt/RJ Anderson production, and this team isn’t really built to win with a Hunt/Anderson. We need to be able to throw the ball.

 

[Finwad32]

Yes, he wouldn't have 1 hopped it to Nykeim the last drive.

You got a tattoo yet?

 

[Dinkyspond]

That he's injured.

That's the only explanation that makes any sense for why he's throwing so poorly.

I just don't think Dino would let a QB with an injured throwing shoulder play in a pass happy offense not to mention with the RPO.
. I just don't think it's an injury. He looked fine on that bomb to Custis during the first series of the 2nd half.