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Joe Filardi

JeremyCuse said:
It's not overly surprising to be honest. A school like SU is going to struggle to have more then 2 capable QBs in the system maybe 3 if you have a very good walk on See Mahoney during Babers early years.

The problems are 2 fold for SU. The main issue is that Collins has been bad and at times unplayable. SU isn't Bama or Ohio State, if your back up QB isn't the answer 95% schools are gonna be in major trouble at this level. Similar to the NFL , very few teams have a capable backup much less a 3rd guy they can turn to.

The other issue is that the rest of the backups are all literally true or RS freshmen. SU doesn't have a Sr or Jr who hasn't been good enough to get a shot but has enough knowledge and experience that they can give even mediocre production out there. The choices behind Collins are 3 true freshmen one of whom is a walk on and the other is a Rs-Frosh who lost out on the third QB battle to one of the true freshman and has struggled mightily. Certainly fair to blame the staff and their QB evaluation abilities.

The schedule, a maddening inconsistent defense (ERob issues) and Frans uncertainty of what he wants to do has all played a role.

As frustrating as this is, it happens more then people think. Happened last year to FSU though the injury was later on, the horrific QB play ultimately imploded the team. DItto Kentucky. There was another team last year as well who was down to like their third or 4th qb at times and it was a disaster ( I can't recall who it was, I think a B12 team). Angeli was the one guy they could truly not afford to have get hurt and unfortunately he did.

They will have to try and get a better back up next year be it a recruit or a transfer or even a D1AA or D2 guy who wants the D1 experience and is OK playing behind Angeli.
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Bet Michael Johnson jr regrets transferring. He would have ended up playing a lot this year.
 
JeremyCuse said:
He's out performed multiple scholarship QB's in practice. He's struggled immensely but your way overvaluing the current QB's on campus beyond Angeli and why Fran stuck with Collins as long as he did when he looked lost.
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I just don't buy that Filardi was so good in practice ON A SHORT WEEK.

We also have game tape where guys haven't performed the same.
 
OttoinGrotto said:
I just don't buy that Filardi was so good in practice ON A SHORT WEEK.

We also have game tape where guys haven't performed the same.
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Talking about overall not the short week. Now it's about just throwing darts at the board and hoping for a miracle. The backup situation is obviously a mess.
 
JeremyCuse said:
Talking about overall not the short week. Now it's about just throwing darts at the board and hoping for a miracle. The backup situation is obviously a mess.
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But the short week matters. Everything hinges on the decision made before UNC where Filardi came out of nowhere.

Unless our staff operates things differently, in college football the general understanding is that practice snaps for your own offense are precious. QB1 takes nearly all of them, QB2 gets a few, and outside of that any QB snaps are for the scout team running plays from your opponent's playbook.

Now, maybe your scout team guy looks awesome doing that. But they're learning your own offense secondhand, and they're not getting reps and building rhythm with your top guys.

So I need to believe one of two things. The first thing is that the above practice scenario is true and Filardi was so awesome on scout team relative to however Carney performed getting actual practice reps in the offense that the staff felt he was the best choice. Or the second thing I can believe is that Nixon wants to throw but he doesn't believe in Carney's ability as a passer at all and will literally play anyone else.

Based on what we've seen on the field the second thing sure seems more likely.
 
I am curious as what Joe's plans are. Seems most on the board have determined that he should stay with lacrosse. I'm not sure he was given a fair chance with an offense that was a total disaster. QB evaluation has not been a strong point on the collegiate or professional level generally.
 
cayugacuse said:
I am curious as what Joe's plans are. Seems most on the board have determined that he should stay with lacrosse. I'm not sure he was given a fair chance with an offense that was a total disaster. QB evaluation has not been a strong point on the collegiate or professional level generally.
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I liked Joes game he makes quick reads and actually scans and processes the field. He was thrown to the wolves as a walk on with WRs running routes at half speed because the season is over.
 
Ttk.gman2 said:
I liked Joes game he makes quick reads and actually scans and processes the field. He was thrown to the wolves as a walk on with WRs running routes at half speed because the season is over.
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I think the players were frustrated with Rickie, but also recognized that Rickie was clearly the QB#1 ability-wise once Angeli went down. I still think Fran should have nuanced this situation differently. Against UNC... start Carney (to take pressure off Rickie) and have Rickie come in for relief if/when necessary. Save Filardi for 4th quarter to get some first game experience under his belt when it is hungry backups against hungry backups. Same result perhaps, but a different message to team and fans. That would be fair to everyone... Carney gets a chance, Rickie gets a lower-pressure second chance, and Filardi gets experience in a lower pressure situation. Instead, we did throw Filardi (and the season) to the wolves.
 
Ttk.gman2 said:
I liked Joes game he makes quick reads and actually scans and processes the field. He was thrown to the wolves as a walk on with WRs running routes at half speed because the season is over.
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He doesnt have a lot of arm talent. He is not the long-term answer.
 
bnoro said:
Well there is a reason he can't play both sports, it's because he's terrible at football.
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I respect your opinion. I honestly haven't seen enough of a sample size to make any legit thought on his abilities. I have no illusions that he is the next Tom Brady. Could he develop into a solid depth piece and give the qb room some stability? I do find it hard to agree that he is terrible at football.
 
cayugacuse said:
I respect your opinion. I honestly haven't seen enough of a sample size to make any legit thought on his abilities. I have no illusions that he is the next Tom Brady. Could he develop into a solid depth piece and give the qb room some stability? I do find it hard to agree that he is terrible at football.
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Talent wise he seemed to me to be the worst SU QB I have ever seen.
 
cayugacuse said:
I respect your opinion. I honestly haven't seen enough of a sample size to make any legit thought on his abilities. I have no illusions that he is the next Tom Brady. Could he develop into a solid depth piece and give the qb room some stability? I do find it hard to agree that he is terrible at football.
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He had 3-4 games and 60+ attempted passes. I don't think a single one of those attempts said "D1 quarterback".

He could develop into a solid depth piece as a 5th string scout teamer, sure.
 
HRE Otto IV said:
Talent wise he seemed to me to be the worst SU QB I have ever seen.
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He was QB for about 35% of the worst football offense Syracuse fans have seen in 20-50 years. Some of that goes on coaches, rather than his talent level. If McCord missed preseason camp with a contract dispute, was signed before Week 1 and was forced to start Week 2 for the Eagles, I bet he would have looked pretty bad too. That is why coaches normally try to avoid doing that...
 
Archbold44 said:
He was QB for about 35% of the worst football offense Syracuse fans have seen in 20-50 years. Some of that goes on coaches, rather than his talent level. If McCord missed preseason camp with a contract dispute, was signed before Week 1 and was forced to start Week 2 for the Eagles, I bet he would have looked pretty bad too. That is why coaches normally try to avoid doing that...
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The O was bad because he had no talent. Collins has a ton of talent he is just a bad QB. Filardi might not be a bad QB but doesn't have the talent.
 
Archbold44 said:
I think the players were frustrated with Rickie, but also recognized that Rickie was clearly the QB#1 ability-wise once Angeli went down.
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Unless the ability to throw it to the other team counts, he had no ability to play QB. Just because Uncle Rico can throw the ball over a mountain it doesn’t mean he can play QB.
 
HRE Otto IV said:
The O was bad because he had no talent. Collins has a ton of talent he is just a bad QB. Filardi might not be a bad QB but doesn't have the talent.
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I think the QB room was mishandled from Game 7 through Game 12 (also Game 3). Filardi was fine for getting PT. Filardi was NOT fine for starting any of those 3 games. But to say he has no talent is pretty harsh. Few guys get thrust into the situation he was. Usually, coaches try to put their players in a position to succeed.
 

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