It's all about the Benjamins.

[GoSU96]

US Dept. of Education.

http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/

Here's a roll up of total revenue.

As noted elsewhere how schools allocate revenue can vary and a lot of schools support their athletic departments with state aid and student fees.

 

[GoSU96]

Not sure what site the linked PDF is coming from, but the data is looking at basically 2 pieces of data reported to the OPE and can be found on the Equity in Athletics site of OPE.

Institutions report things differently to the US Department of Education and the form actually allows for this flexibility. Like Oregon has close to $52 million in "other revenue" whereas Syracuse only reports between $3-4 million in this category.

The site itself says the following:

Please note that valid comparisons of athletics data are possible only with study and analysis of the conditions affecting each institution.

Not that the OP knew any of this, they may have just found that PDF at one site and linked it assuming it was accurate data (which it is, in and of itself) but due to differing philosophies on where to report certain revenue, is not useful for comparing two pieces of data within the entire set. If one has to use the site's data the better starting point is looking at Grand Total of Revenue and Grand Total of Expenses and then be wary of the "other" revenue since some of it may be athletics donation (perhaps in Oregon's case) while for others it may be operating $$$ borrowed from the university (Rutgers, possibly SU) to get the books to balance so to speak.

Cheers,
Neil

The original post was meant to show the relative strenght of the two mens programs.

 

[omniorange]

The original post was meant to show the relative strenght of the two mens programs.

Understood. But it doesn't do that when some institutions are likely including things like athletic donations, tv conference $$$, NCAA units earned, etc. in those specific sports pots while others are putting some or all of those items into "other".

That was the point of my post. One may think it does what you think it does, but it truly doesn't. And I see now that you went with the total revenue analysis which is better than the just taking the isolated data points.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[KaiserUEO]

None of them signed up for 14 games over 2 decades which were likely to be the top 14 OOC games. Stop acting like what we are doing is common place.

i think your 6th point was for JB to play a game at Giants Stadium. it would basically still be a 'home' game, yet the Orange would be out of the state.

a win/win situation.

if you give us your 1st 5 points, i think we can figure out the 6th. i dont think it was that long ago, pretty sure i remember that post. it was pre of the hodge/warrick board landmark, but i dont think it goes back to the burgan era.

 

[SUinNYC]

I'll be interested to see how the attendance works out for these games out in the Meadowlands. I can say that I never miss an SU hoops game in the Garden and the SU 'home team atmosphere' in that building has certainly surpassed some SU Football games I've attended in the Dome. Football and basketball crowds are apples and oranges of course (no pun intended), but it will be interesting.

For the record, I was at the SU/Wisconsin game in the Meadowlands in 97 and the crowd was definitely pro-SU, but it didn't quite feel like a home game to me. The Garden on the other hand...

 

[Cuseman78]

I'll be interested to see how the attendance works out for these games out in the Meadowlands. I can say that I never miss an SU hoops game in the Garden and the SU 'home team atmosphere' in that building has certainly surpassed some SU Football games I've attended in the Dome. Football and basketball crowds are apples and oranges of course (no pun intended), but it will be interesting.

For the record, I was at the SU/Wisconsin game in the Meadowlands in 97 and the crowd was definitely pro-SU, but it didn't quite feel like a home game to me. The Garden on the other hand...

Quite frankly, I think the metro area fan base has exploded since the late 90s. Even for Garden games, the difference between the late 90s and now is stark. We've always represented at the Garden but there was a time when Uconn was the dominant force at the BET. For the last 7-10 years, I think we've slowly taken that from them. Now, we blow everybody away.

For the football games, if we can have the NYC area fans come out like they did for the Pinstripe (i think the fan base did a nice job), and hopefully have the CNYers actually get out of Onondaga Cty like they do for the BET, then I see no reason that we can't have 30k in the stadium wearing Orange.

And I still can't for the life of me understand the b*tching and moaning by the CNYers that they have to actually jump in a car once a year and travel down the road 3.5 hours. I'm not looking for a cookie or anything, but I do the reverse commute up to Syracuse 6 or 7 times a fall. Its not that terrible. And if the Dome was sold out every weekend, this wouldn't be an issue.

 

[OttoMets]

Knowing people doesn't mean being able to influence them. But, I will say many many years ago (as a few very long timers will attest), we were frustrated about the basketball atmosphere in the Dome and I sent them my infamous "6 point plan". If I recall correctly they implemented 5 if not all 6 of them. Not all at once and not necessarily because I suggested them...but still, I like to think so.

Please tell me we don't have you to thank for Mr. Excitement, canned music, and commercial advertisements.

(sarcastic face)

 

[Marsh01]

Please tell me we don't have you to thank for Mr. Excitement, canned music, and commercial advertisements.

(sarcastic face)

I'd wish you would submit an updated 6 points starting with forbidding cheerleaders to start lame ass cheers.

 

[Scooch]

I'd wish you would submit an updated 6 points starting with forbidding cheerleaders to start lame ass cheers.

Point 1. Get off my lawn.
Point 2. Does like look infected to you?

Etc.

 

[Cheriehoop]

I'm trying to remember what the 6 were. Has to be 20 years ago. I think some were student seating, benches, TV cameras, not sure though. Maybe Cherie will remember, I know she was around the boards then.

I remember there was a list but I can't recall the specifics. They never answered you though did they? Did they just ended up doing them. I remember the frustration because we thought no one seemed to be paying attention.Wish I had copied them because you did repost them a couple of times on the old boards.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

And I still can't for the life of me understand the b*tching and moaning by the CNYers that they have to actually jump in a car once a year and travel down the road 3.5 hours. I'm not looking for a cookie or anything, but I do the reverse commute up to Syracuse 6 or 7 times a fall. Its not that terrible. And if the Dome was sold out every weekend, this wouldn't be an issue.

My parents are in their 80's. You think Senior Citizens can just "jump in a car" and do a day trip to NYC?

Most of the people who bought season tickets when the Dome opened are now pretty advanced in age, and may not have the ability to travel to NYC for a weekend.

This is the thanks they get for 30+ years of loyalty.

 

[Marsh01]

My parents are in their 80's. You think Senior Citizens can just "jump in a car" and do a day trip to NYC?

Most of the people who bought season tickets when the Dome opened are now pretty advanced in age, and may not have the ability to travel to NYC for a weekend.

This is the thanks they get for 30+ years of loyalty.

I can think of at least 100 people that fall into this category. Bend over fans.

 

[OttoMets]

I'd wish you would submit an updated 6 points starting with forbidding cheerleaders to start lame ass cheers.

Yeah, that's another sad one.

I've got a nice 6-point plan, but the whiz-bang staff in the athletics department could care less about its customers' concerns. As long as we keep forking over money, they're very happy to run their organization as they see fit.

 

[Cuseman78]

My parents are in their 80's. You think Senior Citizens can just "jump in a car" and do a day trip to NYC?

Most of the people who bought season tickets when the Dome opened are now pretty advanced in age, and may not have the ability to travel to NYC for a weekend.

This is the thanks they get for 30+ years of loyalty.

You've got to be kidding me. So now we're catering to the octogenarians? Its one game a year. Its financially beneficial to the athletic dept. This really is a no-brainer. Unfortunately the CNYers want to roll out of bed and have the game in their living room.

You don't seem to be quite as concerned about the 80 year olds who live 4 hours away.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

You've got to be kidding me. So now we're catering to the octogenarians? Its one game a year. Its financially beneficial to the athletic dept. This really is a no-brainer. Unfortunately the CNYers want to roll out of bed and have the game in their living room.

You don't seem to be quite as concerned about the 80 year olds who live 4 hours away.

How about catering to the "blue hairs" who've been writing checks to SU for the past 30 years?

When those checks stop coming in, it won't be so financially beneficial. Good luck trying to get people to make "Preferred A" donations to see MAC and 1-AA teams every season.

 

[KaiserUEO]

My parents are in their 80's. You think Senior Citizens can just "jump in a car" and do a day trip to NYC?

Most of the people who bought season tickets when the Dome opened are now pretty advanced in age, and may not have the ability to travel to NYC for a weekend.

This is the thanks they get for 30+ years of loyalty.

thank them for 80 years of walking to the campus for games and tell them they still will have the EXACT # of home games that they have had for, i dont know...whenever college went to an 11 game schedule.

its now a 12 game schedule but we are going to play what couldve been an extra game at home, in the worlds capital... sorry, tell em to enjoy their 6 games. they dont any different anywho.

nothings changed, except now the school has an opportunity to play where a majority of their alumni base is. that same base who likely contributes more $$ each year to the athletic and general fund then cny-ers, but cant make it up to the Dome.

 

[Cuseman78]

How about catering to the "blue hairs" who've been writing checks to SU for the past 30 years?

When those checks stop coming in, it won't be so financially beneficial. Good luck trying to get people to make "Preferred A" donations to see MAC and 1-AA teams every season.

Again, do you not understand that many of the blue hairs who make donations actually have to spend more than 10 minutes going to football games? I have zero sympathy for the locals that are going to need to make a 3-4 hour trip once a year. Cry me a river. From someone who has seasons and lives in the metro area and does go to every Syracuse home football game, its nice to be thrown a bone. Coming from my perspective, you can understand how this comes off as whiny, right?

And again, if we had the best home field advantage in the world and had the greatest support in CNY and had sell-out after sell-out, this wouldn't be an issue.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

thank them for 80 years of walking to the campus for games and tell them they still will have the EXACT # of home games that they have had for, i dont know...whenever college went to an 11 game schedule.

its now a 12 game schedule but we are going to play what couldve been an extra game at home, in the worlds capital... sorry, tell em to enjoy their 6 games. they dont any different anywho.

nothings changed, except now the school has an opportunity to play where a majority of their alumni base is. that same base who likely contributes more $$ each year to the athletic and general fund then cny-ers, but cant make it up to the Dome.

Move the Stony Brook game to the Meadowlands. Probably more SB fans in NYC than USC fans anyways.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Again, do you not understand that many of the blue hairs who make donations actually have to spend more than 10 minutes going to football games? I have zero sympathy for the locals that are going to need to make a 3-4 hour trip once a year. Cry me a river. From someone who has seasons and lives in the metro area and does go to every Syracuse home football game, its nice to be thrown a bone. Coming from my perspective, you can understand how this comes off as whiny, right?

A 5 hour trip to the Dome vs a 14 hour round trip to the Meadowlands. You don't see a difference.

Don't worry ... some day you'll get old.

And I hope the "younger generation" **ks you over just like this. Then you'll be crying a river all right.

 

[Cuseman78]

nothings changed, except now the school has an opportunity to play where a majority of their alumni base is. that same base who likely contributes more $$ each year to the athletic and general fund then cny-ers, but cant make it up to the Dome.

This point seems to be lost on the locals but its a good one. I would be willing to bet anything that the lion's share of athletic dept and university donations are coming from alums, many of which live in the DC-NYC-Boston metro areas.

Syracuse is in a unique position with it being a private University in an area of the country with no other pro sports teams. Its not a state school with a whole state behind it. It really has two factions of fans: (1) the local fan base which sees it as their pro team and (2) the alums which for the most part leave the area after school and settle in the major metro areas.

I'm not sure why the locals don't understand that Doc Gross is throwing a bone to those of us who do give to the school financially and do happen to live 4 or 6 or 8 hours away from home base.

And for the record, I think the Syracuse area does a great job supporting its athletics. They have made it their pro team and I think they do a great job supporting it. But one game a year in a more centralized location for their alums isn't really too much to ask.

 

[Cuseman78]

A 5 hour trip to the Dome vs a 14 hour round trip to the Meadowlands. You don't see a difference.

Don't worry ... some day you'll get old.

And I hope the "younger generation" **ks you over just like this. Then you'll be crying a river all right.

You don't think its round trip for me too? And 14 hour round trip? Thats absurd.

 

[Marsh01]

You don't think its round trip for me too? And 14 hour round trip? Thats absurd.

I think he is referring to driving and game time ++++

 

[OrangeXtreme]

You don't think its round trip for me too? And 14 hour round trip? Thats absurd.

You're not in your 80's. How many times do you think my Dad has to take a leak between Syracuse and NJ?

I can make the Meadowlands from my house in 3.5 hours. With my 80 year old parents in the car it takes a bit longer.

 

[Cuseman78]

I think he is referring to driving and game time ++++

Even still -- don't I have to do the same thing when I go up to the Dome for football games? I have to turn around and get back home. He's not getting any sympathy from someone who does it 7 times a year

 

[Cuseman78]

You're not in your 80's. How many times do you think my Dad has to take a leak between Syracuse and NJ?

Haha, fair point