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JB on Keyshawn, JWill and Zubin Friday at 8:30

2003 ran with 8. I'm not arguing, just sayin'.

Gorman made 9 and Gaines was a football crossover so we had 10. Herron was an emergency capable walk-on too.

11 is preferred but 10 is still ok. 9 or less just seems like an injury destroying the season waiting to happen.
 
Gorman made 9 and Gaines was a football crossover so we had 10. Herron was an emergency capable walk-on too.

11 is preferred but 10 is still ok. 9 or less just seems like an injury destroying the season waiting to happen.

What I don't like about 8 or 9 is that it compromises your ability to practice, with a split squad of scholarship players. I fully well acknowledge that some walk ons [you mention Herron on that 2003 squad, also Andrew Kouwe, etc.] who were good players in their own right and very good shooters, who could contribute in practice.

Back in the day when I used to attend early season practices often, I can tell you that Herron / Kouwe were such good shooters who used to knock down shots ALL THE TIME in practice during scrimmages. Those guys were terrific practice contributors, but they weren't able to adequately defend guys like Edelin, GMac, Pace, etc. When you can match Edelin and Pace AGAINST a GMac and Duany [or whatever pairing / combination]-- that's when you get competitive practices, simulating what they come up across in games.

That 2012 team was unbelievable in that regard [Scoop, Triche, Dion, MCW, CJ, Southerland, Rak, Fab, Keita, Cooney, Gbinije]. Talk about competitive practices!

But defensively, most walk-ons are disadvantaged playing against scholarship players. You need 10 to run quality practices. Players like Chaz might not be typical walk ons [he's 6-6, he's got some skill], but he should be supplemental to the 10 core group you need, so that you can scrimmage effectively.
 
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What I don't like about 8 or 9 is that it compromises your ability to practice, with a split squad of scholarship players. I fully well acknowledge that some walk ons [you mention Herron on that 2003 squad, also Andrew Kouwe, etc.] who were good players in their own right and very good shooters, who could contribute in practice.

But defensively, those guys were disadvantaged playing against scholarship players. You need 10 to run quality practices. Players like Chaz might not be typical walk ons [he's 6-6, he's got some skill], but he should be supplemental to the 10 core group you need, so that you can scrimmage effectively.

Forgot Kouwe could ball too. Yeah to your point it really comes down to practice.

Having Joe, Symir, Buddy, Benny, Cole, Jimmy, Jesse, Bourama, Frank and Chaz is a good enough 10 guys for practice like you said. Add Q back and I think that 11 is enough even if I would prefer another guard. If you leave Q out I want another guy unless we have a walk-on good enough. We really need Frank to stay too or no question we have to get another athletic 4/5 man.
 

Skip ahead to 34:00 mark.
 
If Q comes back there will be 10 scholarship players. (11 if you count Owens.) The only two that use up eligibility next year are Jimmy and Sidibe. That means he'll have a minimum of 5 spots for the class of 2022, assuming no one leaves. Is he really planning on signing 5 for the class from, 2022?
 
So based on JBs comments and you know he does have a point- unless you are a program that rolls with 10 guys every night- you are gonna lose players. Big advantage then to those programs who do as they will have more depth given kids know they are gonna play every night.
 
Well, we rolled with 7 in 2010.

Which was fine, right up until it wasn't.

/ cue Ocean's Eleven "do we need another guy" meme here.

8 plus Mookie and Dash to be fair so we had 10 for practice until AO went down.
 
What I don't like about 8 or 9 is that it compromises your ability to practice, with a split squad of scholarship players. I fully well acknowledge that some walk ons [you mention Herron on that 2003 squad, also Andrew Kouwe, etc.] who were good players in their own right and very good shooters, who could contribute in practice. Back in the day when I used to attend early season practices often, I can tell you that Herron / Kouwe were such good shooters who used to knock down shots ALL THE TIME in practice during scrimmages. Those guys were good players, but they weren't able to adequately defend guys like Edelin, GMac, Pace, etc. When you can match Edelin and Pace AGAINST a GMac and Duany [or whatever combination]-- that's when you get competitive practices.

But defensively, those guys were disadvantaged playing against scholarship players. You need 10 to run quality practices. Players like Chaz might not be typical walk ons [he's 6-6, he's got some skill], but he should be supplemental to the 10 core group you need, so that you can scrimmage effectively.
This is a good point

Scoop was asked in the Podcast about his toughest opponent. His answer, playing against his teammates in practice. They pushed each other a bunch to get better.
 
Reminds me of UVa.

Will be nice to have a group of experienced players who have good offensive skills, for a change.
Too bad Virginia’s offensive sets would destroy ours!
 
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I believe it’s 5 because we can have 14 this year due to Sidibe.

Will that extend for additional years for those who use it? So if you have two kids then your number is 15 and so on?
 

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