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[Surfan06001]

Great, now we have to go talk to that guy at the rental car place to get some info

I’ve recieved word that there’s a fully gassed medical transport plane n the tarmac at Hancock.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

That's fair and fwiw you are and have been one of my favorite/most respected posters for many many years and counting.

Perhaps the sting of the last 8 games is clouding my overall head set on the team.

That said, is it not reasonable for an elite OC to come up with something at least capable of points without a ready made QB pulled in with Fran's jersey connections? Apparently we've whiffed on all HS QBs the past 2 classes and 1 transfer and that needs to at least somewhat fall at the OCs feet.

Maybe we get an allusive capable OL coach and that alone fixes it? Our running game has been putrid as well but LeQuint masked that last year against light boxes thanks to Kyle. We can't be a one trick pony contingent on only qb1 every year and consistently expect 10 win seasons.

Agree on Nixon. His first 17 games IMO he was too pass happy (over 60%) and when he did run we had poor results. When he mixed things up well though we looked great (Clemson this year as an example). The run game is an issue with him.

But there is no doubt that his passing attack with a good QB is elite. So the question is for a school like SU is it better to be elite at one thing and poor at another, or is it better to be decent at both? As long as Angeli is here I would have to go with elite at one thing. It isn't ideal but I think it gives us our best shot at getting over 7 Ws.

There certainly will be a question long term on what happens when Angeli is gone. We saw that as a big fat failure this year. What happens in three years?

Ideally I would want our 2012 O but I am not sure how we replicate that.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Well they were bad last year too.

UNC and BC have horrible Os too. There was no excuse for those 3rd Qs.

When your D can't crack the Top 125 nationally it is insane to say anything but they stink.

There's no excuse for anything in the BC game.

UNC game I was at. Duece dropped a Duce in the 3rd quarter missing tackles and was all she wrote. Our safety play was abysmal after Grant got hurt. I think Long showed potential but he was a year too early strength wise.

 

[powdersmack]

Dan Mullen

I heard he was at practice

 

[ImperialOrange]

Agree on Nixon. His first 17 games IMO he was too pass happy (over 60%) and when he did run we had poor results. When he mixed things up well though we looked great (Clemson this year as an example). The run game is an issue with him.

But there is no doubt that his passing attack with a good QB is elite. So the question is for a school like SU is it better to be elite at one thing and poor at another, or is it better to be decent at both? As long as Angeli is here I would have to go with elite at one thing. It isn't ideal but I think it gives us our best shot at getting over 7 Ws.

There certainly will be a question long term on what happens when Angeli is gone. We saw that as a big fat failure this year. What happens in three years?

Ideally I would want our 2012 O but I am not sure how we replicate that.

So our passing attack, with an elite QB, is elite. Without an elite QB every facet of our offense has been dreadful.

My question is, at SU, is it reasonable to expect an elite QB to be on the roster every year? Can our pass happy offense score if we have a 6/10 game manager type vs the 8+/10 for the first 17 games and -2/10 level after? Which of our QBs have shown growth or potential the past 2 years vs talent they stepped on campus with?

Our RB and OL player progressions haven't been anything to write home about either. If we keep Nixon and clean house otherwise I'm good with it. If we roll out the same staff and expect different results that's the definition of insanity.

I like our current WR coach and Nunz, in a lessor role, needs to stay to protect Jersey connections. Other than that who's worth keeping based on merit?

 

[javadoc]

So our passing attack, with an elite QB, is elite. Without an elite QB every facet of our offense has been dreadful.

My question is, at SU, is it reasonable to expect an elite QB to be on the roster every year? Can our pass happy offense score if we have a 6/10 game manager type vs the 8+/10 for the first 17 games and -2/10 level after? Which of our QBs have shown growth or potential the past 2 years vs talent they stepped on campus with?

Our RB and OL player progressions haven't been anything to write home about either. If we keep Nixon and clean house otherwise I'm good with it. If we roll out the same staff and expect different results that's the definition of insanity.

I like our current WR coach and Nunz, in a lessor role, needs to stay to protect Jersey connections. Other than that who's worth keeping based on merit?

Maybe we don't know how the offense would function with a non-elite but functional QB. There was no one on the roster after Angeli who had any business taking a snap for the program this year. I'm satisfied that we got to see them all, btw, to expose the depth of the problem. But if you think Angeli is good-but-not-elite, then I think the signs were promising. (I am bullish on him, and while not elite, I think he's more than good enough to win for us.)

 

[ImperialOrange]

Maybe we don't know how the offense would function with a non-elite but functional QB. There was no one on the roster after Angeli who had any business taking a snap for the program this year. I'm satisfied that we got to see them all, btw, to expose the depth of the problem. But if you think Angeli is good-but-not-elite, then I think the signs were promising. (I am bullish on him, and while not elite, I think he's more than good enough to win for us.)

I think he's potentially elite. Last year was his first run at consecutive starts and he showed well enough. He's not Kyle but that's not a fair bar to hold anyone to. He could well be Nassib 2.0 though and that is a different level of elite. There's the 8 vs 10 reference I was giving

 

[Chip]

We've gone from arguing if this season was worse than (pick any) Shafer or GRob season, to what was worse our 106th ranked offense or our 127th ranked defense.

In reality, we're all just these guys:

 

[HRE Otto IV]

So our passing attack, with an elite QB, is elite. Without an elite QB every facet of our offense has been dreadful.

My question is, at SU, is it reasonable to expect an elite QB to be on the roster every year? Can our pass happy offense score if we have a 6/10 game manager type vs the 8+/10 for the first 17 games and -2/10 level after? Which of our QBs have shown growth or potential the past 2 years vs talent they stepped on campus with?

Our RB and OL player progressions haven't been anything to write home about either. If we keep Nixon and clean house otherwise I'm good with it. If we roll out the same staff and expect different results that's the definition of insanity.

I like our current WR coach and Nunz, in a lessor role, needs to stay to protect Jersey connections. Other than that who's worth keeping based on merit?

The answer to your question is no. Which is why long term we do need to move away from Nixon.

But while we have Angeli I think we need to take advantage. We know what we have and it could be a lot worse. I think there is more risk in throwing away our passing attack in the hopes we have a more balanced attack and a decent new OC. If Angeli were gone then I think we have to move on from Nixon.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

That's fair and fwiw you are and have been one of my favorite/most respected posters for many many years and counting.

Perhaps the sting of the last 8 games is clouding my overall head set on the team.

That said, is it not reasonable for an elite OC to come up with something at least capable of points without a ready made QB pulled in with Fran's jersey connections? Apparently we've whiffed on all HS QBs the past 2 classes and 1 transfer and that needs to at least somewhat fall at the OCs feet.

Maybe we get an allusive capable OL coach and that alone fixes it? Our running game has been putrid as well but LeQuint masked that last year against light boxes thanks to Kyle. We can't be a one trick pony contingent on only qb1 every year and consistently expect 10 win seasons.

Oh, make no mistake, Nixon failed this year. Hard. He decided to stick to what he liked, refused to adjust, and we paid the price on the field. I'm in complete agreement that he did a poor job once Angeli went down.

It's just that we have seen that what he can do doesn't just work, it works really well, and fits the Dome in a way we've rarely seen. Robinson hasn't shown anything close to that.

 

[MikeSU02]

I’ve said this before and I’ll say this again: it is not realistic to expect the defense (and, for that matter, other offensive players) to go all out when you start Joe Filardi multiple games. Or a cratering Rickie Collins.

I’m not condoning it. I’m not saying it’s acceptable, especially with players getting paid. But it’s reality.

All of that doesn’t excuse the defensive performance in aggregate over the last two seasons under ERob’s watch. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

But if you start a fifth string walk on multiple games, you aren’t getting a defense playing 100%. It ain’t happening.

Again, not an excuse and you’ll never see me going to bat for ERob and I won’t shed a tear if he’s fired.

 

[Blanko97]

I heard he was at practice

not our practice though, he was already out scouting at Liverpool

 

[CanadianSU]

How close is your source? Is this "guy" currently on a team in the post-season?

Or better yet, was he seen on campus?!

 

[swish7]

We’ve tried Dr Blitz. Maybe we need Dr Cover Two and Dr Run Defense to join the medical team?

I'd settle for 'Dr Feel-good (about our tackling angles)'

 

[NineOneSeven]

So our passing attack, with an elite QB, is elite. Without an elite QB every facet of our offense has been dreadful.

My question is, at SU, is it reasonable to expect an elite QB to be on the roster every year? Can our pass happy offense score if we have a 6/10 game manager type vs the 8+/10 for the first 17 games and -2/10 level after? Which of our QBs have shown growth or potential the past 2 years vs talent they stepped on campus with?

Our RB and OL player progressions haven't been anything to write home about either. If we keep Nixon and clean house otherwise I'm good with it. If we roll out the same staff and expect different results that's the definition of insanity.

I like our current WR coach and Nunz, in a lessor role, needs to stay to protect Jersey connections. Other than that who's worth keeping based on merit?

Imagine that?

 

[NineOneSeven]

Give me a functional offense with decent QB(s) vs. a great offense that requires a healthy quite above average QB.

I’ll say again… disgraceful what I witnessed post Angeli.

 

[VA Citrus]

Feels like the defense showed up for about a half most games. Then once they concluded the offense wasn't going to score, the effort fell off and we couldn't stop anyone. Seems like the opposite of DART. It felt like we were tanking for a draft pick. Not sure what we doing during the week to make the team competitive. Watch some YouTube videos on the wishbone and run some option to drain the clock.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Give me a functional offense with decent QB(s) vs. a great offense that requires a healthy quite above average QB.

I’ll say again… disgraceful what I witnessed post Angeli.

Agree with your last statement. But that IMO is on Fran. If he went all in on trying to win he would have told Nixon to overhaul the O during the bye week prior to Pitt. We should have gone more to a zone read O and rotated Carney and Collins. If he were getting real PT and we had a win or two, maybe Carney plays the last two as well. If not then just Collins. Fran not only allowed the O to not change until BC, he allowed and hyped up Filardi.

As to your first point, that is only going to result in 5 to 7 Ws each year. Long term I agree, but while we have Angeli we should take advantage. It is worth the risk to be great.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Agree with your last statement. But that IMO is on Fran. If he went all in on trying to win he would have told Nixon to overhaul the O during the bye week prior to Pitt. We should have gone more to a zone read O and rotated Carney and Collins. If he were getting real PT and we had a win or two, maybe Carney plays the last two as well. If not then just Collins. Fran not only allowed the O to not change until BC, he allowed and hyped up Filardi.

As to your first point, that is only going to result in 5 to 7 Ws each year. Long term I agree, but while we have Angeli we should take advantage. It is worth the risk to be great.

100% agree we should take advantage and the goal is always to have an elite QB. How about a functional offense regardless?

 

[ImperialOrange]

100% agree we should take advantage and the goal is always to have an elite QB. How about a functional offense regardless?

or any backup plan to speak of? 8 friggin games and we couldn't find a base set to move the ball behind a mammoth OL with sketchy pass blocking? We just kept calling the same plays without some under center that could run them. We saw Collins and Filardi, Carney never got a full look, and Belin and Williams are still utter mysteries. Run the ball with heavy sets and at least try something different at that point.

 

[baggerbob]

I'll play ball here as a mainly former defensive player. It's really hard to blame the defense this year albeit its become a board albatross of sorts. Our offense, post Angeli, directly gave up more points than the scored.

The defense single handedly had us up on UNC at half, the ND game was 21-0 before they touched the field, had us within a TD of Miami going into half until Pickie did his thing, had us in the Pitt game until special teams, and had us in a game with Tenny aside from scoop 6 and a late TD.

Only Duke and SMU burned us in the first half, aside from that our D was good enough every game until our offense made it apparent we were no longer even going to accidentally score points. Did they quit in second halves or simply get worn down mentally and physically? Who knows? Do I disagree with playing a 2 LB system? Sure do. BUT it's hard to play 4 full quarters and have to try and play perfect with a corpse of an offense.

If a coordinator is to go it's Nixon... hard stop. The alone will make ERob better.

Glad to see someone else put the blame where it belongs on the person who refused to do anything in 8 games.
It was run the offense his way or else, Fran needs to be rid of the person who sabotaged the season because he wouldn't or couldn't adjust with the players he had.

 

[Millhouse]

I'll play ball here as a mainly former defensive player. It's really hard to blame the defense this year albeit its become a board albatross of sorts. Our offense, post Angeli, directly gave up more points than the scored.

The defense single handedly had us up on UNC at half, the ND game was 21-0 before they touched the field, had us within a TD of Miami going into half until Pickie did his thing, had us in the Pitt game until special teams, and had us in a game with Tenny aside from scoop 6 and a late TD.

Only Duke and SMU burned us in the first half, aside from that our D was good enough every game until our offense made it apparent we were no longer even going to accidentally score points. Did they quit in second halves or simply get worn down mentally and physically? Who knows? Do I disagree with playing a 2 LB system? Sure do. BUT it's hard to play 4 full quarters and have to try and play perfect with a corpse of an offense.

If a coordinator is to go it's Nixon... hard stop. The alone will make ERob better.

Our defense sucks. 129th in yards per play. 108 last year

 

[Millhouse]

Which is interesting as I've given specific plays and data as to why it's not. What's insane about it?

Cherry picking

 

[Millhouse]

Oh, make no mistake, Nixon failed this year. Hard. He decided to stick to what he liked, refused to adjust, and we paid the price on the field. I'm in complete agreement that he did a poor job once Angeli went down.

It's just that we have seen that what he can do doesn't just work, it works really well, and fits the Dome in a way we've rarely seen. Robinson hasn't shown anything close to that.

Lax player at QB, come on. The offense being terrible was absolutely inevitable

 

[Millhouse]

100% agree we should take advantage and the goal is always to have an elite QB. How about a functional offense regardless?

We won't have functional offenses with backups in the nil era.