Inside the Numbers - It's not even close

[DynstyUgrl]

Yes because Kundla won in the 40s when winning titles in the NBA was a lot different then trying to win an NCAA tournament ... you really need me to explain to you how this works? 300+ basketball teams in NCAA that could make a single game elimination tournament ... vs coaching in a 1940s NBA with a dozen teams playing best of series ... geee ... you tell me which is harder to accomplish ... there is a reason they separate eras and why there are really no true dynasties anymore ... you truly are an ass clown ... and on top of that if he was such a stellar coach why did he not do well at Minny? It is harder to win an NCAA title especially now ... that is a fact. This of course was after the NBA consolidated to a mighty 11 franchises in 49-50 which means Kundla didn't have much competition ... seriously get a clue.

NBA named him one of best coaches of all-time. Seems you don't respect their opinions either?!

He's also inducted into the Naismith Hall of Fame.

And I didn't say Boeheim was a horrible coach, or not worthy. And maybe 1 cbb title IS worth more than 1 NBA title. But Kundla didn't win just 1. He won 3 in a row, and then another 3 in a row, for a total of 6.



And there are lots of college coaches, in fb and bb who couldn't win when they got to the pros. Seems they are still respected for what they did in college. But some of you Syracuse fans very disrespectful. Not all of you, but surely some of you.


See, I have never, not once disparaged Syracuse bb.

My comments and responses are in response to Syracuse fans disparaging Minnesota bb. Making it out to be worse than it has been.

 

[DynstyUgrl]

Whoa whoa whoa ... this is an internet message board ... we don't need accurate facts ... come on man!

Patently false??? I got my info from basketballreference dot com.


And I'm not talking about the # of "drafted" players, but the # of players who actually played in the NBA.

 

[rrlbees]

Just so you know, about 30% of SU players who played in the NBA, scored less than 160 pts.

Just so you know, 100% of the Minny players who didn't play in the NBA scored 0 points.

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[victor]

I'm not writing off any of Syracuse's players. Just putting things into perspective. YOU are the ones writing off all of Gopher bb history as completely and totally irrelevant and practically non-existent.

And I'll Take Gopher alum John Kundla as our coach. He was one of the Coaches named at the same time as that Top 50 player list came out. Something about his 6 NBA Titles?

I have a Fathead of John Kundla in my man room along with his book on how to play the Zone. I believe that's where coach B. got the idea of playing zone.

 

[rrlbees]

NBA named him one of best coaches of all-time. Seems you don't respect their opinions either?! He's also inducted into the Naismith Hall of Fame. And I didn't say Boeheim was a horrible coach, or not worthy. And maybe 1 cbb title IS worth more than 1 NBA title. But Kundla didn't win just 1. He won 3 in a row, and then another 3 in a row, for a total of 6. And there are lots of college coaches, in fb and bb who couldn't win when they got to the pros. Seems they are still respected for what they did in college. But some of you Syracuse fans very disrespectful. Not all of you, but surely some of you. See, I have never, not once disparaged Syracuse bb. My comments and responses are in response to Syracuse fans disparaging Minnesota bb. Making it out to be worse than it has been.

Minny bball has been nothing to write home about since WWII. Sad.

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[DynstyUgrl]

Just so you know, 100% of those players were really good college basketball players for Syracuse, which ultimately, is all that matters to most of us here.

They probably were, to get onto an NBA court at all is a major accomplishment, so even the guy who only scored 1 pt in the NBA that was from SU can say that he scored more points in the NBA than thousands upon thousands of other college bb players.

 

[jekelish]

Patently false??? I got my info from basketballreference dot com.


And I'm not talking about the # of "drafted" players, but the # of players who actually played in the NBA.

You're still ignoring the fact that your entire argument for why Minnesota basketball is so good is that people who either didn't coach there but almost did were good, or that people who coached there won ELSEwhere.

That's a bad argument to be making.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Whoa whoa whoa ... this is an internet message board ... we don't need accurate facts ... come on man!

It started off well enough and I presumed a self proclaimed history buff to be factually correct. I didn't read a lot of the novel posts once they started to get repetitive but the nba players thing caught me as odd. Sure enough, 5 minutes and 6 web pages later I had the actual numbers.

Just for fun

Current pro players:
NBA
Syracuse 6 Minnesota 0

NFL
Syracuse 12 Minnesota 4

 

[TheCusian]

This thread:

- we have maybe one of the best coaches to ever coach college basketball at Syracuse

- Golden rodent response: we have a guy who stepped onto campus once who shook hands with a guy who was cousins with a guy who was the Notre Dame coach in the 40's and won 2 NC's and we invented cheerleading and had Coach Wooden all signed up as a male cheerleader but he realized California is infinitely better than Minneeesota and won a few games at UCLA. Did I mention coach Dungy was black and won a Super Bowl and he was here once visiting his nephew?

 

[rrlbees]

See, I have never, not once disparaged Syracuse bb.

Yes you did. By trying to put Minny basketball on a par with SU.

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[ImperialOrange]

Patently false??? I got my info from basketballreference dot com.


And I'm not talking about the # of "drafted" players, but the # of players who actually played in the NBA.

Those numbers are Syracuse 43 Minnesota 41. Not sure where you're pulling 33 from but its incorrect.

 

[DynstyUgrl]

Minny bball has been nothing to write home about since WWII. Sad.

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Since WWII?? This isn't cfb we are talking about.


AP polls didn't start til 1949, POST WWII.


And Minnesota had more AP poll appearances than Syracuse all the way up until 1985.

That's a fact.

Our 1949 team that finished the season ranked #6, but didn't get an invite, and our 1955 team ranked #11 that didn't get an invite, and our 1965 team ranked #7 that didn't get an invite and our 1973 team ranked #10 that didn't get an invite and Our 1972 Big Ten Title winning team, and our 1977 team with 5 future NBAers on it and our 1982 Big Ten Title winning team and our 1989 Sweet 16 team that beat your Syracuse team, and our 1990 team that missed the Final Four by one missed 3 pt shot at the buzzer(I was at the game in New Orleans) were all pretty good.

Before we hired Clem Haskins in 1986, all evidence pointed to Minnesota being better than Syracuse in college bb up to that point.

Then we hired Clem Haskins, and from that point on Syracuse passed us by, and in grand fashion. Congrats, I am happy for you all. And thank you for so disrespecting all we did BEFORE that time. Shows me how much class you all have.

 

[jekelish]

This is just the standard response to this person now, I think, when it comes to trying to argue that Minnesota basketball has any relevance or is even remotely on par with Syracuse, or ever has been:

 

[DynstyUgrl]

Those numbers are Syracuse 43 Minnesota 41. Not sure where you're pulling 33 from but its incorrect.

No, they are not. Go to the site yourself and check.

Maybe that site is inaccurate. Do you have any proof that 43 former SU players played in the NBA and scored at least 1 point?

 

[jekelish]

Before we hired Clem Haskins in 1986, all evidence pointed to Minnesota being better than Syracuse in college bb up to that point.

Really? Considering Syracuse had 13 NCAA Tournament appearances before 1986 (14, including 86), and Minnesota has had 12 EVER? Including just two prior to 1986?

Just stop. You're making yourself look stupider than you already have.

 

[DynstyUgrl]

This is just the standard response to this person now, I think, when it comes to trying to argue that Minnesota basketball has any relevance or is even remotely on par with Syracuse, or ever has been:

Or ever has been???

Dude, live in a delusional world if you so choose, whatever makes you sleep better at night I suppose. But we got 43 players into the NBA somehow. We didn't do it by sucking our entire history. And the NBA basically didn't even start until about 1950, a time when your own fans wanted to start the cfb comparisons from. So apparently not so far back.

But that doesn't help your argument, now does it?!


And we didn't have more AP poll appearances than SU did all the way up until 1986 by sucking either.

 

[DynstyUgrl]

Really? Considering Syracuse had 13 NCAA Tournament appearances before 1986 (14, including 86), and Minnesota has had 12 EVER? Including just two prior to 1986?

Just stop. You're making yourself look stupider than you already have.

You don't have to be all that good to get into the NCAA tournament, if you are the best team in your conference.

#6, #7, #10, #11, #13 ranked teams that did NOT get an invite to the NCAA tourney, because another Big Ten team was ranked higher.

Apparently Syracuse didn't have to beat out highly ranked conference foes just to get an invite?

 

[Jake]

You realize this isn't the Rutgers board, right? Your hoops history more closely resembles theirs. i should nuke this thread on pure principal.

 

[jekelish]

And we didn't have more AP poll appearances than SU did all the way up until 1986 by sucking either.

One school has been ranked in the AP poll 527 times, the eighth most in history. The other has been ranked 225 times, and has never been ranked #1.

Guess which school is which?

 

[DynstyUgrl]

Hey, the site says that players that transferred out may not be on the list?! So, are you counting a bunch of players who transferred out maybe?! I've told you my source. Go there and prove that I miscounted and I'll admit to not being able to add, but I've checked it several times now, and only 33 players are listed.

 

[ImperialOrange]

No, they are not. Go to the site yourself and check.

Maybe that site is inaccurate. Do you have any proof that 43 former SU players played in the NBA and scored at least 1 point?

I did check. Thats the point. Subtract 1 player if you want for James Southerlands 3 month nba stint where he played in only one game. Youre still off by at least 9 players. Where have you found that Syracuse has only had 33 nba players? Link it and I'll tell you who it's missing. I'm trying to help you out here.

 

[jekelish]

Also, since you are cherry picking the AP poll stuff up to 1985, let's go with "from 1959 to the present" and here's what you get:

Syracuse - 523 appearances
Minnesota - 183 appearances

But yeah, your argument really holds up. You guys were pretty sweet for 10 years from 1949-1959.

 

[DynstyUgrl]

One school has been ranked in the AP poll 527 times, the eighth most in history. The other has been ranked 225 times, and has never been ranked #1.

Guess which school is which?

Yes, I know this, and have congratulated you on how well your basketball program has done over the years, several times now. But apparently you do not have the ability to give any credit to others for their accomplishments. That's not a very good character trait. Makes you kind of a pathetic loser actually.

As of 1985, Minnesota had made 124 appearances in the AP poll, peaking at #3.
As of 1985, Syracuse had made 119 appearances in the AP poll, peaking at #2.


So, if Minnesota sucked its entire history, then what does that say about Syracuse up until 1985???


I'm serious, denigrating Minnesota's past only makes SU's look worse.

And it makes you look like an idiot and a sore winner. Only an idiot would say, see, we are better than they are, and they suck horribly. So what? So what if you are better than a team that has never done anything?

But you should acknowledge what Minnesota accomplished in the past, because EVERYONE knows that Syracuse is much better than Minnesota, so why do you feel threatened to acknowledge what Minnesota has done when it wouldn't do anything to tarnish Syracuse's resume?! It doesn't make sense, it just makes you look bad.

 

[jekelish]

Since we're bringing up the AP polls as a measuring stick...

One school has been ranked in FOOTBALL by the AP 197 times since 1936.

The other school has been ranked 159 times since 1936.

Guess which one is which?

And since 1980, 129 appearances for that first school, compared to 35 for that second one.

 

[DynstyUgrl]

I did check. Thats the point. Subtract 1 player if you want for James Southerlands 3 month nba stint where he played in only one game. Youre still off by at least 9 players. Where have you found that Syracuse has only had 33 nba players? Link it and I'll tell you who it's missing. I'm trying to help you out here.

www.basketballreference.com/players.bycollege.htm?sch=syracuse+university

Try that.