I'm not sure why people are afraid of rebuilding

[OttoinGrotto]

I think changes need to happen, but selfishly I can't sit through 4 more years of "need time to install my system"' "need to get my recruits", "need to open up new recruiting territories"' yada yada

I can't stand to watch yet another rebuilding process. We need a big name, proven recruiter if we are going to make a change. An up and coming guy is a multi year project. I'm afraid the program might be dead by then

I don't think it would take that long.

 

[rocklloyd]

And gerg2.0 didn't inherit the steaming pile of garbage that Marrone stepped into. The notion that he needs or deserves five is just crazy. Shafer walked into a situation with a program that was u in good shape. A middling program that could either continue on a positive trajectory or plummet back into the abyss.

We're back in the abyss and Shafer is not the man to get us out of it. But if we cut the chord now it at least won't be a complete rebuild.

The irony of all this is that our strategy was to run bubble screens this year, just 6 or 7 years removed from the last time we tried to do it and got run off the field. I didn't even know what a bubble screen was until Rob spence got here and never wanted to see one again a short time after.

 

[rocklloyd]

I don't think it would take that long.

I'll hope and pray.

 

[Crusty]

An established head coach usually brings a staff with him. That is one of the most important advantages of hiring an established HC.

Shafer has a real problem on offense and trying so solve it with someone as inexperienced at this level as Lester is a huge risk. My guess is that we will play like Pitt or BC. I am sure Shafer sees what they are doing and he may see it as the least risk way to get 6 or 7 wins. Bowl games in 2 of his first 3 years will certainly guarantee he comes back for 2 more.

Until that very talented QB falls into our lap that will probably be our future.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

No big name coach on a high career trajectory would take a job like this because he would know it would take time and the likelihood of having bad seasons ( INJURIES ) , like the one now , would turn the fans on him and make the job difficult if not impossible. Stay the course with Scott for at least 3 more years.

He has a 5 year contract. He can be bought out after 4 years, and I suppose that since we have ACC money coming in, a buyout after 3 years is no longer off the table.

If GRob didn't get the full 5 years, there's no way that Shafer does.

Welcome to big boy football. You close or you hit the bricks. Nobody gets until the end of their contract.

 

[CousCuse]

Matt Campbell the head coach at Toledo. Young, hungry, offensive minded, he relates to the modern athlete, proven winner at a MAC school. Head coaching experience. Going to SU would be a career step up for him.

Not a big name...just a proven head coach and someone with a proven track record

Toledo has been a winning program for 20 years , He didn't build it. Doeren and Clawson are the same thing and look at them now in the ACC, its not an easy jump to make.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

The irony of all this is that our strategy was to run bubble screens this year, just 6 or 7 years removed from the last time we tried to do it and got run off the field. I didn't even know what a bubble screen was until Rob spence got here and never wanted to see one again a short time after.

I think the hang up people have with the bubble screens is actually illustrating the real problem with the offense.

Scheme wise, we were built to get to the line quick, spread out the defense, look at what the defense was cheated towards, and go away from that.

Where it broke down was in the look at the defense. I think our plays looked like read options, but were predetermined play calls. Either that, or all of our QBs were just really, really bad at making the right choices on their pass and run options. The bubble screen became this symbol of the flaw in the offense design, not because it isn't sound (lots of teams make things happen with bubble screens) but because we weren't doing it because the read suggested it, and when we did it we weren't all that good executing it anyway.

 

[boog7]

And gerg2.0 didn't inherit the steaming pile of garbage that Marrone stepped into. The notion that he needs or deserves five is just crazy. Shafer walked into a situation with a program that was u in good shape. A middling program that could either continue on a positive trajectory or plummet back into the abyss.

We're back in the abyss and Shafer is not the man to get us out of it. But if we cut the chord now it at least won't be a complete rebuild.

Amen. I find it so odd that so many don't see what is so blatantly obvious: Scott Shafer dosn't have what it takes to be a winning HC at at P5 school. Shafer=GRob; both solid DC's (Lieutenants) who don't have the requisite abilities to lead an entire program (Generals). Both losers.

 

[CousCuse]

He has a 5 year contract. He can be bought out after 4 years, and I suppose that since we have ACC money coming in, a buyout after 3 years is no longer off the table.

If GRob didn't get the full 5 years, there's no way that Shafer does.

Welcome to big boy football. You close or you hit the bricks. Nobody gets until the end of their contract.

London at Va. Got the time and it looks like it will payoff , at least it did last night against Miami.

 

[Crusty]

David Bailiff, Rice.

 

[rocklloyd]

I think the hang up people have with the bubble screens is actually illustrating the real problem with the offense.

Scheme wise, we were built to get to the line quick, spread out the defense, look at what the defense was cheated towards, and go away from that.

Where it broke down was in the look at the defense. I think our plays looked like read options, but were predetermined play calls. Either that, or all of our QBs were just really, really bad at making the right choices on their pass and run options. The bubble screen became this symbol of the flaw in the offense design, not because it isn't sound (lots of teams make things happen with bubble screens) but because we weren't doing it because the read suggested it, and when we did it we weren't all that good executing it anyway.

Lots of teams making things happen, you mean like everyone who runs it against us?

You can't get up to line quick and then pause for 15 seconds while everyone looks at sideline, at same time defense is correcting to blow up bubble screen.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Lots of teams making things happen, you mean like everyone who runs it against us?

You can't get up to line quick and then pause for 15 seconds while everyone looks at sideline, at same time defense is correcting to blow up bubble screen.

Agreed. We like half committed to playing a hurry up.

 

[Stern]

I would take your post more seriously if you eliminated the ad hominem attacks. Scott Shafer is a very decent human being who has served SU well in the past. His background is one of high character and he is not a clown.

Nobody said he isn't a decent human being. But Scott Shafer took a job in a profession that is "results orientated"...there are a lot of good people who are head coaches who get fired because they lose and don't win enough. Shafer knew what he signed up for. Nobody put a gun to his head and made him take the job where results is what you are graded by. Ok. He is in a profession that when you don't produce results...you get fired!

He is a clueless head coach at the moment and it will cost him his job eventually. Some of his comments this year (ie bringing up Isis of all things) are wacky, the way he acted in the Clemson game last year was classless, and made him look like a clown and his coaching on the sideline isn't doing much to change that image. He is probably a great father and husband, but when you take a high profile job and say wacky things and then don't produce results you might be called a clown at times. Not the end of the world, deal with it.

 

[javadoc]

input on all decisions, no. considered opinions is one role of coordinators. shafer is the ceo, and his staff are the bod who advise him. he alone makes the decisions.right now shafer is lost in defining himself as a ceo and he has a poor bod.

Good luck getting an OC here if he thinks the HC doesn't value offense, and doesn't trust you to convert a 4th and 1 from midfield, trailing 23 points, with 7 minutes to go. Who wants to coach offense in that managerial environment?

 

[Stern]

Toledo has been a winning program for 20 years , He didn't build it. Doeren and Clawson are the same thing and look at them now in the ACC, its not an easy jump to make.

I know he didn't build it from the ground up, but he has done well to keep it going and keep that train rolling. Which our current guy leading Syracuse can't say. He is the type of guy Syracuse should target. Head coaching experience, young, not a big name. It's a realistic get for a school like Syracuse

 

[Crusty]

I think the hang up people have with the bubble screens is actually illustrating the real problem with the offense.

Scheme wise, we were built to get to the line quick, spread out the defense, look at what the defense was cheated towards, and go away from that.

Where it broke down was in the look at the defense. I think our plays looked like read options, but were predetermined play calls. Either that, or all of our QBs were just really, really bad at making the right choices on their pass and run options. The bubble screen became this symbol of the flaw in the offense design, not because it isn't sound (lots of teams make things happen with bubble screens) but because we weren't doing it because the read suggested it, and when we did it we weren't all that good executing it anyway.

Interesting point. While it truly became the symbol of our poor offensive design, I don't think (hope) they were not designed play calls. It may be that we did not have enough check downs in the plays. Every pass route needs an alternate route to keep it alive or defenses will just take it away. We ran the same screen over and over with little or no variation. We never seemed to have an alternative play designed as a derivative of that play.

 

[Crusty]

Nobody said he isn't a decent human being. But Scott Shafer took a profession that is "results orientated"...there are a lot of good people who are head coaches who get fired because they lose and don't win enough. Shafer knew what he signed up for. Nobody put a gun to his head and made him take the job where results is what you are graded by. Ok. He is in a profession that when you don't produce results...you get fired!

He is a clueless head coach at the moment and it will cost him his job. Some of his comments this year (ie bringing up Isis of all things) are wacky, the way he acted in the Clemson game last year was classless, and made him look like a clown and his coaching on the sideline isn't doing much to change that image. He is probably a great father and husband, but when you take a high profile job and say wacky things and then don't produce results you might be called a clown at times. Not the end of the world, deal with it.

You called him a "clown". Totally classless.

 

[NKR1978]

I know he didn't build it from the ground up, but he has done well to keep it going and keep that train rolling. Which our current guy leading Syracuse can't say. He is the type of guy Syracuse should target. Head coaching experience, young, not a big name. It's a realistic get for a school like Syracuse

PJ Fleck. 1-11 year one to 8-3 right now in year two. And he took over a program in a decline with Cubit.

 

[Stern]

You called him a "clown". Totally classless.

I did and I stand by it and I am not alone. Many others who have been posting on this site since yesterday's game have called him a clown and worse! Read through the posts. I ain't the only one to call him that.

 

[Stern]

PJ Fleck. 1-11 year one to 8-3 right now in year two. And he took over a program in a decline with Cubit.

Another good candidate. Im all for it. Put him on the list

 

[Crusty]

I did and I stand by it and I am not alone. Many others who have been posting on this site since yesterday's game have called him a clown and worse! Read through the posts. I ain't the only one to call him that.

Bye.

 

[Full_Rebar]

Al Golden may be looking for work soon.

Of course, he has no testicles, but could be jobless nonetheless.

No thanks. I don't trust coaches who wear white dress shirts in the heat and humidity of Miami.

 

[Stern]

Good luck getting an OC here if he thinks the HC doesn't value offense, and doesn't trust you to convert a 4th and 1 from midfield, trailing 23 points, with 7 minutes to go. Who wants to coach offense in that managerial environment?

Shafer is going to have trouble finding decent assistants now. The way he treated McDonald early in the year was not good. The fact he is on the hot-seat now just makes it worse. The fact Syracuse doesn't pay good money to assistants overall. It's just a bad situation.

 

[rocklloyd]

Shafer is going to have trouble finding decent assistants now. The way he treated McDonald early in the year was not good. The fact he is on the hot-seat now just makes it worse. The fact Syracuse doesn't pay good money to assistants overall. It's just a bad situation.

The ship has to get righted. We're in a spin cycle. We're a P5 school that can't seem to figure out the next steps from an admin perspective. Hiring assistants with no real coaching experience at position, talking about a scheme and not having players to run it, and then running half the scheme all year (see comments above).

We need a QB to ride and then design a scheme around the strengths of that QB. Not force fitting a scheme to someone who struggles reading a defense.

 

[Stern]

The ship has to get righted. We're in a spin cycle. We're a P5 school that can't seem to figure out the next steps from an admin perspective. Hiring assistants with no real coaching experience at position, talking about a scheme and not having players to run it, and then running half the scheme all year (see comments above).

We need a QB to ride and then design a scheme around the strengths of that QB. Not force fitting a scheme to someone who struggles reading a defense.

I totally agree. Great post