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It's nice to finally be proud about some offensive stats...

TheCusian said:
They did in the game thread. I thought about it once they put in their #2.

The difference is Shafer said he thought we could comeback and it was impossible. Babers says it and we've already seen them score two TD in 5 min.
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There is no spin to make this okay. The game was over and everyone knew it. Eric should not have been int he game.
 
SWC75 said:
...If you gain a lot of yards and score a lot, you gained a lot of yards and scored a lot.
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So you really think the offense performed well because they scored 28 points in 18 possessions? Did you see the 11 punts and multiple possessions where they failed to gain a yard?
 
SWC75 said:
When they announce today's scores, do they announce the points per possession? Contributory stats can show where you need improvement, (and we certainly do), but they don't decide games. If you gain a lot of yards and score a lot, you gained a lot of yards and scored a lot.
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They do decide games. Points per possession leads to total points.
 
There is no hard and fast rule as to when a player is taken out of a game . If the medical staff says he's good to go , then it's just up to the coach and that's is the way it always has been .
 
Perhaps he left Dungey in because he's learning the system still, and will be all year. We all go gaga when they make a bowl game and get that extra practice, and we know how valuable that is. It.goes doubly for running the system vs. a live defense, as opposed to your scout team in practice.
 
SWC75 said:
I'll toss you another one: Last year Shafer was pilloried for having Dungey in the Louisville game long after it had been decided. Why aren't people talking about that now?
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Because until they went up by more than 14 or 17, it felt to me like we could make it a game. We could move the ball on them.
 
skurey said:
They do decide games. Points per possession leads to total points.
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And total points are what decide the games, regardless of how you produce them. Contributory stats are only important because they produce bottom line results. They are not more important than bottom-line results.

Greater efficiency will produce even more yards and points. It doesn't mane that the yards and points we got are not substantial.
 
CousCuse said:
There is no hard and fast rule as to when a player is taken out of a game . If the medical staff says he's good to go , then it's just up to the coach and that's is the way it always has been .
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Does that mean that the coach's decision cannot be questioned by the fans?
 
SWC75 said:
When they announce today's scores, do they announce the points per possession? Contributory stats can show where you need improvement, (and we certainly do), but they don't decide games. If you gain a lot of yards and score a lot, you gained a lot of yards and scored a lot.
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And the flipside is due to the way you did it the opposing team had many more plays/possessions and gained alot more yards and scored alot more points. Pace of play is a real modifier not imagined.

Additionally, the only statistic that decides games is the score and our 28 was beat by their 62.
 
SWC75 said:
Does that mean that the coach's decision cannot be questioned by the fans?
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If the criticism is applied ad hoc it makes it seem like it is an excuse to undermine the coach .
 
GoSU96 said:
Irony here is that people who gripped about epic beatdowns and meathead punters are dismissive of an epic beatdown and a team that is 10th in punts per game with 7 per.

Not going to get hung up on it, Lville was an excellent defense last year and returned most of those guys.

While the defense is a real problem the more immediate issue is the offense.

If you are going to play this style you need to be better than 5.56 yds per play, you need to be better than 43% on 3rd down, and you need to score more than 30pts per game, because otherwise all you are doing is what Shafer tried to avoid, giving the opponent the opportunity to blow you out early.

One encouraging thing is the low number of TO's given the number of plays.

They get to 6.5 per play and 49% things will be radically different. Total yards will be there, 3 and outs will be cut way down, and the points will be there.
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If 62-28 is an epic best down, what is 62-0?

Just trying to get categories straight
 
GoSU96 said:
Irony here is that people who gripped about epic beatdowns and meathead punters are dismissive of an epic beatdown and a team that is 10th in punts per game with 7 per.

Not going to get hung up on it, Lville was an excellent defense last year and returned most of those guys.

While the defense is a real problem the more immediate issue is the offense.

If you are going to play this style you need to be better than 5.56 yds per play, you need to be better than 43% on 3rd down, and you need to score more than 30pts per game, because otherwise all you are doing is what Shafer tried to avoid, giving the opponent the opportunity to blow you out early.

One encouraging thing is the low number of TO's given the number of plays.

They get to 6.5 per play and 49% things will be radically different. Total yards will be there, 3 and outs will be cut way down, and the points will be there.
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One had the opponent score 2.2x more points, the other was infinity
 
Game 2, Year 1...USF & UConn games will give us better idea of where this program is in relation to previous years. I hope our team plays with a chip on their shoulders vs USF. We need more data points before stats mean anything to me.

Next.
 
chakka3421 said:
Game 2, Year 1...USF & UConn games will give us better idea of where this program is in relation to previous years. I hope our team plays with a chip on their shoulders vs USF. We need more data points before stats mean anything to me.

Next.
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Agree. 1 game agains FCS and 1 game against a team that will be top 10 next week, we have no idea where we really are until we play some peer teams.
 
GoSU96 said:
Aren't they both?
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I'd probably give them separate categories but what do I know.
 
Louie and Bouie said:
And the flipside is due to the way you did it the opposing team had many more plays/possessions and gained alot more yards and scored alot more points. Pace of play is a real modifier not imagined.

Additionally, the only statistic that decides games is the score and our 28 was beat by their 62.
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I agree that our offense can't disguise a bad defense as well as a more plodding approach. It doesn't make the defense bad and improving the defense is thus a separate issue.

Basically, what I am saying about the offense is that it is wrong to treat 28 points and 400 yards against a defense with several NFL caliber players in it is meaningless because the rate of yards or points per possession is low. Rather the low rates indicate that we could gain a lot more yards and score a lot more points if we were more efficient. The fact that we could produce what we did while being inefficent is actually encouraging.
 
chakka3421 said:
Game 2, Year 1...USF & UConn games will give us better idea of where this program is in relation to previous years. I hope our team plays with a chip on their shoulders vs USF. We need more data points before stats mean anything to me.

Next.
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Neither of those defenses are anywhere near what LVille's is in terms of talent, so I hope we don't make them look like legit.

On defense, once again, it's all about containing a mobile QB and not getting beat over the top. I'd rather see us give up 4-6 yard chunks than 72 on the first play of the game. It's deflating.
 
SWC75 said:
I agree that our offense can't disguise a bad defense as well as a more plodding approach. It doesn't make the defense bad and improving the defense is thus a separate issue.

Basically, what I am saying about the offense is that it is wrong to treat 28 points and 400 yards against a defense with several NFL caliber players in it is meaningless because the rate of yards or points per possession is low. Rather the low rates indicate that we could gain a lot more yards and score a lot more points if we were more efficient. The fact that we could produce what we did while being inefficent is actually encouraging.
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I'm looking at that game like it was two games. Both teams played so fast it was like two ordinary 31-14 losses in one. This is overstating it, it wasn't that fast but you get my point
 
dasher said:
There is no spin to make this okay. The game was over and everyone knew it. Eric should not have been int he game.
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I thought he left him in one series too long, but one could make the argument that in order to improve this offense, it needs as many reps as possible.
 
dasher said:
There is no spin to make this okay. The game was over and everyone knew it. Eric should not have been int he game.
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I think he was off by one series. And I think Dungey needs reps in this system.
 
donniesyracuse said:
So you really think the offense performed well because they scored 28 points in 18 possessions? Did you see the 11 punts and multiple possessions where they failed to gain a yard?
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You want efficiency and yards/scoring. And they usually go hand in hand. But if you've got extra possessions due to tempo, you've got a buffer. And sometimes that will be enough to win some games.

Efficiency will come.
 

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