If there's a change coming,

[GoSU96]

the board and any major boosters that have been up to their elbows in this CF for the last 15 years better stay the hell away. They are directly culpable in this disaster.

Directly ran off and helped push out the door the two coaches that were able to make it work here, all while pinching pennies and not making the investments that would keep this program competitive or recover.

 

[tep624]

If the purse strings are opened and the search is done with a lot of due diligence, then I don't care who is involved. I have pretty strong faith that based on Coyle's background, that he will make a calculated and educated choice here.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

the board and any major boosters that have been up to their elbows in this CF for the last 15 years better stay the hell away. They are directly culpable in this disaster.

Directly ran off and helped push out the door the two coaches that were able to make it work here, all while pinching pennies and not making the investments that would keep this program competitive or recover.

Your take on Pasqualoni is unfathomable.

 

[Chip]

the board and any major boosters that have been up to their elbows in this CF for the last 15 years better stay the hell away. They are directly culpable in this disaster. Directly ran off and helped push out the door the two coaches that were able to make it work here, all while pinching pennies and not making the investments that would keep this program competitive or recover.

Feel better?

There's a whole new regime here. You can put all of this behind you now.

 

[GoSU96]

Feel better?

There's a whole new regime here. You can put all of this behind you now.

Are the people I referenced gone?

 

[Chip]

Are the people I referenced gone?

Yes

Feel better?

 

[rrlbees]

the board and any major boosters that have been up to their elbows in this CF for the last 15 years better stay the hell away. They are directly culpable in this disaster. Directly ran off and helped push out the door the two coaches that were able to make it work here, all while pinching pennies and not making the investments that would keep this program competitive or recover.

That is so much garbage.

 

[cuseguy]

Your take on Pasqualoni is unfathomable.

Coach P was fired after a 6-6 year.

We'd have a parade now if we finished 6-6.

 

[Geode]

If the purse strings are opened and the search is done with a lot of due diligence, then I don't care who is involved. I have pretty strong faith that based on Coyle's background, that he will make a calculated and educated choice here.

I don't mean to call you out specifically but I keep hearing that people have a lot of faith in the AD's ability to find a coach. Where does this come from? When Peterson left Boise St, who Coyle did not hire, he picked a guy who was a native Boise son, who had been on the Boise St staff for 10 yrs before going off on his own for a few yrs. Pretty easy to keep tabs on a guy like that. Albeit he's a very good coach, but he was kinda already in Boise St's hip pocket.

I want the AD to make the right decision, whatever that may be, but the Syracuse situation seems like a far more difficult decision and likely search, should it come to that, than what he had to do at Boise, or UK.

I get the sense this AD's expertise is more focused on managing budgets, compliance and successfully managing NCAA adversity but not necessarily 'finding' football coaches. I hope he can find a way to fix the football problem but I don't have faith that that is what he was brought here to do.

 

[orangenirvana]

I don't mean to call you out specifically but I keep hearing that people have a lot of faith in the AD's ability to find a coach. Where does this come from? When Peterson left Boise St, who Coyle did not hire, he picked a guy who was a native Boise son, who had been on the Boise St staff for 10 yrs before going off on his own for a few yrs. Pretty easy to keep tabs on a guy like that. Albeit he's a very good coach, but he was kinda already in Boise St's hip pocket.

I want the AD to make the right decision, whatever that may be, but the Syracuse situation seems like a far more difficult decision and likely search, should it come to that, than what he had to do at Boise, or UK.

I get the sense this AD's expertise is more focused on managing budgets, compliance and successfully managing NCAA adversity but not necessarily 'finding' football coaches. I hope he can find a way to fix the football problem but I don't have faith that that is what he was brought here to do.

How hard is it to "find" a coach? If he needs help he can visit syracusefan.com.

 

[Millhouse]

Coach P was fired after a 6-6 year.

We'd have a parade now if we finished 6-6.

they've had 7 or more wins 3 out of the last 6 years.

same as pasqualoni post mcnabb.

people are getting too nuts. we have a d3 offensive coordinator and a barely better than average defensive coordinator as head coach. hire someone decent again and they'll be just fine.

 

[samspann1]

Indirectly, another pro-Marrone post.

Shocking.

 

[rrlbees]

How hard is it to "find" a coach? If he needs help he can visit syracusefan.com.

He could probably hire any one of a number of posters too.

 

[GoSU96]

That is so much garbage.

Who recklessly ordered the Code Red on P? So far it wasn't Gross, it wasn't Cantor. Who was it then?

How come it the IPF magically appeared days after Marrone left? Why wasn't it announced in early to help with the Class of '13 recruiting cycle?

Wait I think I've read that donors were witholding money because Marrone didn't stroke their ego's enough, and I think that came from you.

And Rahme has told me that members of the board were openly hostile to Marrone which also helped push him towards the door. Was it Gross that came up with the bowl or fired ultimatum going into the '12 season?

I couldn't believe it at the time, but Jeremy said there was big money trying to get him removed even before that.

That's the stuff I'm talking about. People in authority, without a clue, have had a direct hand if killing this program.

 

[GoSU96]

they've had 7 or more wins 3 out of the last 6 years.

same as pasqualoni post mcnabb.

people are getting too nuts. we have a d3 offensive coordinator and a barely better than average defensive coordinator as head coach. hire someone decent again and they'll be just fine.

I've made that point multiple times recently, but let professionals handle this next hire, that's all I'm saying with this post.

 

[anglerman]

Pasqaloni needed robe driven off and Marrone wasn't going stay no matter what. His poor recruiting is part of this teams problem.

 

[rrlbees]

Who recklessly ordered the Code Red on P? So far it wasn't Gross, it wasn't Cantor. Who was it then? How come it the IPF magically appeared days after Marrone left? Why wasn't it announced in early to help with the Class of '13 recruiting cycle? Wait I think I've read that donors were witholding money because Marrone didn't stroke their ego's enough, and I think that came from you. And Rahme has told me that members of the board were openly hostile to Marrone which also helped push him towards the door. Was it Gross that came up with the bowl or fired ultimatum going into the '12 season? I couldn't believe it at the time, but Jeremy said there was big money trying to get him removed even before that. That's the stuff I'm talking about. People in authority, without a clue, have had a direct hand if killing this program.

And it was Cantor. A few posters here were witness to it. As to Marrone, it had nothing to do with his contract. Nothing. Nobody withheld money from him. That's a fact. But yes he did manage to piss off a lot of people. That was his own doing. That's a fact too.

 

[Alsacs]

I would feel more comfortable with Millhouse picking the next coach and somebody else negotiating the contract.

Coach P was losing the fanbase when we still had a bigger FB fanbase. Good man but he ran the course. Gross I believe made the call to replace him and was given the authority by Cantor. I remember Corso/Herbstreit/Tirico interviewing Gross during the bowl game vs. Georgia Tech and after the interview Corso saying P was gonzo.

In retrospect Marrone deserved more patience from me when we realize what he took over. He was a pro coach in college game mentality wise. I will Marrone left too early but for an NFL job its understandable.

 

[javadoc]

Who recklessly ordered the Code Red on P?

I'm surprised this isn't an answered question by now. I don't know the answer. But I heard directly from a generally reliable source, at a tailgate in 2005 or 2006, that it was a high-ranking and influential BOT member who told Cantor to pull the plug at halftime of the bowl game against GT.

 

[Scooch]

Why does this matter? Syverud isn't Cantor. Coyle isn't Gross.

 

[GoSU96]

And it was Cantor. A few posters here were witness to it. As to Marrone, it had nothing to do with his contract. Nothing. Nobody withheld money from him. That's a fact. But yes he did manage to piss off a lot of people. That was his own doing. That's a fact too.

So you are saying Cantor made that decision all on her own? Because I believe I read on here recently, by people who witnessed it, that it was some trustee's who pushed it.

Did I say contract? I'm talking resources, facilities improvements, the things he needed to do his job better.

As for his contract, was there and extension signed and what was the buy out?

As for pissing people off, as long as he was doing his job well, too bad, two way street.

 

[OrangeDW]

I don't mean to call you out specifically but I keep hearing that people have a lot of faith in the AD's ability to find a coach. Where does this come from? When Peterson left Boise St, who Coyle did not hire, he picked a guy who was a native Boise son, who had been on the Boise St staff for 10 yrs before going off on his own for a few yrs. Pretty easy to keep tabs on a guy like that. Albeit he's a very good coach, but he was kinda already in Boise St's hip pocket.

I want the AD to make the right decision, whatever that may be, but the Syracuse situation seems like a far more difficult decision and likely search, should it come to that, than what he had to do at Boise, or UK.

I get the sense this AD's expertise is more focused on managing budgets, compliance and successfully managing NCAA adversity but not necessarily 'finding' football coaches. I hope he can find a way to fix the football problem but I don't have faith that that is what he was brought here to do.

If friggin Temple can find a coach good enough to get them in the top 25, so can we.

 

[cuseguy]

If friggin Temple can find a coach good enough to get them in the top 25, so can we.

Yes, we should hire their coach. Top of my short list.

 

[rrlbees]

Why does this matter? Syverud isn't Cantor. Coyle isn't Gross.

Here's what's gonna happen IMO. It's no inside information but common sense unlike some of the hysterics.

Coyle has some possible names. I'm sure he's doing his due diligence and putting out informal feelers. Now if he can get someone on his list that he wants, he makes a change. If he can't, he gives Shafer another year.

He's not going to make a change for the sake of making a change and then possibly be in the same spot 3 years from now.

And like I already predicated a couple weeks ago and we've already seen here today, if he keeps Shafer he's gonna have his head called for by some even if he had good reason and we just don't know that reason.

 

[PoppyHart]

How many of P's wins were against 1AA teams? Try adding a gimme win to every season and then justify how idiotic the administration was.

We wet our pants over 6-6 Pinstripe Bowls when one of those wins every year is Fordham or someone similar.

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