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Its time for Wildhack to step up

It is 2018 not 2005 that is nothing especially vs one of the worst ads in the nation
Even SEC games are high scoring half the time now.

People need to realize that scoring in the 30’s isn’t special.

Even more damning is how many plays we run to get those points. We’re not very efficient.

Our offense is a few good long drives. A short field drive or two. Then a whole bunch of 3 and outs and stalled out drives.
 
41 was on the ground almost every play during those crucial drives. 25 gets eaten up a lot too. Scary thing is, when they sub DTs, things go south. It’s clear 85 can’t hold up in the trenches. They really need some grad transfer LBs and DTs next season or else there’s going to be more of the same.
 
As weird as it sounds imo the defense played well enough to win. The offense needs to click better.

I actually don't put this on Ward. These guys have to make some plays. They are there for the tackles and either take an awful angle, missed a tackle, get swallowed up and can't shed the blocker, or make the tackle, but let the runner push them another 2-3 yards after contact. It's looking like we had some misses at LB and it's coming back to haunt us. Also, Kayton Samuels is missed. He was a good run stuffer.

I agree. THe offense stalls with 3-5 consecutive three & outs and that crushes the defense.

The offense vanished in the second quarter today and the third quarter last week.

The 90-120 second 3&outs kill the defense. That’s one of the reasons I’d like to see more rotating at the LB spot.
 
Even SEC games are high scoring half the time now.

People need to realize that scoring in the 30’s isn’t special.

Even more damning is how many plays we run to get those points. We’re not very efficient.

Our offense is a few good long drives. A short field drive or two. Then a whole bunch of 3 and outs and stalled out drives.
It’s because now it’s year 3 and the running game just isn’t working. They need to redesign it and get better players involved.
 
They did sell out on the run. Nobody could make a play. Defense made a huge play in the 4th quarter with us up 3 they came up with a huge sack fumble giving us the ball in Pitt territory. If the offense can get a TD there it forces Pitt to pass.

What about the last two drives? PITT simply ran it down our throats put in Shy, Fagan anyone but we stayed with same configuration and got gashed like Rutgers. Either Ward or the starting lbs need to go its clear there not getting the job done what more do u need to see.
 
I mean this with all due respect to my admin friends it's time for the AD to demand Babers go in another direction when it comes to the DC. Ward has had some nice showings but the last two weeks are the last straw. Two teams who clearly have zero intention of throwing the ball just absolutely gashing us. If the starters aren't getting it done make a move, there's 10+ lbs on the roster. The last two drives by Pitt were an absolute embarrasement. Zero completed passes and yet they moved the ball at will. Enough with the excuses a change is needed, period.

I don't know that this was entirely the DC's fault. We were always going to be suspect against the run this year.
 
What about the last two drives? PITT simply ran it down our throats put in Shy, Fagan anyone but we stayed with same configuration and got gashed like Rutgers. Either Ward or the starting lbs need to go its clear there not getting the job done what more do u need to see.
Shy got hurt today on the kick off after the safety.
 
I don't know that this was entirely the DC's fault. We were always going to be suspect against the run this year.

How about a run blitz a bear defense, selling out to stop the run something/anything. Instead we sat there and Dino/Ward watched us get gashed over and over again. If we're being fair that was Virginia under Shafer part 2. Dino had a great win vs FSu this year but it's just like year 1 vs Va tech and Clemson year 2, great wins but we follow them up with bad losses. Again I like Babers but at what point do we start asking for better results?
 
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Even SEC games are high scoring half the time now.

People need to realize that scoring in the 30’s isn’t special.

Even more damning is how many plays we run to get those points. We’re not very efficient.

Our offense is a few good long drives. A short field drive or two. Then a whole bunch of 3 and outs and stalled out drives.

Primarily because we have no mid-range passing game, due both to the QB and the WRs
 
How about a run blitz a bear defense, selling out to stop the run something/anything. Instead we sat there and Dino/Ward watched us get gashed over and over again. If we're being fair that was Virginia under Shafer part 2. Dino had a great win vs FSu this year but it's just like year 1 vs Va tech and Clemson year 2, great wins but we follow them up with bad losses. Again I like Babers but at what point do we start asking for better?

We followed up Clemson last year with Miami. What the hell are you talking about?
 
What about the last two drives? PITT simply ran it down our throats put in Shy, Fagan anyone but we stayed with same configuration and got gashed like Rutgers. Either Ward or the starting lbs need to go its clear there not getting the job done what more do u need to see.

He loaded the box and was even blitzing. The Lb's were getting destroyed and when someone did make contact they would pick up 3-4 yard after contact. I am totally fine with seeing what is behind these guys. It can't be much worse and at least you will be getting some young guys experience.
 
Just to clarify I'm talking about a DC change not Babers, I'm not crazy.
 
I agree with the OP about our disappointing D. Getting big-boyed by a bottom-feeder like Pitt is no fun to watch. Looking at the bigger picture, however, it's clear that expectations are running ahead of team talent.

Even with a few upstart freshmen playing, we have glaring deficiencies all over the field. Two of the three offensive skill positions - WR and RB - are bottom of the ACC, as are two of the three defensive positions - secondary and LB's. We have one good cover corner and our run support is inconsistent. Our secondary problems have been masked by a good DL and a potent pass-rush. But realistically, we can't expect to win consistently in the ACC with holes at multiple skill positions on both sides of the ball.

As far as this game goes, it was not on Dungey. Yes he got stripped and made a poor decision at the end. But the 37 points we scored came mostly from his playmaking, not talent at the RB or WR positions. With a big fast RB and a speedy receiver, in this scheme, we'd have scored 50+. And with one or two decent LBs, Pitt would have scored one TD. Instead, like Clemson, they just stepped on us - on multiple drives with no passing. On all but two plays during those drives (one by Armstrong and one by Trill), our LB's got blown away and our safeties either couldn't stop - or couldn't catch - their big runners. Ollison, alone, ran for almost 200 yards with an 8 yard average. You're not going to win giving up numbers like that, especially with one playmaker on offense.

Are these problems scheme (Ward) or talent? I think it's the latter. Meanwhile, as Babers re-stocks the skill positions, I will enjoy seeing Dungey compete. Probably a 6-6 season and a marginal bowl. Not only has he been fun to watch, it's amazing what he's able to accomplish with a limited running game and pretty much no one to throw to. Howard and Neal did what they could. But at the end of the day - like many other positions - they're too small and too slow to put us over the top.
 
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We have been getting little bits of yardage all year. We were 59th in nation in ypp going into this game and will be even worse when week complete. Look at the stats before you comment

I’m sorry. Not 8 billion. Like 42 points a game. With great special teams. Meaning teams have to go a looooong way to score. In this specific game, we failed in all aspects. But still scored 37. Tough loss to pin on the guys scoring points.
 
Just to clarify I'm talking about a DC change not Babers, I'm not crazy.
I assumed that's what you mean. But I'm guessing if ADJW stepped in and told him to replace a coach, it might have Dino looking for other employment options.
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I assumed that's what you mean. But I'm guessing if ADJW stepped in and told him to replace a coach, it might have Dino looking for other employment options. View attachment 141289
Well, if he reacted that way, then so be it. Anyone who works in an organization has to understand who the boss is.
 
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Just to clarify I'm talking about a DC change not Babers, I'm not crazy.
Yeah but if the ad forces Babers to fire his dc do you think Babers will just take it? For better or for worse Babers is the only thing standing between this program and life support. If he can’t turn this thing around we are done. Forcing him to fire a coordinater would seem like crossing a line.
 

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