JGIII

[STEVEHOLT]

Reading most of these posts I have to wonder if people were watching some other player than I was.

 

[cuseincincy]

I'm not worried about Joe or his weight. A bigger role for Kadary should help him in the long run. If Buddy does miss a couple more games I think it will become obvious that Kadary has to play even when Buddy returns. Not because Joe is missing shots or tired or heavier than he was last year. But because Kadary is a better player and the offense is more fluid when he is on the court. Joe should NOT be the player penetrating and kicking out, he should be the one (along with Griff and Buddy) that is being kicked out to. I really think Joe could have the same averages as last year on 10 minutes less per game.

 

[SUbear]

I didn't buy the Triche muscle argument, nor the Cooney one. I'm not buying this one either. It's not the added muscle mass that's impacting it. He just isn't quite in cardiovascular shape at the moment, imo. And he has not shot the ball well. That happens for players.

He has a bit of a beer bally, so yea not in the best basketball shape. His shooting, which is the best part of his game has been really pretty poor.

 

[Day2]

Also as for the tongue in cheek about being baked... if that were the case he would be a lot happier out there. He might be smiling like Buddy does

Depends on the strain.

 

[SUbear]

He needs to drop those 15lbs he gained + another 5 wouldn't hurt...guards need speed more than strength

He may have added bad weight not good weight, I think he should lose 10.

 

[eatmatsroe]

For those who don't think Joe is slower this year...

holy crap.after watching that he looks like a different player thus far

i almost had to check if the video speed was on a higher ratio

 

[eatmatsroe]

oo

 

[Geode]

What?

1. Wife said his adding weight has thrown off his center of gravity, which actually could be legit.

2. Gaining muscle mass in his chest and shoulders have messed with his motion and elasticity

3. He‘s baked

debate amongst yourselves

So, Go's wife is a chest girl... That's what I took away from this.

 

[Newhouser]

with the level of cardio these guys do (especially a guard), it is unlikely he could add fat if he wanted to.

I hear you but clearly conditioning is behind this year. All our guys looked gassed last night. Going to be an odd season we need to work on everyone being in game shape because the roster could look different every night.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Whenever shooters have cold streaks, fans look for changes to point to that must be the cause. Usually the cause is just that shooting 3 pointers in competitive games is hard. I know GMac wasn’t impervious to criticism, but he got more of a pass for games in which he’d go 1-12 (with mediocre defense) than some of the more recent short white shooters we’ve had.

The only thing I’m worried about with Girard is the turnovers. 4 turnovers against Niagara is not good at all.

Edit: I suppose I should note that GMac was also a higher percentage shooter and obviously a clutch playmaker. Point being, he’d have some serious cold streaks to go along with the scalding hot streaks.

GMac got more rope because he had that National Championship in his pocket. Girard has nothing close to that.

 

[Alsacs]

Riddle me this why did JB mention Kadary Richmond can’t play long stretches because of conditioning when the fanbase believes Joe Girard is recovering from Covid and JB has no issues playing him long stretches without worrying about conditioning?
How does that make sense?

 

[orangefog]

Riddle me this why did JB mention Kadary Richmond can’t play long stretches because of conditioning when the fanbase believes Joe Girard is recovering from Covid and JB has no issues playing him long stretches without worrying about conditioning?
How does that make sense?

Deep state?

 

[Alsacs]

Deep state?

Don’t gaslight CuseRunner it’s not cool.

 

[Trueblue25]

I didn't buy the Triche muscle argument, nor the Cooney one. I'm not buying this one either. It's not the added muscle mass that's impacting it. He just isn't quite in cardiovascular shape at the moment, imo. And he has not shot the ball well. That happens for players.

The Triche one was legitimate. He had put on so much muscle from Strength in Motion type bodybuilding workouts that Robert Drummond had to help him tone it and lean it down in the off season to be able to function as a guard. I was doing PT with Drummond during the same time

 

[OttoinGrotto]

holy crap.after watching that he looks like a different player thus far

i almost had to check if the video speed was on a higher ratio

Yeah, granted that's a highlight video, but he doesn't look like he's moving the same.

 

[dollarbill44]

Riddle me this why did JB mention Kadary Richmond can’t play long stretches because of conditioning when the fanbase believes Joe Girard is recovering from Covid and JB has no issues playing him long stretches without worrying about conditioning?
How does that make sense?

You're looking for sense in a thread where people who seemingly get their strength and conditioning knowledge from Shape magazine are weighing in on JGIIIs training.

 

[UpstateSM]

Two weeks in quarantine with limited ability to condition is going to impact different guys in different ways, too. Thats not an excuse because he's been garbage but I'm not worried about him in the long term. Yet.

 

[gmacfor3]

Football type weightlifting would generally be explosive training that focuses on speed more than limit strength. It’d be a lot of Olympic lifts or variations of Olympic lifts. That stuff would improve vertical and speed/quickness

Not if the main focus was added bulk to the upper body, which from the naked eye it looks like that is where JG added muscle. It happened to me in college, I bulked up in my upper body In the off-season and it did mess with my shot, my elasticity/dexterity in my arms, and in turn my confidence on the floor. It wasn’t until the latter third of the season that I was able to lean out some of the mass and began to play the way I did before. Granted, it was at D3 and we didn’t have a strength coach, etc. This is going to be a crazy year for everyone in college basketball, but like I stated earlier, JG will get it together and hopefully he and the team can have consistent practices and games. He’s a confident kid, but he definitely is missing the swagger he played with last year and his body language has been poor.

 

[Scott11]

JG3 dropped 30 in an ACC game and had a number of terrific games against good opponents last year. I think he deserves a bit more leeway than many on this board are giving him. To win against good opponents in the ACC we will need JG3 to get his rhythm and game in order and JB knows that, so he is keeping him in there. JG3 played with a swagger last year that we have not seen in the first two games and that is nothing a few threes cannot change. But his shot and unnecessary turnovers suggest that he does not have the confidence at this time that he did last year.
As for his body he does look slower and bigger. I will assume that is muscle and not a beer belly as one poster speculated, but two points on that. First at his size, speed is more important than added strength, particularly on defense where he is already somewhat compromised. Second he looks bigger but less chiseled and agile with the ball than last year. I'm surprised the staff didn't direct him to concentrate on agility and quickness rather than strength. Maybe JB is keeping him in there extra minutes to get him to shed a few pounds and get his speed and quickness back to where it was.
I have a strong suspicion that a lot of these posts killing JG3 will look silly by the end of the year.

 

[gmacfor3]

JG3 dropped 30 in an ACC game and had a number of terrific games against good opponents last year. I think he deserves a bit more leeway than many on this board are giving him. To win against good opponents in the ACC we will need JG3 to get his rhythm and game in order and JB knows that, so he is keeping him in there. JG3 played with a swagger last year that we have not seen in the first two games and that is nothing a few threes cannot change. But his shot and unnecessary turnovers suggest that he does not have the confidence at this time that he did last year.
As for his body he does look slower and bigger. I will assume that is muscle and not a beer belly as one poster speculated, but two points on that. First at his size, speed is more important than added strength, particularly on defense where he is already somewhat compromised. Second he looks bigger but less chiseled and agile with the ball than last year. I'm surprised the staff didn't direct him to concentrate on agility and quickness rather than strength. Maybe JB is keeping him in there extra minutes to get him to shed a few pounds and get his speed and quickness back to where it was.
I have a strong suspicion that a lot of these posts killing JG3 will look silly by the end of the year.

Agree 100%

 

[Ghost]

You're looking for sense in a thread where people who seemingly get their strength and conditioning knowledge from Shape magazine are weighing in on JGIIIs training.

Since when is that a weakness and not a strength? You're telling me you don't want 4 week abs? Silly.

 

[Ggaenzle]

For those who don't think Joe is slower this year...

Wow you forget what it’s like having fans

 

[malpearl31]

Riddle me this why did JB mention Kadary Richmond can’t play long stretches because of conditioning when the fanbase believes Joe Girard is recovering from Covid and JB has no issues playing him long stretches without worrying about conditioning?
How does that make sense?

I watched the presser and I didn't really think that JB was taking a shot at Kadary or anything like that. I thought his comment was more within the context of: It's a step up from HS to College, kids need to work harder than they probably ever did before (something JB said that Kadary admitted himself), and the lack of practice time due to the shutdown has impacted a lot of the team's conditioning. I think Kadary is probably going to play a lot this year, which is a good thing.

As far as "the fanbase believes Joe Girard is recovering from Covid" goes... unless I'm missing something, isn't that just random internet speculation? I'm not sure that JB is basing Kadary's PT on what the fanbase may or may not believe in any way, shape or form.

 

[UpstateSM]

I watched the presser and I didn't really think that JB was taking a shot at Kadary or anything like that. I thought his comment was more within the context of: It's a step up from HS to College, kids need to work harder than they probably ever did before (something JB said that Kadary admitted himself), and the lack of practice time due to the shutdown has impacted a lot of the team's conditioning. I think Kadary is probably going to play a lot this year, which is a good thing.

As far as "the fanbase believes Joe Girard is recovering from Covid" goes... unless I'm missing something, isn't that just random internet speculation? I'm not sure that JB is basing Kadary's PT on what the fanbase may or may not believe in any way, shape or form.

Apparently JB said the player who had Covid before was not a major contributor, per a Bailey article last night

 

[MSOrange]

I watched the presser and I didn't really think that JB was taking a shot at Kadary or anything like that. I thought his comment was more within the context of: It's a step up from HS to College, kids need to work harder than they probably ever did before (something JB said that Kadary admitted himself), and the lack of practice time due to the shutdown has impacted a lot of the team's conditioning. I think Kadary is probably going to play a lot this year, which is a good thing.

As far as "the fanbase believes Joe Girard is recovering from Covid" goes... unless I'm missing something, isn't that just random internet speculation? I'm not sure that JB is basing Kadary's PT on what the fanbase may or may not believe in any way, shape or form.

I didn't watch the presser, but after reading his quotes in the syracuse.com article, I agree with your first paragraph about what he said about Kadary.