JB on ESPN2 talking Red

[Cuse_NYC]

Said Donnie and JJ had bad yrs and it cost him his job. And that Cuse needs more resources. But something along the line of it’s still on the coach

 

[hoopsupstate]

JB loves throwing players under the bus. It’s never the coaches fault.

 

[RF2044]

Not sure what he's supposed to say. He isn't going to trash his former player / someone he worked closely with for many years.

Tough day for Syracuse basketball, even though many in the fanbase look forward to change.

 

[pearl31]

JB loves throwing players under the bus. It’s never the coaches fault.

true but this is one of those cases where two things are true at the same time (and I'd add a glaring 3rd player who had a mostly terrible year, George)

 

[Briancuse]

Said Donnie and JJ had bad yrs and it cost him his job. And that Cuse needs more resources. But something along the line of it’s still on the coach

Well jb has plenty of money to donate

 

[Cuse_NYC]

Not sure what he's supposed to say. He isn't going to trash his former player / someone he worked closely with for many years.

Tough day for Syracuse basketball, even though many in the fanbase look forward to change.

Yeah, he was def doing Red a solid on air

 

[whobut03]

Is JB wrong about Donnie and JJ? I don't think he is.

 

[orangepassion]

Is JB wrong about Donnie and JJ? I don't think he is.

The problem with that argument is...Who picks the players?

 

[PhatOrange]

JB loves throwing players under the bus. It’s never the coaches fault.

Did they not have bad years ?

 

[whobut03]

The problem with that argument is...Who picks the players?

The same guy that is supposed to motivation and develop them.

 

[Irishsecra1]

Red recruited both of them.

 

[Lukeyloo]

JB claiming that SU has bottom 3 NIL in the ACC is... something.

I guess add it to the "JB says things" pile.

 

[Trueblue25]

Ive listened to JB discuss this topic in person. He thinks certain players had disappointing seasons but of course the big issue is funding. He feels Red never had a shot because Cuse doesn’t have enough money to build and keep a team.

Take that how you will. Its what HE says. But its less about attacking players and more about criticizing the program’s fundraising.

 

[Scooch]

Ive listened to JB discuss this topic in person. He thinks certain players had disappointing seasons but of course the big issue is funding. He feels Red never had a shot because Cuse doesn’t have enough money to build and keep a team.

Take that how you will. Its what HE says. But its less about attacking players and more about criticizing the program’s fundraising.

Wasn't Jim supposed to have spent the past 3 years helping Red get those resources he needed? Or did he get a no-show job with a salary and an office?

 

[phil77]

Ive listened to JB discuss this topic in person. He thinks certain players had disappointing seasons but of course the big issue is funding. He feels Red never had a shot because Cuse doesn’t have enough money to build and keep a team.

Take that how you will. Its what HE says. But its less about attacking players and more about criticizing the program’s fundraising.

Isnt he supposed to be apart of that fundraising efforts? Or does he not have that fake job thing anymore?

 

[hoopsupstate]

I think Red’s biggest weakness is talent evaluation. He has a strange way of looking at players abilities. Too many one dimensional type players.

 

[Ottoman]

I get what JB is doing. But, based on past performance, JJ and Donnie had a normal year.

Donnie needs better coaching - hope he gets it at his next stop.

 

[Newhouser]

Wasn't Jim supposed to have spent the past 3 years helping Red get those resources he needed? Or did he get a no-show job with a salary and an office?

Beat me to it - was just going to type - wasn't that part of his responsibility to use his warm and charming personality to free up some bucks from donors?

 

[LpoolNative]

JB claiming that SU has bottom 3 NIL in the ACC is... something.

I guess add it to the "JB says things" pile.

This has already been proven false by many respected insiders here and off this board as well. We are in the middle of the pack of a very competitive conference. Aka, we should have absolutely made the tournament and maybe even won a couple games this year in march.

 

[elimunelson]

This angers me. Not that I’m not unhappy already w this train wreck SUAD situation.

 

[Irishsecra1]

It sounded like they gave him a job and an office but he did not really have to do anything.
Just a way to shut him up after they fired him.

 

[Cuse99&01]

I understand Jim trying to defend his friend and former player/assistant coach but to put all the blame on NIL and two players is lame. Claiming his two best players had "horrible years" is also false. While several people were upset/not impressed with Donnie Freeman and felt he didn't live up to the hype, doesn't mean he had a "horrible year". Could he have been better, sure...but 16.5 and 7 is not horrible. Additionally, player development and getting the most out of players is one of the prime responsibilities of the coach, which Red seemed to fail at throughout his 3-year tenure.

 

[phil77]

Freeman

Freshman year - 13.4 PPG - 7.9 RPB - 1.4 ASTPG - 0.4 BLK - 0.4 STEAL 1.8 Turn 50.4//33.3/79.6
Sophmore year - 16.5 PPG - 7.2 RPB - 1.3 ASTPG - 0.9 BLK - 0.8 STEAL 2.5 Turn 47.4/30.2/76.7

I would say Donnie didn't have a real down year compared to his freshman year but he didn't have that old school "sophomore" leap.


**And this is someone who doesn't want Donnie back next year too many bad habits

 

[upperdeck]

Coach can do only so much. Player roster probably matters more.

Now we add in NIL as a large factor too.

If you don't have the horses then you need to get a better fitting roster, but that doesn't mean it will all work out either.

Make FTs win 2-3 more games.
Make plays late win 2-3 more games

Maybe better coaching helps that. we will see.

 

[LpoolNative]

Freeman

Freshman year - 13.4 PPG - 7.9 RPB - 1.4 ASTPG - 0.4 BLK - 0.4 STEAL 1.8 Turn 50.4//33.3/79.6
Sophmore year - 16.5 PPG - 7.2 RPB - 1.3 ASTPG - 0.9 BLK - 0.8 STEAL 2.5 Turn 47.4/30.2/76.7

I would say Donnie didn't have a real down year compared to his freshman year but he didn't have that old school "sophomore" leap.

He was having that leap until he wasn’t. He had a long stretch this year averaging 18 a game. Seems like mentally his game crumbled to the ground.