I think a lot of people not reading this board think the Uni was involved in a coverup

[Orangemen]

Just spoke with a smart guy here at work. I talked about the past investigations, and his response was that the university still could have been involved in a cover up.

If smart people think that, then what does everyone else think?

I really believe JB needs to be front and center today on a number of high profile shows. His side of the story is not getting out there.

Based on what everyone else seems to believe, I'm not suprised they're calling for his head.

Based on what I believe is the actual story, I think firing him for this would be absurd.

JB is the only one who can turn this tide, he's gotta get out there.

 

[cusetown1]

No way Cantor would stand for that, no way. There was no cover up, but a ton of misinformation.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I don't think anyone really knows for sure right now, maybe some do but most have no idea.. I still say this is far from being reported as not "covered up" I know people want to hang their hat on this so that we all feel that SU will be OK, the issue is we just don't know right now

 

[Cusefan95]

...and this is the cost to the University if they fire JB - it will further convince low information observers that JB/SU "knew".

 

[cusetown1]

I don't think anyone really knows for sure right now, maybe some do but most have no idea.. I still say this is far from being reported as not "covered up"

Any guesses on which party is covering up?

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Any guesses on which party is covering up?

No, I don't but nothing would surprise me at this point, nothing. We are one bad piece of evidence from this turning into a complete and I mean a complete storm, whcih will hurt the University for a years... not just the basketball program.

 

[mountaincuse]

Any guesses on which party is covering up?

Everybody is in CYA mode at the moment.

If I had one guess I would say the DA's office (at this point with this wacked story it seems logical).

 

[Noexcuse]

I don't think anyone really knows for sure right now, maybe some do but most have no idea.. I still say this is far from being reported as not "covered up" I know people want to hang their hat on this so that we all feel that SU will be OK, the issue is we just don't know right now

But there is nothing out there right now that suggests a cover-up on the University's part other than public opinion. It seems they performed due diligence in 2005 and have been forthcoming in the current investigation. They also acted quickly with respect to BF, first putting him on administrative leave and then firing hi.

 

[cusetown1]

No, I don't but nothing would surprise me at this point, nothing. We are one bad piece of evidence from this turning into a complete and I mean a complete **** storm, whcih will hurt the University for a years... not just the basketball program.

True, but I also think some of the evidence gathered will also help in the next few weeks. just a guess

 

[longislandcuse]

At the barber shop yesterday some guy said "wow, this is worse than PSU"...:bang:

PSU was sick and twisted and tragic.

No doubt what BF did was sick, but no way is it PSU level, however America loves a good scandal and my, oh my do we have one. PSU made you want to throw up, ours is something from the tabloids.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

At the barber shop yesterday some guy said "wow, this is worse than PSU"...:bang:

PSU was sick and twisted and tragic.

No doubt what BF did was sick, but no way is it PSU level, however America loves a good scandal and my, oh my do we have one. PSU made you want to throw up, ours is something from the tabloids.

agree, good way to put it, sex and money

 

[Upstate]

It'll all depend on what the investigations earlier in the 2000s have in them.

 

[RF2044]

Just spoke with a smart guy here at work. I talked about the past investigations, and his response was that the university still could have been involved in a cover up.

If smart people think that, then what does everyone else think?

I really believe JB needs to be front and center today on a number of high profile shows. His side of the story is not getting out there.

Based on what everyone else seems to believe, I'm not suprised they're calling for his head.

Based on what I believe is the actual story, I think firing him for this would be absurd.

JB is the only one who can turn this tide, he's gotta get out there.

A couple of things. First of all, there was bound to be a backlash today in the sports media. Much of the feisty sensationalism is going to focus on segments of the facts, without presenting them in entirety. In a couple of days, the sports media will move on and focus on something else. Or, if they continue to talk / write about this, as they craft their logic they will not just take a cursory look at the information that's out there, and by digging into things more substantively, which will actually reflect better on Boeheim than what many believe.

Two, on the continuum of things that could have resulted in this being "bad" for Syracuse University, today's sports media reaction is pretty mild. On one extreme end of the spectrum we would have had JB getting his pink slip right along with Bernie, which would likely have had a ripple effect with the class of 2012 recruits [mind you, this could still happen--but so far it hasn't] decommitting. On the other end, we have Bernie fired--which enables both JB and the University to distance themselves from him, and Davis coming out expressing his belief that Boeheim didn't know about what was happening to him. Boeheim taking some flack from the sports media isn't a big deal from a big picture perspective.

Third, the absolute last thing I want is JB out there talking to the sports media today. He's already on thin ice, and this is not the time for improvisation around what he's saying / how he's responding to pointed questions from a partially informed media that smells blood in the water. Make no mistake: that statement that was issued last night was probably crafted by University legal representation, vetted through the Chancellor, etc. Every word in that statement was carefully chosen, and whether some find the statement disappointing or insufficient in some capacity, it was exactly the type of measured response that the University needed, to dovetail with the message that Cantor sent out later.

 

[NKR1978]

No, I don't but nothing would surprise me at this point, nothing. We are one bad piece of evidence from this turning into a complete and I mean a complete **** storm, whcih will hurt the University for a years... not just the basketball program.

I am genuinely concerned that some SU grad at ESPN decided to hold on to the tape, and that there's some e-mail to an SID at SU informing of the existence of the tape and that SU buried its head.

Less than 5% chance I actually believe this happened, but like you said, nothing would surprise me.

 

[longislandcuse]

Does SU having a million grads in broadcasting help us at all lol? Im guessing no, since I heard Craig Carton was freaking out this morning.

 

[orangecuse]

No, I don't but nothing would surprise me at this point, nothing. We are one bad piece of evidence from this turning into a complete and I mean a complete **** storm, whcih will hurt the University for a years... not just the basketball program.

Well, imo, there's no way Cantor and the current administration covered up anything, she wouldn't had come out with her letter last night putting her own reputation in complete jeopardy. Now, whether the past -get a life- chancellor or administrator knew anything...well who knows..

 

[alibrat66]

Just spoke with a smart guy here at work. I talked about the past investigations, and his response was that the university still could have been involved in a cover up.

If smart people think that, then what does everyone else think?

I really believe JB needs to be front and center today on a number of high profile shows. His side of the story is not getting out there.

Based on what everyone else seems to believe, I'm not suprised they're calling for his head.

Based on what I believe is the actual story, I think firing him for this would be absurd.

JB is the only one who can turn this tide, he's gotta get out there.

This is just speculation, but the BS&K investigation, once it's released to the public, could be the wild card here. BS&K, in this instance, given that they are/were paid by SU, might end up being viewed in the same light as Fitch, Moody's, S&P, etc. that rated the SIVs, CDOs, et al AAA to hold on to their clients who had put that worthless junk together and sold them to unsuspecting pension funds and other investors: keeping their clients happy, thus insuring the fat fees kept coming, was more important than telling the unvarnished truth. If so, BS&K and SU will take the hard fall.

Time will tell.

 

[pearl31]

This is just speculation, but the BS&K investigation, once it's released to the public, could be the wild card here. BS&K, in this instance, given that they are/were paid by SU, might end up being viewed in the same light as Fitch, Moody's, S&P, etc. that rated the SIVs, CDOs, et al AAA to hold on to their clients who had put that worthless junk together and sold them to unsuspecting pension funds and other investors: keeping their clients happy, thus insuring the fat fees kept coming, was more important than telling the unvarnished truth. If so, BS&K and SU will take the hard fall.

Time will tell.

Good point and well stated.

 

[bnoro]

On one extreme end of the spectrum we would have had JB getting his pink slip right along with Bernie, which would likely have had a ripple effect with the class of 2012 recruits [mind you, this could still happen--but so far it hasn't] decommitting.

Both recruits signed their LOI's. Can't decommit.

 

[grepal]

I beleive there were lies told to the investigators who took and reported them to Cantor and the rest of the administration who took them for the truth. Now, whether or not more digging could or should have been done it is entirely possible that upon hearing the good news that the accusers were not telling the truth and Fine was not a pedophile everyone sighed in relief and decided that the investigation was thorough enough. After all, they are only human and no one wants a story like this one to be true.

 

[orangecuse]

I beleive there were lies told to the investigators who took and reported them to Cantor and the rest of the administration who took them for the truth. Now, whether or not more digging could or should have been done it is entirely possible that upon hearing the good news that the accusers were nott elling the truth and Fine was not a pedophile everyone sighed in relief and decided that the investigation was thorough enough. After all, theya re only human and no one wants a story like this one to be true.

Complete inuendo on your behalf. All investigations, no matter what the type, are only as good as what the facts reveal, proving othewise in regards to one's character, becomes one of complete credibility...

 

[RF2044]

Both recruits signed their LOI's. Can't decommit.

LOIs aren't binding if there is a coaching change.

 

[grepal]

This is just speculation, but the BS&K investigation, once it's released to the public, could be the wild card here. BS&K, in this instance, given that they are/were paid by SU, might end up being viewed in the same light as Fitch, Moody's, S&P, etc. that rated the SIVs, CDOs, et al AAA to hold on to their clients who had put that worthless junk together and sold them to unsuspecting pension funds and other investors: keeping their clients happy, thus insuring the fat fees kept coming, was more important than telling the unvarnished truth. If so, BS&K and SU will take the hard fall

If this is so I have a hard time tying SU into "taking the hard fall" unless our administration direected the law firm to make this go away. If anything like that happened then SU gets what it deserved. If SU had nothing to do with this, was not covering anything up, and had no reason to expect the allegations against Fine were true Cantor, Gross, Boeheim, and SU can not be allowed to take a hit. Everybody was fooled. If you work or belong to a large organization eventually someone will shock you when knowledge of their perverse "double life" comes out. In my personal life I worked at a law firm once where it turned out our receptionist was an escort. I work at a school now and it turned out one of our counselors was a street walker. In both cases no one knew until their name hit the police blotter. In my church a deacon who was married and a father to three beautiful young children stood up one day and announced to the congregation that he was sorry to have mislead us, but that he is gay and has been living a double life, lying to his wife and friends for years. Being a member of each organization does not mean I condone escorts, prostitutes, and lying to a spouse by leading a double life, but in each case all of us involved felt some level of discomfort or embarrassment. In spite of the discomfort and embarrassment no one in the organization, and no individual but those directly involved took any kind of a "hit" at all.

It's one thing if Bernie and his wife had serious marital problems, gossip fodder, sure, but certainly nowhere near the category of child abuse or pedophelia. Bernie and Lori Fine will hopefully get their due in a courthouse, publicly most of us have already tried them in our own minds.

 

[All4SU]

A couple of things. First of all, there was bound to be a backlash today in the sports media. Much of the feisty sensationalism is going to focus on segments of the facts, without presenting them in entirety. In a couple of days, the sports media will move on and focus on something else. Or, if they continue to talk / write about this, as they craft their logic they will not just take a cursory look at the information that's out there, and by digging into things more substantively, which will actually reflect better on Boeheim than what many believe.

The problem out there is that the average Joe is already sick and tired of the story. They are saturated, and will not absorb a whole lot more on the subject. They have made up their minds.

 

[bnoro]

LOIs aren't binding if there is a coaching change.

Are you sure about this? I thought they were binding so a coach couldn't take players with him...