Jerami Grant stays vs. Jerami Grant goes

[Trueblue25]

If Grant leaves this year- Where do you see him getting drafted? How do you see him developing? Do you think he succeeds?

If Grant stays this year- What'd you think happens in 2014-2015? Is it worth it? Will he increase his draft value, seeing as this year is a stacked draft?

Is he better off staying or going?

Just the communities general thoughts on this topic.

My thoughts: Until he develops a 15 footer or any sort of consistent mid range game, I don't think he's ready. Then again MCW had next to know shooting at Cuse and look at him now after a summer working with the 6'ers.

I'd like him to stay, I think he becomes a top 8 draft pick if he stays, barring injury. I think with his pedigree and athleticism though he'd be ok if he left this year.

I don't know! Which is why I posted this thread. To get the very welcomed, appreciated views of all of you.

 

[edowd26]

If you can guarantee him he learns a CJ jumpshot next year. He should definitely stay. but nothing is guaranteed. if someone tells him he's a sure fire lotto pick. He should go.

 

[jordoo]

If you are assured a spot in the lottery I feel you should go 99% of the time. If you are financially secure and slipping out of the lottery doesn't bother you and you like college fine but most the time this is not the case. Being ready really has almost nothing to do with this decision IMO. LeBron was ready when he was 18, Parker is ready, Melo and Durant where ready after 1 season doesn't mean they didn't still have to adjust and learn things. If you can go for sure in the lottery and get guaranteed money its a very sound decision no mater what happens after that.

Edit: I really feel that if fans would stop viewing these things as basketball decisions ad instead view them as financial decisions it would make it much easier on them. If you were a first year business student and someone offered you a CEO of a major corporation with a guaranteed 4 year deal plus all benefits and stock options (advertising/marketing for a player) you take it weather you are ready or not because there is no guarantee that no matter how ready you are at a later date you ever see that offer again. Sure maybe you are the worst CEO ever but you banked enough to live on for the rest of your life in those 4 years.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I just assume anybody we have that could be drafted in the 1st round will go, and anyone we put in the Association will do well. I have no reason to believe this or evidence to support it.

 

[Alsacs]

If you are assured a spot in the lottery I feel you should go 99% of the time. If you are financially secure and slipping out of the lottery doesn't bother you and you like college fine but most the time this is not the case. Being ready really has almost nothing to do with this decision IMO. LeBron was ready when he was 18, Parker is ready, Melo and Durant where ready after 1 season doesn't mean they didn't still have to adjust and learn things. If you can go for sure in the lottery and get guaranteed money its a very sound decision no mater what happens after that.

Edit: I really feel that if fans would stop viewing these things as basketball decisions ad instead view them as financial decisions it would make it much easier on them. If you were a first year business student and someone offered you a CEO of a major corporation with a guaranteed 4 year deal plus all benefits and stock options (advertising/marketing for a player) you take it weather you are ready or not because there is no guarantee that no matter how ready you are at a later date you ever see that offer again. Sure maybe you are the worst CEO ever but you banked enough to live on for the rest of your life in those 4 years.

+1

Listen, I would love for all our kids to stay, but if they stay 2 years and are guaranteed a first round pick then if its up to the player. Grant likely won't need the $$$ like others, but its decision. The ONLY player I felt shouldn't leave early was Donte Greene because I didn't think he showed enough to be picked in the first round. He barely got drafted in the late 20's and his career ended because he didn't develop quick enough. If he stays that 2nd year he goes into the league a more finished product and had a chance to stick longer, but I was never upset at the kid because he gambled on himself and atleast got some money while he had the chance. If I could get have taken the bar after 1 year of law school with a job offer your damn right I would have done it.

 

[LAOrange]

We have a tradition of having our one of our best players come off the bench so that doesn't hurt Grant. I just think his family is the anchor that keeps him here.Grant comes from a family who truly understands the NBA. He doesn't have the posse hoping to sponge off his first year earnings. Grant needs to develop a consistent mid-range shot to get a lottery pick. I say he stays through his Junior year.

 

[SUintheVille]

Look at Dion. He was a 6th man with things he still needed to work on. Then was drafted #4. With a good ACC season, Jerami could pull a surprise and be higher than we think. Then again, this year's draft is pretty good. Def would like him to stay though 1 more year. Then he'd be almost a sure thing to go at a Dion level with a good year.

 

[RandygoCuse]

I think right now he is a borderline lottery pick. I think he should stay, but I'm not sure if his draft status would improve that much by staying (although he would be in a weaker draft). I always say if you are a projected lottery pick, you should go. If you are a projected second round pick, you should stay. The toughest decision is for the candiate that is projected mid to late first round. I feel like right now, Grant is a mid-frst rounder. And for the sake of practicality, I try to look at these situations from the player's perspective. Obviously, as a Cuse fan, I want him to stay.

 

[Cuse'91]

+1

Listen, I would love for all our kids to stay, but if they stay 2 years and are guaranteed a first round pick then if its up to the player. Grant likely won't need the $$$ like others, but its decision. The ONLY player I felt shouldn't leave early was Donte Greene because I didn't think he showed enough to be picked in the first round. He barely got drafted in the late 20's and his career ended because he didn't develop quick enough. If he stays that 2nd year he goes into the league a more finished product and had a chance to stick longer, but I was never upset at the kid because he gambled on himself and atleast got some money while he had the chance. If I could get have taken the bar after 1 year of law school with a job offer your damn right I would have done it.

That one really sticks in my craw... The only thing we lacked was a forward like Donte the following year... Could have meant a NC if he stayed for his soph year...

 

[Trueblue25]

I honestly see him being drafted top 8, despite the freshman class. Jerami has proven that he shines during crunch time and we'll have plenty of that january-march.

I don't think the staff can promise him a CJ mid range shot if he stays. CJ came in with decent shooting mechanics, Grant just looks all over the place.

I think he goes in the draft. He's project top 15 right now and I think we all know he'll only improve as the season goes on.

 

[Knicks411]

Def would like him to stay though 1 more year. Then he'd be almost a sure thing to go at a Dion level with a good year.

I'm not sure I agree with that. It seems likely next years draft won't be as good as the 2014 one, which is a point in favor of staying, but no player is perfect, and the longer you are in college the more likely the scouts are to find the flaws that every player has. Certainly NBA draft.net isn't a perfect site, and they have Grant going this year anyway, but for their 2015 mock draft, the first 11 players are either high school seniors or college freshmen right now. I feel like we have seen lots of times guys come back and then either stagnate or hurt their draft stock. And hurt their draft stock doesn't even mean they get worse as players, but their is a lot of projection built into drafting, that sometimes just not improving as much as you're expected to can hurt your stock.

If Jerami is a lotto pick, I think he's gone

 

[Trueblue25]

Jerami Grant stays next year with Tyler Ennis we win the whole thing and I honestly wouldn't put being undefeated out of the question.

Tyler Ennis/Joseph/Buss
Trevor Cooney/Gbinije
Grant/Roberson/Johnson
McCullough/Grant
Christmas/Coleman/Obokoh

That is an insane team with possibly 3 or 4 first rounders.

 

[Full_Rebar]

I'll keep saying it (not trying to be a jerk), but he's as good as gone. There is no guarantee that another year will improve Grant's standing because the NBA loves "potential". As much as I might applaud (and understand) players who enjoy the collegiate experience, it's almost always a bad decision to come back for another year.

Let's look at the two best returnees from last year- Marcus Smart and Mitch McGary. Smart was most likely going #2 to Orlando last year, came back and is playing lights out, yet the Exum kid from Australia is being hyped up by some to be ahead of him now. With all of the other lottery guys, there is a chance that depending on the order of teams, Smart could easily land outside the top 5.

McGary was a lottery pick after his play in the tourney. Now with his injury this year and with Zeller's struggles, it's not a given that he's a 1st rd pick at this point.

I don't see Grant making a huge leap next year and fully expect that he will be gone in April and he'll fit in just fine in the NBA and find a career as a solid contributor.

 

[Alsacs]

Jerami Grant stays next year with Tyler Ennis we win the whole thing and I honestly wouldn't put being undefeated out of the question.

Tyler Ennis/Joseph/Buss
Trevor Cooney/Gbinije
Grant/Roberson/Johnson
McCullough/Grant
Christmas/Coleman/Obokoh

That is an insane team with possibly 3 or 4 first rounders.

Ok Mr. 40-o to quote Rob Murphy "Shut it Down"

Listen, if everyone comes back we aren't guaranteed anything. We were a 1 seed 2 times in the last 4 years and didn't reach the Final Four either time we were a 4 seed last year and made the Final Four. The regular season is completely different than the Tournament, and I don't want my team to have the pressure of being undefeated in the tournament and giving the other side an automatic extra motivation. We want to win every game, but that never happens. The tournament is all about luck and matchups if we win 1 NC in the next 7 years I will be ecstatic. This year we have a chance, but who knows how good McCullough will actually be in college. Not many Freshman excel in JB's system for a reason. I remember hearing Fab Melo was Arnize Onuaku with a jump shot, but he wasn't. I remember the Paul Harris-Chuck Norris threads. Let's enjoy this season before we worry about next year's undefeated potential.

 

[Sgt Cuse]

I'm not sure I agree with that. It seems likely next years draft won't be as good as the 2014 one, which is a point in favor of staying, but no player is perfect, and the longer you are in college the more likely the scouts are to find the flaws that every player has. Certainly NBA draft.net isn't a perfect site, and they have Grant going this year anyway, but for their 2015 mock draft, the first 11 players are either high school seniors or college freshmen right now. I feel like we have seen lots of times guys come back and then either stagnate or hurt their draft stock. And hurt their draft stock doesn't even mean they get worse as players, but their is a lot of projection built into drafting, that sometimes just not improving as much as you're expected to can hurt your stock.

If Jerami is a lotto pick, I think he's gone

I agree if he is a lotto pick he is gone.

The real decision is if he is just first round. And the positive for SU is that he is looking at the CJ model. Grant will be a starter, go-to man, pre-ACC hype, and maybe some national attention, all while being on a top five, very good, team. All that coupled with a weaker '15 draft leads me to believe Grant would have less than normal risk of hurting his draft stock.

 

[jdubs30]

Jerami Grant stays next year with Tyler Ennis we win the whole thing and I honestly wouldn't put being undefeated out of the question.

Tyler Ennis/Joseph/Buss
Trevor Cooney/Gbinije
Grant/Roberson/Johnson
McCullough/Grant
Christmas/Coleman/Obokoh

That is an insane team with possibly 3 or 4 first rounders.

That back line on defense would be absolutely orgasmic (sorry, but I couldn't think of another word to describe how awesome it would be)

 

[NovaOrange]

Unless he has a major injury this year he is gone. He came to SU with a two year plan and that hasn’t changed.

 

[Trueblue25]

Ok Mr. 40-o to quote Rob Murphy "Shut it Down"

Listen, if everyone comes back we aren't guaranteed anything. We were a 1 seed 2 times in the last 4 years and didn't reach the Final Four either time we were a 4 seed last year and made the Final Four. The regular season is completely different than the Tournament, and I don't want my team to have the pressure of being undefeated in the tournament and giving the other side an automatic extra motivation. We want to win every game, but that never happens. The tournament is all about luck and matchups if we win 1 NC in the next 7 years I will be ecstatic. This year we have a chance, but who knows how good McCullough will actually be in college. Not many Freshman excel in JB's system for a reason. I remember hearing Fab Melo was Arnize Onuaku with a jump shot, but he wasn't. I remember the Paul Harris-Chuck Norris threads. Let's enjoy this season before we worry about next year's undefeated potential.

McCullough won't have the pressure of needing to be the best player in the ACC, whatever his ceiling is, if Grant stays.

Grant would be one of the most dominant players in the country.

Ennis will be the best point guard in the country.

Cooney, one of the best shooters.

and it doesn't hurt to have an experienced big man like Christmas and the depth we'll enjoy.

Yeah, we wouldn't go 40-0 whatever. But we'd be the best, most complete team I've seen in over a decade (including the Florida and Kentucky teams.)

 

[Alsacs]

McCullough won't have the pressure of needing to be the best player in the ACC, whatever his ceiling is, if Grant stays.

Grant would be one of the most dominant players in the country.

Ennis will be the best point guard in the country.

Cooney, one of the best shooters.

and it doesn't hurt to have an experienced big man like Christmas and the depth we'll enjoy.

Yeah, we wouldn't go 40-0 whatever. But we'd be the best, most complete team I've seen in over a decade (including the Florida and Kentucky teams.)

I am glad you didn't take that like I was taking at shot at you. After I read it I thought I their was a chance of that. I wasn't trying to be rude, but I just see the regular season as jocking for March and then its all luck in March.
If Grant stays we are a top 5 team for sure, but don't forget Duke has the top 2 freshman coming next year, and Parker isn't a lock to leave as he has said himself.

BTW, best college team the last 10 years was the 2009 North Carolina team with Ty Lawson, Danny Green and Tyler Hansbrough etc.

 

[jekelish]

Jerami Grant stays next year with Tyler Ennis we win the whole thing and I honestly wouldn't put being undefeated out of the question.

Tyler Ennis/Joseph/Buss
Trevor Cooney/Gbinije
Grant/Roberson/Johnson
McCullough/Grant
Christmas/Coleman/Obokoh

That is an insane team with possibly 3 or 4 first rounders.

Man, you MUST be hitting the scotch early if you think we could go unbeaten next year.

 

[Trueblue25]

I am glad you didn't take that like I was taking at shot at you. After I read it I thought I their was a chance of that. I wasn't trying to be rude, but I just see the regular season as jocking for March and then its all luck in March.
If Grant stays we are a top 5 team for sure, but don't forget Duke has the top 2 freshman coming next year, and Parker isn't a lock to leave as he has said himself.

BTW, best college team the last 10 years was the 2009 North Carolina team with Ty Lawson, Danny Green and Tyler Hansbrough etc.

Oh no, I laughed at myself, 40-0 is ridiculous haha.

Also, I don't know that Florida team with Green, Brewer, Horford and Noah was absolutely nuts.

 

[Trueblue25]

Man, you MUST be hitting the scotch early if you think we could go unbeaten next year.

Already laughing at myself, don't you worry.

 

[jekelish]

McCullough won't have the pressure of needing to be the best player in the ACC, whatever his ceiling is, if Grant stays.

Grant would be one of the most dominant players in the country.

Ennis will be the best point guard in the country.

Cooney, one of the best shooters.

and it doesn't hurt to have an experienced big man like Christmas and the depth we'll enjoy.

Yeah, we wouldn't go 40-0 whatever. But we'd be the best, most complete team I've seen in over a decade (including the Florida and Kentucky teams.)

We would have a complete starting 5, but the depth is still a question mark especially when it comes to shooting. If BJ develops like I expect him to that'll give us a second shooter, and Ennis will be a solid but certainly not a great shooter...so who else is knocking down perimeter jumpers? Buss could, but that's three shooters (including TC and BJ) vying for time at the same position, especially since, if we have Grant, he will be getting 30-35 minutes at SF.

 

[Knicks411]

That 2012 UK team was really awesome too. They had what, 4 or 5 first rounders? And Davis was one of the better players in the last decade or so.

09 UNC was great as well. And the second of the two UF teams was incredible.

 

[Madbiker]

Getting drafted in the NBA has nothing to do with if a player is ready. It's all on does he have elite athleticism and future potential. Grant has the athleticism. Now it all comes down to does he have a couple of big games in the NCAAT. If he does he'll be gone (like MCW). And if he doesn't play that well on the big stage games, he'll be back.