JB Coaching Not To Lose...

[KingOtis]

Really? You just really have that hard of a time admitting that there have been more successful coaches than Jim Boeheim? That’s all I’m trying to say. I’m not trying to say he’s a bad coach!

Fine, the tournament expanded to 64 in ’85. I’m assuming that’s the 84-85 season and not the 85-86 season. Roy Williams, Izzo, Self, Calipari, and Matta all began coaching after ‘85 so their numbers don’t need adjusting. I’m too lazy to do this for anyone other than Boeheim. I don’t need to prove my point that badly. NOTE: I’m not adjusting for differences in conference tournament settings so I’m not factoring in more or less opportunities to win games based on number of rounds in the conference tournament, or single/double byes.

Taking away data from before Boeheim's '84-85 season = 182 less wins, 6 less tournament appearances, 5 less tournament victories. (May be off by a win or two)

Boeheim’s percentage of overall wins coming from the tournament increased to 5.24%. He now averages 2.06 wins per tournament appearance and 16.7% of his tournament appearances have reached the Final Four. Compare again to the trimmed list of coaches who started coaching after ’85.

Coach (TW/OW, TW/TA, FF/TA)
Boeheim (5.24%, 2.06, 16.7%)
Calipari (5.95%, 2.46, 23.1%)
Izzo (8.5%, 2.50, 42.9%)
Matta (5.0, 1.78, 11.1%)
Self (5.9%, 2.15, 7.7%0)
Williams (8.6%, 2.76, 33.3%)

I’m done posting for the season. This isn’t productive.

Good luck. Go Orange. Happy St Patty’s Day

What's funny is that your analysis started with the discovery of PASE, yet the formula you devised doesn't take seeding into consideration.

BTW, I'm pretty sure Beilein dropped out of the top five last night.

 

[Sgt Cuse]

Really? You just really have that hard of a time admitting that there have been more successful coaches than Jim Boeheim? That’s all I’m trying to say. I’m not trying to say he’s a bad coach!

Fine, the tournament expanded to 64 in ’85. I’m assuming that’s the 84-85 season and not the 85-86 season. Roy Williams, Izzo, Self, Calipari, and Matta all began coaching after ‘85 so their numbers don’t need adjusting. I’m too lazy to do this for anyone other than Boeheim. I don’t need to prove my point that badly. NOTE: I’m not adjusting for differences in conference tournament settings so I’m not factoring in more or less opportunities to win games based on number of rounds in the conference tournament, or single/double byes.

Taking away data from before Boeheim's '84-85 season = 182 less wins, 6 less tournament appearances, 5 less tournament victories. (May be off by a win or two)

Boeheim’s percentage of overall wins coming from the tournament increased to 5.24%. He now averages 2.06 wins per tournament appearance and 16.7% of his tournament appearances have reached the Final Four. Compare again to the trimmed list of coaches who started coaching after ’85.

Coach (TW/OW, TW/TA, FF/TA)
Boeheim (5.24%, 2.06, 16.7%)
Calipari (5.95%, 2.46, 23.1%)
Izzo (8.5%, 2.50, 42.9%)
Matta (5.0, 1.78, 11.1%)
Self (5.9%, 2.15, 7.7%0)
Williams (8.6%, 2.76, 33.3%)

I’m done posting for the season. This isn’t productive.

Good luck. Go Orange. Happy St Patty’s Day

You keep changing the goal posts. You start with JB doesn't play to seed. You claim that by any metric he has underperformed. Then you then change it to "he doesn't do well compared to his peers". Then you start limiting his peers. And now finally you are trying to claim all you are saying is there are more successful coaches. I don't disagree with that.

SU had a close game against a 16 seed. It was disappointing. And then the JB hate came out in spades. I never would have expected such a successful season to contain so much bashing. I think people have such high expectations that every close win is a disappointment.

 

[thebigeast44]

Woo-hoo - mikekan is done posting for the season! I'm sure we'll all miss him...

And SyracuseFan - enough of the capitalization!

Let's Go Orange!!!

 

[br801]

There are two related things that people use to argue this topic for either side: one of these is just funny to hear and its either stated by a simpleton or a coward! I absolutely hate this intellectually simplistic argument that the apologists, loyalists always turn to. It's meant to confuse you and it works if u are not paying attention.

"Our players can't make any shots, this is our players fault and it has nothing to do with coaching"

WELLL DUHHHH, if every team made there shots every night they wouldn't be college basketball players, In fact the sport wouldn't exist.

Your job as a coach is to be there for the team & help them win when you are not shooting well right? So basically the team relies on the coach as a last resort right? The coach needs to make adjustments, game plans, Option B, substitutions and etc... basically just be effin prepared and make intelligent decisions when the players are off.

JB DOES NOT DO THIS !! Im not going to try and understand this man anymore. When he is under pressure in one and done games he completely melts down and loses any ability to think or act! I can't explain or understand that!

The manufacturing of overall record, or psa's, or tkd's & ABC'S are just a fun way of trying to prove your point. Bottom line is there have been plenty of chances to upset a team when they were on an off night were we failed.

There have been many times when JB IS JUST PLAIN OUTCOACHED. The embarassments that we've had have been because our coach failed to understand the basic concept of having wildly athletic players standing around on offense and defense while the other team has zero athletes and better shooters is creating the environment for you to lose. THERE IS NO DEBATE, NO EXCUSE AND NO IT IS NEVER THE PLAYERS FAULT WHEN YOUR OWN COACH TAKES YOUR ADVANTAGE AWAY BEFORE THE TIP.

I'm done turning a blind eye to STUBBORN IGNORANCE. There is a time when a man becomes so stubborn that he is in fact an idiot. We've clearly reached that point with blind loyalty, benching MCW and the zone or death strategy. Charles Barkley may be annoying but he understands basketball and he is laughing at our coach as are many others. No more excuses, JB needs someone to knock some sense into his thick skull.

I'm starting to believe with our infrastructure, pipelines and amazing facilities we have increased our chances to.be elite. I also believe the man who created it, is no longer the man to effectively lead it. I respect what he has done soo much that I hope we let him choose when he's done but I have zero doubt someone else could do better.

Hopkins needs a chance, he already is the coach that matters. If he falls on his face we better QUICKLY go out and PAY SOMEBODY HUGE MONEY TO KEEP US ON TOP!!

Wow. I was hoping your posts were an elaborate joke and you really didn't exist.

 

[br801]

OK let's settle this right now!

EVERYONE Be true to yourself and answer this, please.

Am I to believe that there is really anyone in this thread who believes that it's a sound strategy to play zone for 40 minutes against the the teams we have played who were seeded 14-16. I want to know who thinks 9-10 very athletic and extremely talented players should play a slow down game, when we can't shoot, have a bad half court offense and zero low post presence?

SERIOUSLY Step up right now!

I want to know who believes this strategy is sound! I want to know why I'm such a big jerk because I believe in saying the hard truths. Is it true that some fans have no clue about the game of basketball?

Is it true?

Nobody argues with the MAIN point so stop throwing stones and spewing innuendo when nobody with half a brain believes the bad upsets were caused by anything but insane coaching decisions.

I know JB makes subtle adjustments I am not blind nor an idiot. I know JB is a good coach and in fact when you put it all together he has been a great coach in career numbers.

However in the case of my above question, I'm asking everyone. What have I said that is non factual?

THE BENCHING OF MCW ALONE SHOULD MAKE EVERY SU FAN NERVOUS

Yes, I believe that Boeheim's use of the zone is sound strategy. I believe that Boeheim makes adjustments within the zone that you are incapable of comprehending. I believe the object of the game is to win and not appease the fanbase or media. I believe that our opponents are trying to win and sometimes will. I believe only fools believe there are hard truths about almost anything.