I learned to say that SU S&C is subpar/

[SUDadx2]

Too bad you didn’t just ask for the information. You took pot shots at SU and made claims without know the facts. Your last sentence in one post, “Is Syracuse waiting for a tragic event to justify putting mental health services in the athletic department?”, was particular poor.

It was intended to get your attention.

It's a shame the information isn't readily available. Why should someone have to post on a fan forum to get the information?

 

[CuseLegacy]

It was intended to get your attention.

It's a shame the information isn't readily available. Why should someone have to post on a fan forum to get the information?

But it is readily available. And I'm sure that the students know exactly where to find it.

 

[SUDadx2]

But it is readily available. And I'm sure that the students know exactly where to find it.

Unfortunately, that is not accurate. I know a student-athlete who did not know.

As I stated, I'm aware of services at Barnes, I was asking about services dedicated for athletes and was unable to find it. It would be helpful if this information were cross referenced in the Athletic Department Directory.

Thanks for helping.

 

[CuseLegacy]

Unfortunately, that is not accurate. I know a student-athlete who did not know.

As I stated, I'm aware of services at Barnes, I was asking about services dedicated for athletes and was unable to find it. It would be helpful if this information were cross referenced in the Athletic Department Directory.

Thanks for helping.

But I don't believe that there needs to be mental health services dedicated specifically for the athletes. I feel that it much more important that SU provides mental health professionals with a variety of backgrounds and specializations which is what they are doing at Barnes. This enables the student, athlete or not, to choose with whom they wish to discuss their concerns.

 

[SUDadx2]

But I don't believe that there needs to be mental health services dedicated specifically for the athletes. I feel that it much more important that SU provides mental health professionals with a variety of backgrounds and specializations which is what they are doing at Barnes. This enables the student, athlete or not, to choose with whom they wish to discuss their concerns.

We can agree to disagree. The stressors that student athletes experience are unique.

This isn't to suggest any services available in Barnes should be less.


Here is information about the type of programs I'm hopeful every student athlete will be able to access one day.

Crawford Family WHOLE Student-Athlete Program - University of Colorado Athletics

University of Colorado Athletics

cubuffs.com

 

[sufandu]

I’ve never had much confidence in Nutritionists. The industry seems to be just so across the board. I’ve witnessed some pretty odd interactions with nutritionists. I’m sure there a good ones and bad ones.

Well, there is a difference between a nutrutionist and a registered dietitian. Someone can call themselves a nutritionist without being credentialed.

 

[All4SU]

Well, there is a difference between a nutrutionist and a registered dietitian. Someone can call themselves a nutritionist without being credentialed.

Good to know.

 

[rrlbees]

Unfortunately, that is not accurate. I know a student-athlete who did not know.

As I stated, I'm aware of services at Barnes, I was asking about services dedicated for athletes and was unable to find it. It would be helpful if this information were cross referenced in the Athletic Department Directory.

Thanks for helping.

Obviously there was something missed in communication. All students, athletes or not, are made aware of the various student services available to them including the Barnes Center.

 

[007]

Obviously there was something missed in communication. All students, athletes or not, are made aware of the various student services available to them including the Barnes Center.

My understanding is that there is at least one full-time therapist available exclusively to SU athletes. That person is housed at Manley to increase accessibility to the athletes.

 

[NJCuse97]

It was intended to get your attention.

It's a shame the information isn't readily available.

Didn’t we have a student athlete attack and stab another teammate or three at a BBQ on South Campus during Shafer’s time? Hasn’t Wildhack made mental health something of a platform for his AD?

I think our attention is on the right things. I think services like this provided all students can be considered as serving athletes too, as is with things like classes.

 

[oldpinepoint]

In general this country does a horrible
Job with mental health. It’s shunned and looked down upon if you need mental health services. There absolutely should be a mental health professional dedicated to athletics and only athletics. Athletes and normal student body aren’t remotely similar. The professional should be located in the athletic center for discreet services. Just my opinion

 

[rrlbees]

In general this country does a horrible
Job with mental health. It’s shunned and looked down upon if you need mental health services. There absolutely should be a mental health professional dedicated to athletics and only athletics. Athletes and normal student body aren’t remotely similar. The professional should be located in the athletic center for discreet services. Just my opinion

Those that are dedicated to athletics do go to Manley and while I don’t know about today, I believe there was also a satellite office on south campus.

 

[dollarbill44]

But it’s so much more than this. How and when you eat things has critical impact on performance

Of some import, yes. Critical? No.

 

[dollarbill44]

Food and nutrition are about 70% and liftiing and speed work are 30%. Can’t feed a race car bad gas and same with these high end athletes. Should be drinking Protein shake right after morning workout followed bye egg omelette with broccoli and cheese and fruit. 2.5 to 3 hrs later u need lean turkey burgers or grass fed beef low fat. 2.5 hrs after another shake plus some fruit. Around 6 pm or so last heavy meal with chicken or fish,not farm raised fish either, broccoli or some other low inflammation veges. If ya want to be lean u can have a shake before bed and if u want good weight add another protein meal with some clean carbs like brown rice or my favorite sweat potatoes. Obviously this can vary a huge amount. Just like the s+c coaches should know each individuals weaknesses and makes them strengths, the nutritionist should know each kids good foods and bad foods and capitalize on what they and s+c coaches want each kid to do. ie gain weight in pure muscle or lean muscle or even just gain strength and stay at same weight.

Add a lot of fermented vegetables. Kraut, kimchi, etc.

 

[kirbivore]

Obviously there was something missed in communication. All students, athletes or not, are made aware of the various student services available to them including the Barnes Center.

 

[SUDadx2]

As another football season begins, a mental health crisis gnaws at the fabric of college sports

Four college athletes have died by suicide since the start of 2022

www.cbssports.com

 

[Ozone!]

Mental health and nutrition are very important to both student athletes and ROTC students. Both groups exert higher levels of exertion than most students. Those 2 groups need specific national and mental health guidelines. Each sport requires different types of development and thus also different types of nutritional support. I school like Syracuse could draw from its graduate students in both nutritional and mental health giving the graduate students an area of speciality with supervision, in part, coming from professors in those fields. A win/win!
Since I am a former employee at the university who worked with both ROTC students and student althletes ,in all sports, I know this is doable.!

 

[dollarbill44]

Mental health and nutrition are very important to both student athletes and ROTC students. Both groups exert higher levels of exertion than most students. Those 2 groups need specific national and mental health guidelines. Each sport requires different types of development and thus also different types of nutritional support. I school like Syracuse could draw from its graduate students in both nutritional and mental health giving the graduate students an area of speciality with supervision, in part, coming from professors in those fields. A win/win!
Since I am a former employee at the university who worked with both ROTC students and student althletes ,in all sports, I know this is doable.!

I went through the Army ROTC at SU, as well as working 10-20 hours a week for all 4 years. I never felt that my mental health was stressed more than anyone else's. In fact, i feel like I was better able to handle stress than my non-ROTC friends. I strived to be like water.
As a professional in the business, do you feel that the constant awareness of mental health might actually be self-fulfilling? I'm actually curious about this. I have 3 young adult children and they all seem to be bundles of anxiety and have difficulty coping with issues that my wife and I consider to be normal adult situations. Their friends seem to have similar difficulties, as well.

It's definitely a fine line between over analyzing and under-diagnosing/ treating as mental health is obviously a big problem nowadays. But there is a part of me that thinks some of the issues might be created or exascerbated by the mere suggestion that everyone is more stressed. I definitely think smartphones and social media are part of the problem, as I type this on my phone.

 

[qdawgg]

I went through the Army ROTC at SU, as well as working 10-20 hours a week for all 4 years. I never felt that my mental health was stressed more than anyone else's. In fact, i feel like I was better able to handle stress than my non-ROTC friends. I strived to be like water.
As a professional in the business, do you feel that the constant awareness of mental health might actually be self-fulfilling? I'm actually curious about this. I have 3 young adult children and they all seem to be bundles of anxiety and have difficulty coping with issues that my wife and I consider to be normal adult situations. Their friends seem to have similar difficulties, as well.

It's definitely a fine line between over analyzing and under-diagnosing/ treating as mental health is obviously a big problem nowadays. But there is a part of me that thinks some of the issues might be created or exascerbated by the mere suggestion that everyone is more stressed. I definitely think smartphones and social media are part of the problem, as I type this on my phone.

Don’t take this the wrong way but I think part of what you’re saying is, I was able to do this very stressful situation without having anxiety and other stressors. I think applying the logic of how we personally react to situations and assuming everyone else can do that is part of the problem with understanding mental health. It’s possible you can’t relate at all and that’s okay. The difference I think is understanding that not everyone reacts to the same situation the same way OR assuming similar situations in different times periods are in fact similar.

I get what you’re saying though. I went to college and went out in the real world. Then with a wife/house and 10 yrs in a well paying career decided to go back to college full time to get a degree in job very difficult to get in and half the pay I was making. And while I was stressed all the time I was able to personally deal with it. I also realize some people wouldn’t be able to.

 

[tep624]

If you consider proper nutrition is part of proper strength and conditioning, then according to our own players it is subpar

They get McDonald’s 3 times a day like most college kids. It’s the definition of proper

 

[Ozone!]

I went through the Army ROTC at SU, as well as working 10-20 hours a week for all 4 years. I never felt that my mental health was stressed more than anyone else's. In fact, i feel like I was better able to handle stress than my non-ROTC friends. I strived to be like water.
As a professional in the business, do you feel that the constant awareness of mental health might actually be self-fulfilling? I'm actually curious about this. I have 3 young adult children and they all seem to be bundles of anxiety and have difficulty coping with issues that my wife and I consider to be normal adult situations. Their friends seem to have similar difficulties, as well.

It's definitely a fine line between over analyzing and under-diagnosing/ treating as mental health is obviously a big problem nowadays. But there is a part of me that thinks some of the issues might be created or exascerbated by the mere suggestion that everyone is more stressed. I definitely think smartphones and social media are part of the problem, as I type this on my phone.

Good for you for your success and as you point out we are from a different generation than current students.
This generation has less of some of our issues and more of others

I went through the Army ROTC at SU, as well as working 10-20 hours a week for all 4 years. I never felt that my mental health was stressed more than anyone else's. In fact, i feel like I was better able to handle stress than my non-ROTC friends. I strived to be like water.
As a professional in the business, do you feel that the constant awareness of mental health might actually be self-fulfilling? I'm actually curious about this. I have 3 young adult children and they all seem to be bundles of anxiety and have difficulty coping with issues that my wife and I consider to be normal adult situations. Their friends seem to have similar difficulties, as well.

It's definitely a fine line between over analyzing and under-diagnosing/ treating as mental health is obviously a big problem nowadays. But there is a part of me that thinks some of the issues might be created or exascerbated by the mere suggestion that everyone is more stressed. I definitely think smartphones and social media are part of the problem, as I type this on my phone.

Bill,
I here you and each generation has it’s challenges, as you know.
I wouldn’t have originally commented on this thread if it was not a student athlete who raised this issue.

If I was still at the university and not retired from there; I would have encouraged the student athlete to raise his concerns within the team and to also ask the student-athlete advisory group to look into it.

As far as ROTC and student veterans, two additional groups I worked with there are numerous issues that often go unaddressed. For student veterans, it was often The Veterans Administration that was more concerned about their image than doing the right thing by a vet.

I am not advocating for separate mental health practitioners for ROTC and student veterans but for professionals with experience in helping folks within the military culture when a regular mental health professional is not sufficient.

As far as football is concerned, Syracuse must endeavor to have programs and services that are in alignment with our competition, at this point, other ACC schools.

Syracuse has many in-house options for provision of these services if creative planning is utilized.

I am not calling out anyone who is in Athletics; however, we don’t know what we don’t know. Back to the beginning of this thread, it was a student athlete concern and when appropriate concerns go unaddressed, good players transfer!

 

[SuFTW]

Don’t take this the wrong way but I think part of what you’re saying is, I was able to do this very stressful situation without having anxiety and other stressors. I think applying the logic of how we personally react to situations and assuming everyone else can do that is part of the problem with understanding mental health. It’s possible you can’t relate at all and that’s okay. The difference I think is understanding that not everyone reacts to the same situation the same way OR assuming similar situations in different times periods are in fact similar.

I get what you’re saying though. I went to college and went out in the real world. Then with a wife/house and 10 yrs in a well paying career decided to go back to college full time to get a degree in job very difficult to get in and half the pay I was making. And while I was stressed all the time I was able to personally deal with it. I also realize some people wouldn’t be able to.

I think what he is saying is that there is so much “awareness” and information out there now that some people are labeling themselves as having certain issues or anxieties and they make it a self fulfilling self diagnosis which in turn makes them unable to grow beyond the normal experiences we all face. I have personally seen this. Obviously this does not apply to everyone and every situation.

 

[Ozone!]

I think what he is saying is that there is so much “awareness” and information out there now that some people are labeling themselves as having certain issues or anxieties and they make it a self fulfilling self diagnosis which in turn makes them unable to grow beyond the normal experiences we all face. I have personally seen this. Obviously this does not apply to everyone and every situation.

I get what he is saying; does that mean we don’t listen to our students and ask clarifying questions to get to the heart of what they are saying?
Certainly there are folks who feel entitled and yet, in my view, each student should be given a fair hearing for their issues. Do I believe we should hold individuals accountable for actions they took many years ago; not unless the pattern continues.
The blame game is often a way to avoid personal responsibility!

 

[qdawgg]

I think what he is saying is that there is so much “awareness” and information out there now that some people are labeling themselves as having certain issues or anxieties and they make it a self fulfilling self diagnosis which in turn makes them unable to grow beyond the normal experiences we all face. I have personally seen this. Obviously this does not apply to everyone and every situation.

Don’t want to turn this into a lifetime channel special but I think the % of students who label themselves a certain diagnosis merely b/c we’re more aware of things, is such a small % and yet that’s what people sometimes focus on. There’s other scenarios where we focus on the small % and then that turns into the whole picture.

 

[SuFTW]

Don’t want to turn this into a lifetime channel special but I think the % of students who label themselves a certain diagnosis merely b/c we’re more aware of things, is such a small % and yet that’s what people sometimes focus on. There’s other scenarios where we focus on the small % and then that turns into the whole picture.

I don’t think it is “such a small %”, but the possibility shouldn’t diminish real diagnoses. It’s also a matter of degree.