I think there is a little over reaction

[Marsh01]

Yes we played probably our poorest game on the offensive end tonight but In reality had we just made some layups we would have won by 15-20 points.

I expected a little bit of a hangover after Florida. I expect us to come out much sharper on Saturday.

 

[iommi]

Yes, but our lack of a post presence is disturbing. We have no back to the basket game and don't seem to try to develop that part of the game at all.

 

[orangehomer]

Yes, but our lack of a post presence is disturbing. We have no back to the basket game and down seem to try to develop that part of the game at all.

name 5 college players for legit teams that have an effective, and meaningful, back to the basket game. i am not ruling it out, but i have not seen it so far this year from anyone. except maybe sullinger.

 

[Marsh01]

Yes, but our lack of a post presence is disturbing. We have no back to the basket game and down seem to try to develop that part of the game at all.

I agree. Unfortunately there isn't a guy on the roster who can fill that role this season.

 

[iommi]

name 5 college players for legit teams that have an effective, and meaningful, back to the basket game. i am not ruling it out, but i have not seen it so far this year from anyone. except maybe sullinger.

Carolina, Kentucky, Ohio State of the top of my head...all feed the post and have guys who play well inside.

 

[orangehomer]

Carolina, Kentucky, Ohio State of the top of my head...all feed the post and have guys who play well inside.

i gave you sullinger, but if you watch kentucky they are more of a slasher team, they aren't exactly posting guys up. north carolina has tons of size, but from what i have seen none of those guys are just flat out posting people up and abusing them under the basket. it's early, maybe that will change.

 

[bleeding orange]

We won... again... Go Cuse!!! Even when we had Jackson last year we rarely fed him the ball in the post. He could have easily averaged 22 a night and in turn averaged 14. In this offense we just seem to choose not to. I have seen all of the teams mentioned above and I will say the only one I like better than us right now is Ohio St. I think we have 8 guys who on any given night can go for double figures and it does get spread around. I too would love to see a little more post play just because I think Fab is a pretty good passer. Our shooters would have an opportunity to step into some good looks or make a few backdoor cuts while people are focused on the 7 foot goon with the ball.

 

[iommi]

Kentucky has davis..he's a beast and Carolina's bigs can play...especially Henson, but I do see your point.

 

[The General]

Zeller is UNC's post scoring. Henson, a shot blocker. Sullinger, unreal, Davis developing.

Point is, compared to most teams, we are fine. Compared to the 3 best, we are missing something.

We can win it all anyway but it would be nice if wr could at least drop it down to Melo once in awhile.

 

[Mark Joe]

name 5 college players for legit teams that have an effective, and meaningful, back to the basket game. i am not ruling it out, but i have not seen it so far this year from anyone. except maybe sullinger.

Having inside moves and being able to generate offense is the point.

UNC (Henson, Zeller) , Duke (Plumlee boys), Ohio St (Sullinger), Kentucky (Davis, Jones), Baylor (Jones, Miller, Acey), and Kansas (Robinson) for starters have a post presence. Hows that for a start? I don't know the other teams good enough to add more to the list just yet

 

[orangecuse]

Yeah, as mentioned, there are not many elite back to the basket post up guys out there, so I don't see it as a major deterent. One thing that stood out tonight was how we just got crushed on the boards in the second half...

 

[Jasoncuse]

What with the constant talk about some hangover after the UF game? That's just an excuse. They didn't play UF last night or even the night before. They had 4 nights to get over that win, including the weekend. The problem wasn't some non-existent hangover from a recent game. Instead, the team's weaknesses were all on display at once tonight. Outside shooting, a lack of an interior game and a half court game that leaves a lot to be desired have all hurt us at various times this year. Tonight they all did, along with sloppy play in fastbreak situations and a great effort on the boards by the opponent. We have to hope the team doesn't play this poorly in most phases of the game too often, or we'll see some ugly losses at some point this year.

I'm particularly concerned about outside shooting and getting good, clean shots outside of the break. It's been a struggle for two years now and doesn't seem to be getting much better. Limiting the rushed shots, wild jumpers and aimless drives would make the offense much better, but I think we have to live with those errors.

 

[jimsonjunction]

Honestly, I think this team just got a little lazy on offense because they were so confident in their defense. There was no way Marshall was going to come back... our defense was just too suffocating. A couple other teams in the country have a legit post-up game, but I think we can defend it as well as anyone.

 

[The General]

Honestly, I think this team just got a little lazy on offense because they were so confident in their defense. There was no way Marshall was going to come back... our defense was just too suffocating. A couple other teams in the country have a legit post-up game, but I think we can defend it as well as anyone.

It ain't about defending it.

The best teams can SCORE from the post. We can still win it. But we will have to overcome this.

In '03 it didnt matter, we had Melo. Uconn had Kemba. Hell we could dump it down to Otis in '96. We apparantly have no interest in feeding the post this year. Good coaches will adjust and make all our J's and drives contested. We aint that athletic that we can just impose our will.

 

[Czar]

It ain't about defending it.

The best teams can SCORE from the post. We can still win it. But we will have to overcome this.

In '03 it didnt matter, we had Melo. Uconn had Kemba. Hell we could dump it down to Otis in '96. We apparantly have no interest in feeding the post this year. Good coaches will adjust and make all our J's and drives contested. We aint that athletic that we can just impose our will.

Wait, what? Since when the is Kemba Walker a post player?

 

[orangefan13]

Yeah Sullinger has a back to the basket game but against Keita and Melo it will be tougher to use. Besides post scoring can be overated it can lead to three offensive fouls in 15-20 minutes of play any given night. Pulling up for a jumper never will lead to that.

We didn't have post scoring with Flynn a few years back. We ran baseline and low post dishes.
Offensive boards and efficiency help get rid of the need for post scoring. Uconn won it all without a post presence last year.

We shot 17% from three and 40% from the field against florida.
We shot 27% from three and 41% from the field against Marshall.
Efficiency is the problem right now not balence.

Back in 03 Hak gave us alittle bit of a post game but not much. Melos was off the dribble more.

This team has a nice combination of isolation and non isolation scorers. Its just those guys have to get better at it as the season goes along.

KJO Dion have to get better in isolation and James, CJ, need to find consistancy at spotting up. I like Triche as our open shooter and 3rd isolation threat.

Also Agree though Melo even developing some isolation would be nice. A huge advantage.

Even more, Rak and Southerlands rebounding against teams like UNC and UK with legit PF's would be nice to have. Expecting Fair to guard someone like Anthony Davis isn't the best of ideas. I haven't even mentioned MCW and his Drew Brees like passing yet.
Be thankfull, this team has alot of room to blossom.

 

[Ghost]

Zeller is UNC's post scoring. Henson, a shot blocker. Sullinger, unreal, Davis developing.

Point is, compared to most teams, we are fine. Compared to the 3 best, we are missing something.

We can win it all anyway but it would be nice if wr could at least drop it down to Melo once in awhile.

Agree, UNC throws it into Zeller all day. He does his little two power dribbles, then does his mini-hook shot. Davis is still a little raw offensively in the post. Not sure UK has a huge advantage with him.

 

[AZOrange]

Yes we played probably our poorest game on the offensive end tonight but In reality had we just made some layups we would have won by 15-20 points.

I expected a little bit of a hangover after Florida. I expect us to come out much sharper on Saturday.

We do all right in side. We might not have a traditional low post offense (MElo had a pretty nice drop step last night though), but we have been scoring alot of points in the paint, i.e. transition, slashing. Like you said, we make some layups and it is a 20-30 point win.

 

[kingtidge]

Honestly, I think this team just got a little lazy on offense because they were so confident in their defense. There was no way Marshall was going to come back... our defense was just too suffocating. A couple other teams in the country have a legit post-up game, but I think we can defend it as well as anyone.

Agreed.

I think lazy would be a good assessment...

Also evident in their complete lack of effort on rebounding - especially in 2nd half.

No question Marshall is a good rebounding team, but we basically conceded even trying to get rebounds for most of the second half...

If Marshall had any semblance of effective offense, this would have been a very dicey game... They are defensively scrappy and fast like Marquette - just don't have the finishers.

Much like last year, we struggle against scrappy defensive teams trying to run offensive sets through the paint.

The good news is Dion can slash pretty well when he's on...

Scoop is Scoop... he's gonna nail perimeter shots and get some good drives on certain nights and be a turnover machine/poor touch liability on the court other nights...

The difference is Dion is more than adequate depth and already a better player than Scoop... which is encouraging...

The back to basket game is missing... and w/o dunks, I think finishing touch on layups is lacking from Melo/BMK... hopefully will get better as year goes on, but I think part of our problem is confidence in those guys making basic layups down low... If anything, BMK has a better touch than Melo, but that's not saying much as they are both poor.

Not the worst think in the world... Centers need to be defensive stoppers first and foremost in JB's system. We won the NC with Craig Forth at center for cripes sake... Offensive prowess is just an added plus...

 

[pfister1]

Zeller is UNC's post scoring. Henson, a shot blocker. Sullinger, unreal, Davis developing.

Point is, compared to most teams, we are fine. Compared to the 3 best, we are missing something.

We can win it all anyway but it would be nice if wr could at least drop it down to Melo once in awhile.

Give it some time, hopefully we will see continued development over the course of the season. If memory serves Rony Seikaly blossomed during tournament time junior year. It is not impossible that Melo will add something on the offensive end before the year is out.

 

[RoysRunts]

name 5 college players for legit teams that have an effective, and meaningful, back to the basket game. i am not ruling it out, but i have not seen it so far this year from anyone. except maybe sullinger.

Teams in the Colonial League,Unfortunetly their Big men are 6'8/6'7

 

[Upstate]

Having inside moves and being able to generate offense is the point.

UNC (Henson, Zeller) , Duke (Plumlee boys), Ohio St (Sullinger), Kentucky (Davis, Jones), Baylor (Jones, Miller, Acey), and Kansas (Robinson) for starters have a post presence. Hows that for a start? I don't know the other teams good enough to add more to the list just yet

Henson is only beginning to develop a post game, he's not as far ahead as most of our bigs have shown. Wouldn't consider the Plums back to the basket guys, either. Sully is good down low, Davis and Jones are very versatile, so I think that helps them play down low, though they might not be very polished. Jury is out on Baylor. Robinsons a load and is great within 10 feet.

 

[Czar]

Henson is only beginning to develop a post game, he's not as far ahead as most of our bigs have shown. Wouldn't consider the Plums back to the basket guys, either. Sully is good down low, Davis and Jones are very versatile, so I think that helps them play down low, though they might not be very polished. Jury is out on Baylor. Robinsons a load and is great within 10 feet.

Jury is out on Baylor? Have you see Perry Jones play? He's like a 6'11" SF.

 

[The General]

Wait, what? Since when the **** is Kemba Walker a post player?

What I meant was you can win it without a post player if you have a superstar. We don't. Notice I said "in'03 it didnt matter cause we had Melo." It didn't matter that we had no post game cause we had a superstar. Same with Uconn last year. It helps to be able to go inside. Or you better have a star to lean on.

C'mon guy, you know I know Kemba wasn't a post player. This is the second time you've misread my posts and jumped down my throat. Get off my nuts.

 

[Upstate]

Jury is out on Baylor? Have you see Perry Jones play? He's like a 6'11" SF.

They're an exceptionally athletic, long team, but how will they do against solid competition? And weren't we talking about back to the basket play? that was what my response was to. Jury is out on how well those guys play back to the basket.

In regards to how good they are, they haven't played anyone at all. Their only BCS game was vs. Northwestern, who they blew out, but Northwestern is no powerhouse. I'd like to see them vs. TAMU or KU and we'll get a much better representation of how well they play.