How do you know that?
If I'm McDonald, I'm demanding my job back
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my fault since I never watch tcu I assumed he hadn't
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No worry. Mop up duty. Like two handoffs is all
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2 passes for 17 yards against Texas Tech. He's now the backup to Boykin. Looked it up out of curiosity.
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You're right. So how do you know he didn't have a quarterback coming in? Who knows how Allen would have been? All I know he was the highest touted out of the last 5 we signed.
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Please. This isn't on Marrone. He won with the same guys.
Marrone had 3 recruiting classes that were totally his. Coming out of the purgatory we were in did you expect his first couple recruiting classes to be full of blue chippers?
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Ya, exactly, that's my point.
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Haha ok so let me get this straight. Marrone only won because he had Grob's guys, and Shafer is only losing because he has Marrone's guys. Nevermind that the one in the middle might have actually been a great game planner, great at getting the most out of his talent, and a very good coach that was coveted by several NFL franchises. Nope it's all his fault. I know you have an axe to grind with him, but you don't even try to be objective when it comes to Marrone.
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Shhh...it doesn't fit the narrative if you're looking to throw Shafer under the bus.
Single most important position on the team and Marrone rode a GROB recruit until he left town - and that's a fact.
Marrone wasn't a recruiter. It was much harder recruiting here than he thought it would be. Our coaching leaves a lot to be desired but we have a much larger talent gap than the just fire SS group would like to believe. The NFL draft will tell you that. Not to mention that Marrone never faced a schedule like the one we play now. The ACC is much tougher than the Big East that Marrone saw was.
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It astounds me that after all we've seen this year people are still trying to pin this on Marrone and recruiting. Coaching and scheme can get you 5-7 wins; it matters thereafter. This was about terrible, terrible coaching, Hardnose in Theory SS being in completely over his head in all facets of his job and Gross for causing this and not having an utter clue on how to manage a football program from an AD chair.
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N.Y. Orangeman said:
It's not about pinning something on Marrone. It's about acknowledging that some of our talent issues have to do with what Shafer inherited...that being not a lot at the skill positions and no game breakers.
Shafer bears responsibility for most of this mess.
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It's still stupid the 1000x time you say it.
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And so were 70+ 0ther guys.
2012 there were eight "Robinson recruits", on the roster.
Nassib, Sales, Cutler, Stevens, Vaughan were 5th year guys. That's it five guys total.
Pugh, Lemon, Phillips kept their offers when Marrone took over.
Out of that group five starters. Five doesn't equal twenty two, eight doesn't carry forty four.
That's why your bit has always been stupid.
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GoSU96 said:
Of course there were other guys on that team. But they won because of Nassib, Lemon, Sales and Pugh. All Grob guys. And in 2010, you can add Smith and Hogue, the 2 defensive studs. Look at today's roster, those type of players on the offensive side aren't there.
PTG, Philips, West, Ishmael are all good enough weapons. Our OL has been horrible and that is on the coaching staff. In 2 years we scored 30 points against P5 competition 2 times. Last year against BC and this year we needed a defensive TD to get to 30 against Wake forest.
Last year we beat wake scoring 12 points, Maryland scoring 20, NC State 23 pts. Last year we stole games on defense this year we stole squat and next year we won't have Crume, Reddish, Lynch, Davis all of whom were Marrone guys SS leaned on heavily defensively.
Last year we beat wake scoring 12 points, Maryland scoring 20, NC State 23 pts. Last year we stole games on defense this year we stole squat and next year we won't have Crume, Reddish, Lynch, Davis all of whom were Marrone guys SS leaned on heavily defensively.
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They didn't win because of those guys. They won because they were part of a complete offense. Were they key components, sure, but 4th and 5th year guys are always expected to be key components. Nothing new under the sun there.
The key to the offense was that it was complete, had a running game, had good tight ends, a very good five man line, not a one man line.
Exactly. We need to bring in some outside talent. We don't have an OC on our staff.
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Better than who?
The guys on the OL have all played better, as individuals and as a group than they did this year. Injuries played a big part. Did they suddenly forget how to play?
West certainty showed he was capable of making plays down the field, not sure you can blame him for any of this. Broyld, out most of the year.
Did Gulley forget how to be a good TB?
Seems the statement held true for the defense across the board.
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I think Marrone made some odd personnel decisions over the years, but he also gave Shafer the benefit of stocking the defense with the best athletes. For example, two potential game breaking receivers have each spent the last three years lining up free safety and cornerback respectively. The problem is we didnt recruit enough gamebreakers at wideout to compensate for their absence (or play them where they should [wink Broyld wink]). That's why the receivers have earned playing time based on blocking ability (possibly the worst metric to base receiving playing time on).
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The season showed that we had more issues with how we utilized talent than actual recruiting it.
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Ya you're right it was much harder recruiting here then he thought. He took over after winning a total of 3 games the 2 seasons before. What recruits would willingly sign up for that? Let's also forget to mention that when he took over we had bottom 5 facilities as far as P5 programs. Facilities didn't improve until the Manley renovations that were completed in 2012, and still then they weren't that great. It's actually pretty amazing he did as good as he did. Those first 2 classes he had to fight for every single kid. We were a program in the gutter. Sure Marrone may not have liked recruiting, but that doesn't mean he wasn't good at it. He had a plan. He implemented it, and it was starting to show fruition when he left. That 2012 class that he had was shaping up to be very very good. The class before that produced a ton of contributors as well. All that was done with absolutely nothing. I would love to see how he would be doing right now with real facilities, and before this season a winning program. It would have been just as good, if not better then what we are doing now.
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