If you were Battle’s advisor

[IthacaMatt]

You, and others here, talk about "getting that second contract" as if it were something easily achievable for lots of guys, when in fact the chances of getting even a first contract are not very good for numerous talented and very accomplished players.

Maybe so, but the economics changed several years ago when the NBA players' association started pushing for less guaranteed money for draft picks and shorter contracts, so that there would be more available for veterans.

Unless you go top 10-15, the first round pick is not enough money to set you up for life anymore. To get real wealth, you have to get to the second contract.

So, yes, "getting to the second contract" is easier said than done, but as Bayside said above, you only get one chance and you need to be physically and mentally ready. NBA teams don't give you several years at the end of the bench to "figure it out". They don't carry projects for as long as they used to.

And really, that thinking only applies when you have someone who has clear NBA talent. Like Lydon, for instance, or Jerami Grant or Dion Waiters.

 

[br801]

I say this every year...This talk of other people's money is cringe worthy.

I absolutely agree. And the level of detail in some of these speculative posts seems weird.

 

[djcon57]

I’m not sure how many times I can say this: if you want to go — GO! I’m am 100% cool with it.

I also don’t feel battle needs to listen to my opinion.

I’m merely discussing what I think is an interesting question for a bunch of guys we’ve had lately.

Now if you want to hear me talk about other peoples money, let’s discuss donating money to universities. I can go on and on about that.

And by the way, one data point. Nice counter-argument.

the counter argument is you don't give one effff what any other former Cuse basketball player makes. Why do you care what these guys could make?

 

[Bayside44]

Are we discussing playing pro basketball? I thought we were discussing what people would be getting paid and what type of car they would be driving?

What does theoretical salaries and theoretical cars they own have to do with if someone goes early or not?

If someone wants to get paid playing basketball, they should go. That's the argument. That's it.

Crunching numbers on people's made up salaries and how/where they are living is ridiculous.

If that's the argument then it's silly. A guy can make 26K or multi millions. Like another poster said it's interesting to me since a lot of our kids recently have been in a bit of a gray zone with declaring.

 

[br801]

Maybe so, but the economics changed several years ago when the NBA players' association started pushing for less guaranteed money for draft picks and shorter contracts, so that there would be more available for veterans.

Unless you go top 10-15, the first round pick is not enough money to set you up for life anymore. To get real wealth, you have to get to the second contract.

So, yes, "getting to the second contract" is easier said than done, but as Bayside said above, you only get one chance and you need to be physically and mentally ready. NBA teams don't give you several years at the end of the bench to "figure it out". They don't carry projects for as long as they used to.

And really, that thinking only applies when you have someone who has clear NBA talent. Like Lydon, for instance, or Jerami Grant or Dion Waiters.

If your goal is to play in the NBA, I think it's less about being "physically and mentally ready" and more about leaving when the NBA values you as a prospect worth drafting. If you wait too long, that window may close.

But no matter what, "second contract" NBA careers are few and far between, and most of the guys who actually are drafted will end up having G-League and/or overseas careers. And there's certainly nothing wrong with that if you want to get paid to play basketball.

 

[chugg21]

If you think his stats last year were one of a role player, so be it, that's your opinion. I'm not saying he's a star, I never said that, those are your words, I'm just giving you his stats that, in my opinion, state otherwise and more reflective of a key contributor. If Marek was doing more of what he's been doing the past few games, yes, I'd say then he is more than just a role player, and a key contributor as in the Wake ACC Tourney game and TCU game.

It should hopefully be the opinion of everyone that a guy that is 7th on a team in usage rate is a role player. Hope in one hand, $**t in the other I guess.

 

[orangecuse]

It should hopefully be the opinion of everyone that a guy that is 7th on a team in usage rate is a role player. Hope in one hand, $**t in the other I guess.

What should hopefully be the opinion of everyone is who the farg pays attention to "usage rate" when deciding upon what is considered being a key contributor? Call me crazy, but the stats I posted for you is what the vast majority of stat pages cover, and what most people pay attention to, as well as some others, although I didn't see anything on"usage rate." Knock yourself out as far as that category is concerned if that is what you are selectively choosing in your weak attempt to convince me, or anyone else for that matter, that Mikal was simply a roll player last year based upon his productive stats as those stats speak for itself.

Usage Percentage (available since the 1977-78 season in the NBA); the formula is 100 * ((FGA + 0.44 * FTA + TOV) * (Tm MP / 5)) / (MP * (Tm FGA + 0.44 * Tm FTA + Tm TOV)). Usage percentage is an estimate of the percentage of team plays used by a player while he was on the floor.

I'll stick with the other stats vs. some math formula/equation based upon an "estimate," not to mention seemingly used in the NBA vs. college.

 

[Knicks411]

Bridges took about 15% of the Nova shots when he was on the court last year, I would consider that to be a role player. If anyone cares what I think.

 

[Alsacs]

I think we will be lucky if Oshae decides to come back.
If he wants to get paid he could leave as well.

Battle is gone. I just want him to work his way into the first round and keep our streak alive.

 

[orangecuse]

Bridges took about 15% of the Nova shots when he was on the court last year, I would consider that to be a role player. If anyone cares what I think.

Well, if you want to go with that stat as Chugg21 suggests then so be it. I'll take a 'role' player for us that averages 10 points/game and 5 rebounds/game every day of the week and twice on Sunday's.

 

[dasher]

I think we will be lucky if Oshae decides to come back.
If he wants to get paid he could leave as well.

Battle is gone. I just want him to work his way into the first round and keep our streak alive.

Jb said in his interview with Dougie that our guys were committed to come back. That statement threw me for a loop. Why would they even be talking about it right now? And anything they said would probably be worthless. And above all else, why would Jb say it on a radio show?

 

[Knicks411]

Well, if you want to go with that stat as Chugg21 suggests then so be it. I'll take a 'role' player for us that averages 10 points/game and 5 rebounds/game every day of the week and twice on Sunday's.

Role player doesn't mean bad. I always thought of it as just not a huge contributor to the offense.

 

[Alsacs]

Jb said in his interview with Dougie that our guys were committed to come back. That statement threw me for a loop. Why would they even be talking about it right now? And anything they said would probably be worthless. And above all else, why would Jb say it on a radio show?

I am sure Malachi was coming back till UVA.
If Oshae goes off this weekend and we make the Final Four I wish him well in the pros next year.

 

[dasher]

I am sure Malachi was coming back till UVA.
If Oshae goes off this weekend and we make the Final Four I wish him well in the pros next year.

If we go to the final four, I'll pack his bags for him and drive him to the airport

 

[HOFCeluck]

I’m greedy. Final four or not I want everyone back for a dominant season in 2019.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I think we will be lucky if Oshae decides to come back.
If he wants to get paid he could leave as well.

Battle is gone. I just want him to work his way into the first round and keep our streak alive.

Oshae isn't even a top 60 prospect according to Jonathan Givony. His stock has actually gone down recently. Battle's has gone up.

 

[billsin01]

the counter argument is you don't give one effff what any other former Cuse basketball player makes. Why do you care what these guys could make?

I don’t. Couldn’t care less outside of hoping they all do well.

We’re talking about the factors that go into the decision to go pro or not. Obviously an enormous chunk of that is financial not to mention the vast majority of folks feel strongly that these guys should be paid in college. I’m not sure how it’s gross to discuss that. Do you never debate the contracts your favorite pro teams are handing out?

 

[Briancuse]

The names of the players change, but not the posters.

Every case is completely different.

 

[orangecuse]

Role player doesn't mean bad. I always thought of it as just not a huge contributor to the offense.

Oh I know. I guess, as in many things in life, people may interpret things a bit differently. I see it that Mikal was not a huge contributor or star level last year, but based upon him averaging the aforementioned stats I posted, and a starter averaging 30 minutes/game, I feel he was a bit more than simply a role guy, but more of a key contributor type. To me, a role player doesn't produce those type of numbers.

 

[Arangeman]

Oshae isn't even a top 60 prospect according to Jonathan Givony. His stock has actually gone down recently. Battle's has gone up.

FWIW he has Battle as the #28 pick in the first round. Oshae is #60.

 

[chugg21]

Well, if you want to go with that stat as Chugg21 suggests then so be it. I'll take a 'role' player for us that averages 10 points/game and 5 rebounds/game every day of the week and twice on Sunday's.

You're just using counting stats blindly and pretending they mean the same thing in all contexts. Comparing a guy scoring 10 pts for a Nova team that piles up a ton of pts to a guy scoring 10 for us is completely pointless. Usage rate is fairly all encompassing to help better understand the game beyond the same simple box score any 3 year old can grasp.

On just about any basketball team outside of the Warriors, the 4th option would be considered a role player. I struggle to comprehend how that is even arguable and invite you to find others to join your side and enlighten me.

 

[chugg21]

You're just using counting stats blindly and pretending they mean the same thing in all contexts. Comparing a guy scoring 10 pts for a Nova team that piles up a ton of pts to a guy scoring 10 for us is completely pointless. Usage rate is fairly all encompassing to help better understand the game beyond the same simple box score any 3 year old can grasp.

On just about any basketball team outside of the Warriors, the 4th option would be considered a role player. I struggle to comprehend how that is even arguable and invite you to find others to join your side and enlighten me.

That may have been too dickish. Basically all I've been trying to say is him at Nova last year and Battle this year are not comparable in any way besides maybe skin color, the sport they play and the 1st letter of their last name.

 

[Jeremy L.]

Has it been discussed that Tyus' father Gary RT'd something not long ago about Tyus returning? Take it for what it's worth.

 

[djcon57]

I don’t. Couldn’t care less outside of hoping they all do well.

We’re talking about the factors that go into the decision to go pro or not. Obviously an enormous chunk of that is financial not to mention the vast majority of folks feel strongly that these guys should be paid in college. I’m not sure how it’s gross to discuss that. Do you never debate the contracts your favorite pro teams are handing out?

Only if there's a salary cap that affects the other positions on the team which in turn affects wins and losses. Never got into the whole "they pay this guy too much" aspect that people love discussing. It's not my money.

 

[Briancuse]

I think we will be lucky if Oshae decides to come back.
If he wants to get paid he could leave as well.

Battle is gone. I just want him to work his way into the first round and keep our streak alive.

Battle is prob gone lets not get crazy brissett will be back.