Josh Kirkland brings one thing to the party, and that thing is

[Opus]

I hear HCSS plays this on an endless loop in his office. Ok, maybe not...

 

[Full_Rebar]

Anyone know if they still give out "The Bone" for the hardest hit each week? I remember that Shafer started it and guys like Derrell Smith, Hogue, and Shamarko were always gunning for it each week.

 

[orangencpolice]

Is it only me that loves to see our guys put on big hits like that, but cringe, anticipating a penalty flag? I think that jacka$$ John Bunting, who announced the Ped State game has made me nervous after all of his blabbing obout Keon's hit on one of their recievers. I just hope the NCAA has all of the referees on the same page and we don' dventually get screwed. Bunting was not well liked by Carolina fans either, from what I have been told.

 

[Franz69]

There was one replay of that hit where you could see the NC State cheerleaders in the background and they all had their mouths wide open, like "Damn, that guy just got rocked".

 

[CuseCrew08]

Is it only me that loves to see our guys put on big hits like that, but cringe, anticipating a penalty flag? I think that jacka$$ John Bunting, who announced the Ped State game has made me nervous after all of his blabbing obout Keon's hit on one of their recievers. I just hope the NCAA has all of the referees on the same page and we don' dventually get screwed. Bunting was not well liked by Carolina fans either, from what I have been told.

Kelly's hit early and Kirkland's hit I was actually very surprised they didn't flag us. They weren't illegal hits by any means, but the way they are protecting WR's nowadays I thought we would get flagged for being too physical.

 

[CU44SE]

Kirkland missed a few assignments in the passing D. One caused a TD and the other we were lucky that the pass was overthrown.

Didn't want to spoil the party but this is right on. Scary. That completely missed one down the field got me thinking, though-I've never seen Dyshawn go that far back. If Kirk was covering his spot, I wonder if some over the top safety help was assumed. Whatever. Just put him in position to move forward and he'll be fine.

I dont think Kirkland was at fault on that missed deep throw. Both safety's bit on the underneath route which then left Kirkland one on one with a wide receiver. If one safety goes and the other stays (he was supposed to) that is a pick. That play could have been a back breaker though, thats for sure.

 

[Crusty]

I dont think Kirkland was at fault on that missed deep throw. Both safety's bit on the underneath route which then left Kirkland one on one with a wide receiver. If one safety goes and the other stays (he was supposed to) that is a pick. That play could have been a back breaker though, thats for sure.

Somebody screwed up. He was the only one within 10 yards of the receiver. Who do you think had the responsibility - who was the other safety?

 

[CU44SE]

Somebody screwed up. He was the only one within 10 yards of the receiver. Who do you think had the responsibility - who was the other safety?

So since im studying, what better thing to do then go back and find the play. State was in shotgun with 3 WR to the right side of the formation (spread not bunch) a rb in the backfield and a TE in formation on the left side. Eskridge was lined up on the side of the WR and Desir was on the opposite side. It was a play action with the TE staying in to block (wingham was in the flat in case the TE peeled off) and Spruil was on the other side in case the rb came out after the play action (he did not). The TE and the RB were strictly blockers, but there were guys in position if they snuck out. The slot WR ran a deep cross into the middle of the field, the two outer WR ran go routes. Reddish had his guy locked up, and even though Kirkland lined up over the middle WR, it appeared he was playing an underneath zone for the short sideline or in route. Eskridge however jumped down on the deep crossing route by the slot WR when that was Desir's area to cover. Eskridge didnt even look at the middle WR running a go, he immediately headed with the Wr. After the play Desir is looking and pointing at Eskride, as to say thats your responsibility right there. Eskridge and Desir were less than 3 yards apart at one point in that play. That should never happen, it was a blown coverage by Eskridge.

 

[Crusty]

So since im studying, what better thing to do then go back and find the play. State was in shotgun with 3 WR to the right side of the formation (spread not bunch) a rb in the backfield and a TE in formation on the left side. Eskridge was lined up on the side of the WR and Desir was on the opposite side. It was a play action with the TE staying in to block (wingham was in the flat in case the TE peeled off) and Spruil was on the other side in case the rb came out after the play action (he did not). The TE and the RB were strictly blockers, but there were guys in position if they snuck out. The slot WR ran a deep cross into the middle of the field, the two outer WR ran go routes. Reddish had his guy locked up, and even though Kirkland lined up over the middle WR, it appeared he was playing an underneath zone for the short sideline or in route. Eskridge however jumped down on the deep crossing route by the slot WR when that was Desir's area to cover. Eskridge didnt even look at the middle WR running a go, he immediately headed with the Wr. After the play Desir is looking and pointing at Eskride, as to say thats your responsibility right there. Eskridge and Desir were less than 3 yards apart at one point in that play. That should never happen, it was a blown coverage by Eskridge.

Thanks, interesting break down- I will look at that tonight. Hate to blame the wrong guy.

 

[syr02esq]

I think Shafer nit the hail on the head when he said we will have to out muscle NC State. We apparently did that.

 

[Crusty]

Looked at the play last night

So since im studying, what better thing to do then go back and find the play. State was in shotgun with 3 WR to the right side of the formation (spread not bunch) a rb in the backfield and a TE in formation on the left side. Eskridge was lined up on the side of the WR and Desir was on the opposite side. It was a play action with the TE staying in to block (wingham was in the flat in case the TE peeled off) and Spruil was on the other side in case the rb came out after the play action (he did not). The TE and the RB were strictly blockers, but there were guys in position if they snuck out. The slot WR ran a deep cross into the middle of the field, the two outer WR ran go routes. Reddish had his guy locked up, and even though Kirkland lined up over the middle WR, it appeared he was playing an underneath zone for the short sideline or in route. Eskridge however jumped down on the deep crossing route by the slot WR when that was Desir's area to cover. Eskridge didnt even look at the middle WR running a go, he immediately headed with the Wr. After the play Desir is looking and pointing at Eskride, as to say thats your responsibility right there. Eskridge and Desir were less than 3 yards apart at one point in that play. That should never happen, it was a blown coverage by Eskridge.

Well I looked at the play again last night. I can't say that I can agree totally with your analysis. My view could not see both safeties during the entire play, so I do not dispute your call there.
However, if as you say, "Kirkland lined up over the middle WR, it appeared he was playing an underneath zone for the short sideline or in route." then Kirkland is also at fault because he jumped at the play fake and the receiver bolted past him. It would have been his job to handle him until he passed over to the safety. If we were in man (which I doubt) it would have been his total responsibility.
Your thoughts?

 

[CUSU]

has someone made a GIF of this yet???

 

[cuseincincy]

Looked at the play last night


Well I looked at the play again last night. I can't say that I can agree totally with your analysis. My view could not see both safeties during the entire play, so I do not dispute your call there.
However, if as you say, "Kirkland lined up over the middle WR, it appeared he was playing an underneath zone for the short sideline or in route." then Kirkland is also at fault because he jumped at the play fake and the receiver bolted past him. It would have been his job to handle him until he passed over to the safety. If we were in man (which I doubt) it would have been his total responsibility.
Your thoughts?

I doubt also that we were in man. You just can not ever require a LB to play man coverage on a WR. That would be a scheme mistake.

 

[Crusty]

I doubt also that we were in man. You just can not ever require a LB to play man coverage on a WR. That would be a scheme mistake.

Agreed.

 

[bnoro]

I doubt also that we were in man. You just can not ever require a LB to play man coverage on a WR. That would be a scheme mistake.

We were definitely in zone as Micah Robinson had dropped into the flat

 

[Crusty]

We were definitely in zone as Micah Robinson had dropped into the flat

OK everybody is agreed that we were in zone. So, if Kirkland bit on the play action he could not cover his responsibilities. The film clearly shows that he bit hard on the play fake and the WR blew by him. Just watch him try to recover.

Apparently, we had more than one guy blow his assignment. That is the only think I know that would account for the fact that the WR was open from the play fake to the end of the play.

Am I wrong?

 

[bnoro]

OK everybody is agreed that we were in zone. So, if Kirkland bit on the play action he could not cover his responsibilities. The film clearly shows that he bit hard on the play fake and the WR blew by him. Just watch him try to recover.

Apparently, we had more than one guy blow his assignment. That is the only think I know that would account for the fact that the WR was open from the play fake to the end of the play.

Am I wrong?

Going off memory, it looked like Esk was to blame because he went with a guy that was already covered and left the WR wide open, but I didn't see what Kirkland did there.

 

[CaliCuse]

Looked at the play last night


Well I looked at the play again last night. I can't say that I can agree totally with your analysis. My view could not see both safeties during the entire play, so I do not dispute your call there.
However, if as you say, "Kirkland lined up over the middle WR, it appeared he was playing an underneath zone for the short sideline or in route." then Kirkland is also at fault because he jumped at the play fake and the receiver bolted past him. It would have been his job to handle him until he passed over to the safety. If we were in man (which I doubt) it would have been his total responsibility.
Your thoughts?

Far enough over my head that I can't begin to find an opinion.A player misreading or reacting to a play is pretty much a repetitive error that happens numerous times in a game.When luck is with them or us it doesn't result in a score by the opposition.BTW I noticed a number of holding calls that weren't called against NCST. I guess the home field advantage extends with the refs as well as the crowd.

 

[OrangeTarheel]

The best answer to this question is ... Beer. He brings beer, good craft beer. That would delight me.

 

[PhatOrange]

ultimately the safety has the over the top coverage and he blew it, which he does that a lot. I think it's going to cost us big time this weekend. they'll bite on at least one where a pass gets completed deep for a td, over their head type thing where we all yell where's the coverage. just hope it only happens once.

anyhow, i feel that with kirkland, once he watches the film and sees his mistakes they won't happen again. he'll learn. this was his first major playing time.

should also be noted that we're probably going to see the true frosh Marquez Hodge a bit this weekend at OLB.

 

[baggerbob]

The biggest loss from last year was Shamarko, as evidenced by how many times our safeties have blown coverage for long scores. He was the leader, and held everyone accountable including himself.

 

[CU44SE]

Looked at the play last night


Well I looked at the play again last night. I can't say that I can agree totally with your analysis. My view could not see both safeties during the entire play, so I do not dispute your call there.
However, if as you say, "Kirkland lined up over the middle WR, it appeared he was playing an underneath zone for the short sideline or in route." then Kirkland is also at fault because he jumped at the play fake and the receiver bolted past him. It would have been his job to handle him until he passed over to the safety. If we were in man (which I doubt) it would have been his total responsibility.
Your thoughts?

But we weren't in man (which then I would have had an issue with Bullough then because a LB should never be matched up with a wr one on one), and although Kirkland bit on the play action, it would have took an unbelievably good throw and the WR would have taken a monster hit if Eskridge was in the right position. Eskridge had over the top, and was solely responsible for that deep pass, although I agree with you that Kirkland was responsible for caring coverage to the safety, he was also responsible for the underneath route, which he was in position for. As i mentioned in my first analysis, Desir immediately after the play pointed at Eskridge because that was his responsibility. There should never be two safeties within 5 feet of each other when they are playing a cover 2. Thats why I put the sole blame on Eskridge during that play. Although Kirkland bit on the play action, he was still in position for his zone in the coverage, Eskridge ultimately wasnt in position and would have been the one to give up the big reception.

 

[Crusty]

But we weren't in man (which then I would have had an issue with Bullough then because a LB should never be matched up with a wr one on one), and although Kirkland bit on the play action, it would have took an unbelievably good throw and the WR would have taken a monster hit if Eskridge was in the right position. Eskridge had over the top, and was solely responsible for that deep pass, although I agree with you that Kirkland was responsible for caring coverage to the safety, he was also responsible for the underneath route, which he was in position for. As i mentioned in my first analysis, Desir immediately after the play pointed at Eskridge because that was his responsibility. There should never be two safeties within 5 feet of each other when they are playing a cover 2. Thats why I put the sole blame on Eskridge during that play. Although Kirkland bit on the play action, he was still in position for his zone in the coverage, Eskridge ultimately wasnt in position and would have been the one to give up the big reception.

OK, I think we agree that:

1. We were in cover 2 zone.
2. In zone Josh had responsibility for the curl/flat area as Shafer calls it.
3. Esk had over the top and blew his assignment.
4. Had it gone for a TD the 6 would have been Esk's.

Where we seem to disagree:

1. When Josh bit he got beat immediately and very badly and the WR was wide open long before the safety would have picked him up. His job on a vertical was to hold the inside seam and force a bubble to give time for the safety to feel the route happening. He was out of position to do that and the WR shot up field in a straight line. Josh never had him covered within his area of responsibility.
2. The minute he got beat he started to try to recover and was not worried about an underneath route nor was he in a position to cover it as he had his hips turned and was headed up-field as fast as he could go.
3. It would not have taken more than an average throw because the WR had separated from Josh by a wide margin.
4. A completion for a large gain would have been on Josh primarily.

I grant you that a really good play by the safety or maybe a bit hit would have had a chance to recover on that play but, in the end, I think we had the worst case - two blown coverages on the same play.

 

[Toga]

When I look at the replay, I see a puff of smoke coming from a grassy knoll.

 

[Crusty]

When I look at the replay, I see a puff of smoke coming from a grassy knoll.

That's Shady Schiano.