Inside the Numbers - It's not even close

[jekelish]

How did I lose? 70,000 is better than 66,000.

No guarantee Melo will play another game. Lots of players and coaches in the past have had their careers cut short, including several Gophers. It's not fair or unfair, its just reality.

68,000 but who knows, right?

And yes, we know that careers get cut short. Some folks who have played at Syracuse have had their careers cut short thanks to injury. Billy Owens comes to mind.

Oh, and since you love throwing out random, meaningless numbers...22 Syracuse alums have scored at least 1,000 points in the NBA, and only 21 Minnesota players have. Oh my god, we're the winners!

EDIT: Actually, looks like it's 22 for both. Though Michael Carter-Williams will be breaking that tie very soon, so I guess we still win, right? Because clearly these are the only indicators of the quality of a program.

 

[rrlbees]

Syracuse has just 5 guys with at least 11 years in the NBA. Minnesota has TWICE AS MANY.

11 years. Nice convenient choice.

How about we use 18 years. We have 1, you have ZERO. SU has infinitely more.

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[RF2044]

900 games? That's not bad. HOF? Not bad either. Did you think John Kundla wasn't a HOFer?!

Not bad?

NOT BAD?

It is unprecedented in college basketball. No other college coaches in the history of college basketball have attained this number of career wins [other than Coach K, who is a handful of games ahead of Boeheim]. Both coaches are in striking range of 1000 career wins. Let that soak in, along with the knowledge that yet another of your arguments has failed miserably.

Unbelievable.

 

[DynstyUgrl]

I could have gone with George Keogan, 2 Natl Titles coaching Notre Dame. 2 is more than Boeheim's 1. Just saying.

And for that matter, 6 Pro BB/5 NBA Titles happens to be more than 1 as well.

 

[DynstyUgrl]

11 years. Nice convenient choice.

How about we use 18 years. We have 1, you have ZERO. SU has infinitely more.

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LOL. Yeah, of course I cherry picked the number 11. Learned that trick from the Syracuse fan that somehow thought a random 17 year period starting in the middle of the 80s was legit. lol

 

[DynstyUgrl]

18 years and could only muster 8,780 points. At least 6 Gophers did as much, and never needing more than 13 years to do it.

 

[jekelish]

How about we also look at this: Minnesota has been to the NCAA Tournament 12 times EVER, and four of those had to be forfeited due to sanctions. Syracuse has been to the NCAA Tournament 12 times since 1999.

Please don't ever compare your program to Syracuse ever again, thanks.

 

[wfschrec]

I'm not writing off any of Syracuse's players. Just putting things into perspective. YOU are the ones writing off all of Gopher bb history as completely and totally irrelevant and practically non-existent.

And I'll Take Gopher alum John Kundla as our coach. He was one of the Coaches named at the same time as that Top 50 player list came out. Something about his 6 NBA Titles?

Yep and he was only 5 games over .500 while coaching at Minnesota ... give me James Arthur Boehiem and 900+ wins any day of the week ... I'm glad you are still stuck in the 40s ... the crux of your entire argument lies in a two decade window or relates to hockey ... which oh by the way you have less titles in than we do in Lax ... and isn't that your crown jewel? 5-10 in bowl games for a team with all those titles is really pathetic ... 14-9-1 that is the record Cuse has in Bowl games ... I find it really hilarious that Minnesota has a national title to their credit only because of the timing of the announcement ... it was announced before surprisingly enough before a loss in the Rose Bowl ... they didn't deserve a title, but hey who is keeping track right?

 

[wfschrec]

900 games? That's not bad. HOF? Not bad either. Did you think John Kundla wasn't a HOFer?!

Not at the collegiate level ... 5 games over .500 in a collegiate career isn't HOF quality pal.

 

[xc84]

Kevin McHale, Lou Hudson, Mychal Thompson, Ray Williams & Archie Clark, not a bad Starting 5.

70,000+ pts scored by them combined in the NBA. Can Syracuse match that?? LOL

Ok...so they had some good individuals. We are talking "program" and "team". Your program has no (zero) NCAA championships and has been to the Final 4 only once and even that is vacated due to academic fraud. Why would you want to debate hoops? It's ludicrous. Since '80 you have only been to the NCAA tournament 11 times but of course, the NIT 13 times...congrats!

Sure, we can match the NBA starting 5 70K points and Carmelo is still adding to the total (LOL):
Dave Bing
Carmelo Anthony
Derrick Coleman
Sherman Douglas
Rony Seikaly

Even your coaches are our scraps. Look at your coach...the son of a former SU assistant under Boeheim.

 

[DynstyUgrl]

I'll compare UMn to whoever I please, thank you.

3 Natl Titles for UMn, 3 for SU.
46 NBAers for UMn, 33 for SU.

More AP appearances than SU from 1949-1985.


And I never said UMn bb was better than SU. Just pointing out things you probably didn't know.

 

[rrlbees]

18 years and could only muster 8,780 points. At least 6 Gophers did as much, and never needing more than 13 years to do it.

There you go changing the parameters again. Thought you offered up years played. Get a haircut.

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[DynstyUgrl]

I thought we were talking about how our alum did in the NBA??? So why would I look at a coaches' cbb record and not his NBA record?

Boeheim is a college coach, who has needed 20-30 years to win 1 Title?

Kundla won 6 Pro BB titles in like 12 years of coaching? Something like that.

 

[wfschrec]

I'll compare UMn to whoever I please, thank you.

3 Natl Titles for UMn, 3 for SU.
46 NBAers for UMn, 33 for SU.

More AP appearances than SU from 1949-1985.


And I never said UMn bb was better than SU. Just pointing out things you probably didn't know.

LOL from 49-85 ... LOL ... go to 2013 and then tell me how that stat looks ...

 

[rrlbees]

I thought this was about college, where your beloved coach had a win % of just above .500 at Minny, and never made the postseason. I'm sure you have an explanation for this mediocrity...

She doesn't know what the discussion is about because she keeps changing it.

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[jekelish]

I think we are long overdue for this:

 

[DynstyUgrl]

You don't like Kundla and his 6 Pro BB Titles?!

Fine, George Keogan won 327 games and lost only 97 and won 2 Natl Titles for Notre Dame. That's a .771 winning percentage.

And you may feel like criticizing his only winning 327 games, seeing as JB has over 900 wins.

But dying in a plane crash, I believe it was, at the prime of his life, is hardly reason to criticize. They call him the Knute Rockne of cbb for a reason.

 

[HtownOrange]

Last 5 years:

Minnesota 26-36
8-4
6-7
3-9
3-9
6-7
Totals
662 494 44 0.57000 (from CFBDW)
Syracuse 31-31
6-6
8-5
5-7
8-5
4-8
Totals
705 503 49 0.58035


Quick analysis: Syracuse in a rebuilding period is better than Minnesota by 5 wins, averaging +1 win/year. Of note: for Syracuse, these five years are the first five years POST GROB! Add to that the SOS and the fact that Syracuse would have won a few more games if we scheduled light (like Minnesota).

Historically, Syracuse is in the top 20 winning programs with a history of playing stiff competition.
Syracuse is +43 wins, +9 losses, +5 ties. I'm glad Minnesota fans are loyal and solid fans. However, they simply are not the powerhouse they claim to be. Not that Syracuse is a powerhouse, but we appaer to be closer to that moniker than certain Gopher fans.

The reality is this game will be won on the Texans' home field. Both teams will play their hearts out, we fans should see a good game. Will it affect the National Championship? Nope! But one fan base will have bragging rights. Naturally, it will be the Orange fan base but I digress.

I have no natural animosity against the Gophers other than on game day. However, if I was a Big 10 fan, I would be inclined to associate Gopher fans with Rutgers and UConn fans.

 

[jekelish]

You don't like Kundla and his 6 Pro BB Titles?!

Fine, George Keogan won 327 games and lost only 97 and won 2 Natl Titles for Notre Dame. That's a .771 winning percentage.

And you may feel like criticizing his only winning 327 games, seeing as JB has over 900 wins.

But dying in a plane crash, I believe it was, at the prime of his life, is hardly reason to criticize. They call him the Knute Rockne of cbb for a reason.

Are you really trying to take credit for another school's wins?

"We almost had John Wooden. We almost had Bobby Knight. Those guys were good! We also had a coach win some for another school. That counts, right?"

Really speaks volumes about the quality of your basketball program. Please, keep going.

 

[wfschrec]

I thought we were talking about how our alum did in the NBA??? So why would I look at a coaches' cbb record and not his NBA record?

Boeheim is a college coach, who has needed 20-30 years to win 1 Title?

Kundla won 6 Pro BB titles in like 12 years of coaching? Something like that.

Yes because Kundla won in the 40s when winning titles in the NBA was a lot different then trying to win an NCAA tournament ... you really need me to explain to you how this works? 300+ basketball teams in NCAA that could make a single game elimination tournament ... vs coaching in a 1940s NBA with a dozen teams playing best of series ... geee ... you tell me which is harder to accomplish ... there is a reason they separate eras and why there are really no true dynasties anymore ... you truly are an ass clown ... and on top of that if he was such a stellar coach why did he not do well at Minny? It is harder to win an NCAA title especially now ... that is a fact. This of course was after the NBA consolidated to a mighty 11 franchises in 49-50 which means Kundla didn't have much competition ... seriously get a clue.

 

[ImperialOrange]

The things you quote as fact are patently false. I was even kind enough to give links in an earlier thread which you've failed to read apparently.

Syracuse has had 63 players drafted in the nba. Minnesota has had 53 drafted. Add to that Minnesota's last first round nba pick was Kris Humphreys in 2004 and from 2004 on Syracuse has had 7.

I kind of get how you're trying to compare football history but you should leave basketball well enough alone. You also really need to fact check some of what you're stating as truth.

 

[DynstyUgrl]

Just so you know, about 30% of SU players who played in the NBA, scored less than 160 pts.

 

[wfschrec]

Are you really trying to take credit for another school's wins?

"We almost had John Wooden. We almost had Bobby Knight. Those guys were good! We also had a coach win some for another school. That counts, right?"

Really speaks volumes about the quality of your basketball program. Please, keep going.

Don't forget they hired and fired future HOFer Tubby Smith LOL

 

[wfschrec]

The things you quote as fact are patently false. I was even kind enough to give links in an earlier thread which you've failed to read apparently.

Syracuse has had 63 players drafted in the nba. Minnesota has had 53 drafted. Add to that Minnesota's last first round nba pick was Kris Humphreys in 2004 and from 2004 on Syracuse has had 7.

I kind of get how you're trying to compare football history but you should leave basketball well enough alone. You also really need to fact check some of what you're stating as truth.

Whoa whoa whoa ... this is an internet message board ... we don't need accurate facts ... come on man!

 

[marz09cuse]

Just so you know, about 30% of SU players who played in the NBA, scored less than 160 pts.

Just so you know, 100% of those players were really good college basketball players for Syracuse, which ultimately, is all that matters to most of us here.