I'm not sure why people are afraid of rebuilding

[rosconey]

i am more inclined to say the void in talent was on the oc more than the players -

 

[cuseguy]

Void might be a bad word but certainly much less than what he had and there was a huge drop off after those stars graduated.

Marrone did a poor job finding a successor to Nassib.

Tired of saying it, but we will not get over the hump again without a good QB. Doesn't matter who the coach is.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Marrone did a poor job finding a successor to Nassib.

Tired of saying it, but we will not get over the hump again without a good QB. Doesn't matter who the coach is.

What's so funny is for so long so many people were on board the "judge the offense once Marrone has his own QB" train.

 

[rosconey]

Marrone did a poor job finding a successor to Nassib.

Tired of saying it, but we will not get over the hump again without a good QB. Doesn't matter who the coach is.

a solid system can make average qb's look awesome= a lousy system can make a good qb look horrid

 

[cuseguy]

That's crazy. We were/are deeper at both wr and running back than we have been in years.

We don't have a running back that would start for any other ACC team.

We were average there this year; we'll be below average next year.

 

[Willy75]

We don't have a running back that would start for any other ACC team.

We were average there this year; we'll be below average next year.

Re starting maybe, maybe not. Hard to tell given that the substitution patterns at that position this year have been virtually incomprehensible.

 

[ssbriefcase]

We don't have a running back that would start for any other ACC team.

We were average there this year; we'll be below average next year.

We have a below average position coach. He should be sent packing..

 

[Crusty]

Re starting maybe, maybe not. Hard to tell given that the substitution patterns at that position this year have been virtually incomprehensible.

I simply don't understand the way we handled our running backs. Just like QB's they need to get into a rhythm and our platoon system seems to guarantee nobody gets enough reps to do a good job. Just crazy.

 

[Chris02M]

I simply don't understand the way we handled our running backs. Just like QB's they need to get into a rhythm and our platoon system seems to guarantee nobody gets enough reps to do a good job. Just crazy.

I don't think any 1 back on our team this year can do it all. In a perfect world id prefer 1 bell cow back with second back getting a few touches as wr or rb while doing kick returns

 

[rosconey]

when your oline is coached by a guy with zero experience with olines- its kinda hard to get a solid running game going -add in the lack of any passing game inside the 30- and its easy to see why guys are down on the backs -
most claimed this to be the deepest unit in a decade or more-

now they run around like little chickens looking for any excuse they can find

 

[dinosaurbbq]

Fire the Coach! Really, we have to ask ourselves is 3 years enough to build a winner? Not when you look at what he inherited. There should be some benchmarks that speak to improvement. He should get at least 4 years to be fair to him and his program. this year was a setback, but injuries played a huge part in our record. Next year, let's see what happens. If I was Shafer, I would have taken the off season to search for an experienced OC, tweak, change the system, work in the off season to install this new offense and look to make an impact next season. I do not know why he has so much confidence in Lester. He hired McDonald, a friend and someone he worked with. Look how fast he pulled the plug on him. If you believe in someone…..or something, you don't give up on it so fast! He could have kept Mcdonald as OC for the remainder of the season, had Lester call the plays, and made a decision after the season. The way Shafer handled that situation is one of the worse examples of how "not to lead" that I have seen in a while.

Dr. Bill -- you are not considering the possibility that Shafer attempted to just take play calling duties away from McDonald due to an alleged "freeze up" and inability to react or adjust and a myriad of additional issues and McDonald refused to accept it, thereby forcing Shafer to demote him publicly. I have no personal knowledge that is what happen, but that would be my guess for the sole reason it would have been far easier and looked far better to recruits and the public to just take play calling duties away. Yes Shafer has acted with emotion many times now (which I love), but no he isn't stupid and certainly wouldn't want to make his friend McDonald look bad by publicly demoting him if he had a choice.

 

[dinosaurbbq]

a head coach's first duty is to hire the best available assistants -not your pals-here he seriously failed -

nothing wrong with hiring a big time recruiter if the rest of your staff is good and can help cover his deficiencies at coaching -another fail

you never put your worst coach in charge of offense-another fail
you dont replace the worst with the second worst by just a hair -another failure

you dont hire a oline coach with zero experience coaching olines -another failure

like the great groober hcss can talk the talk but is a cripple when it comes time to walk the walk-

If it is true that we have very limited resources, well below average for ACC teams, to pay assistant coaches, that has a lot to do with hiring assistant coaches from non-FBS and non-P5 schools and with little experience at FBS P5 level. If its true SU has committed limited resources for assistant coaches, the solution has to involve increasing those monetary resources to bring in experienced and qualified coaches, particularly on the offense. The other part is making the right hire with that money.

 

[dinosaurbbq]

We don't have a running back that would start for any other ACC team.

We were average there this year; we'll be below average next year.

This is wrong. Way wrong. Our RB's stats are severely undercut by the absolutely nonsensical decision to sub our RBs so frequently. PTG getting 15-20 touches a game would have had better numbers than a lot of RB in the ACC. More important still, our offense SUCKS and we can't pass the ball at all. That means teams stack the run and from what I've seen, they have. In my opinion, even with those aspects impacting our running backs, our RBs (PTG, DMF, Erv, AAM and GMII in that order) are much more talented than those at a number of ACC schools, including off the top of my head BC, UVA, Clemson, Va Tech, and UNC.

 

[dinosaurbbq]

I simply don't understand the way we handled our running backs. Just like QB's they need to get into a rhythm and our platoon system seems to guarantee nobody gets enough reps to do a good job. Just crazy.

Yes, I've been saying it all year and actually since before the year started.

 

[dinosaurbbq]

Our hopes for a QB in 2015 and 2016 are not looking good.

2015
Eric Dungey isn't coming here.
Air Force, Brigham Young, Brown, Duke, Harvard, Idaho, Montana, Montana State, Navy, Nevada, Northern Colorado, Ohio, Oregon, Oregon State, Syracuse, UC-Davis, UNLV, Washington State, Wyoming, Yale

Chason Virgil will get a zillion offers and he isn't coming here.

2016
Jarrett Guarantano has over 20 offers and he isn't coming here.
Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Arizona State, Auburn, Boston College, Georgia, Illinois, Louisville, Maryland, Michigan State, Mississippi, Nebraska, North Carolina, Penn State, Rutgers, Syracuse, Tennessee, UCLA, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wisconsin

Dwayne Haskins has over 20 offers and he isn't coming here.
Arizona, Arizona State, Boston College, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU, Maryland, Miami (Fl), Michigan, Mississippi State, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, SMU, Syracuse, Temple, Tennessee, Texas A&M, Utah, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, West Virginia, Wisconsin

Sonny Abramson just committed to UVA.

Huh, Dungey just committed to SU. How about that?

 

[xc84]

I simply don't understand the way we handled our running backs. Just like QB's they need to get into a rhythm and our platoon system seems to guarantee nobody gets enough reps to do a good job. Just crazy.

I think it is more that the run block has not been great and the rotation is more a way to attempt to deal with that.

 

[Crusty]

I think it is more that the run block has not been great and the rotation is more a way to attempt to deal with that.

Why didn't we use more 12 or 22 packages? Hell even I formation.

 

[Macky44]

SU is death to QBs just like Minnesota Timberwolves were/are death to SU basketball players who are good enough to get drafted high.

Last year, we had Drew Allen, who was a highly recruited, Prepstar All-American QB out of San Antonio, TX ranked 38th best QB in the nation when he committed to Oklahoma. He sat behind Sam Bradford and Landry before transfering to SU. He looked like a very bad high school QB on the field for SU. Couldn't complete a pass, took way too long to get rid of the ball, bad decisions, bad arm.
Hunt, AJ Long, Kimble, Wilson -- it doesn't matter who has taken the field at QB this year. The majority were 3 star QB recruits, which means they were scouted and thought to have the skills to contribute on the college level. They all look like very bad high school level QBs that should have come nowhere near sniffing a D1 offer. How can they all suck so bad? Bad coaching? Bad Playcalling? Lack of preparation? I don't know but we better figure out what it is or we'll suck forever.

Nassib came in awful and is now in the NFL.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Why didn't we use more 12 or 22 packages? Hell even I formation.

Crusty, it hurts me that you're asking these questions. These things aren't the answer.

 

[Crusty]

Crusty, it hurts me that you're asking these questions. These things aren't the answer.

I was basically saying that different scheme would have been better answer to poor blocking rather than RB rotation. I would rather watch badminton than three yards and a cloud of recycled tires.

 

[dinosaurbbq]

Nassib came in awful and is now in the NFL.[/QUOTE

Different staff of coaches all the way around. I'm concerned about this staff not the previous one.