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Judah a second round pick from BR

billsin01 said:
I won't pretend to know what the NBA thinks of Judah, nor how they make their decisions quite often, but I will say that for better or for worse the evaluation tends to be a projection so whether a player is ready or not just doesn't seem to be that much of a factor.

No idea what he'll do -- i know people hate it but i wouldn't be totally shocked if some school with deep pockets tries to lure him away with a big NIL promise -- but I will say the G-League has become a more reasonable place for players to develop and the level of coaching in the NBA in general seems to be significantly better across the board (not a shot at JB or anyone, just watching how quickly many of these kids improve is crazy).

All those options lead me to believe he gone, but I think a strong case could be made for a return so it's not something to rule out like it would have been for Melo.
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The day another school snatches a star player from Syracuse is the day I’m done following this. I just don’t see that happening.
 
OrangeDW said:
The day another school snatches a star player from Syracuse is the day I’m done following this. I just don’t see that happening.
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For all my complaints about JB, he still lets lead guards cook if he deems them worthy and tees them up to grab the opp for an NBA career.

Judah *has* improved his second level decision making which is key for the nba.

Judah’s choice should be nba or Cuse for next year and nothing else.
 
MikeSU02 said:
For all my complaints about JB, he still lets lead guards cook if he deems them worthy and tees them up to grab the opp for an NBA career.

Judah *has* improved his second level decision making which is key for the nba.

Judah’s choice should be nba or Cuse for next year and nothing else.
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Agreed, and “NBA” meaning actually on an NBA team.

G League might’ve made sense for a lot of college kids when they didn’t have any money. If he can make good money while playing another year for Syracuse and hopefully blowing up on the national scene, that’s not a bad gig at all. Would seem to be more desirable than the G league.

But if he’s going to go high enough to where he’s almost a lock to be on an NBA team, then wouldn’t blame anyone for going for that.
 
OrangeDW said:
The day another school snatches a star player from Syracuse is the day I’m done following this. I just don’t see that happening.
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I’m with you and I have no idea if that’s possible. I guess I just feel the scenario that someone gets in Judah’s ear, starts talking about how some other school is a PG away from a final four run and has $X million waiting for him, which could be worth more than a second-round NBA deal, and convinces him Cuse won’t have enough for a real run next season — I just don’t think it’s impossible. Depressing, yes. Unlikely? Probably. But I really think college sports has been turned on it’s ear. I mean ND lost an offensive coordinator who had good , not incredible success and was an ND grad to Alabama. There was a time not THAT long ago that we’d think that scenario was insane. Now I just sorta shrug and go, ‘eh, I guess I see it.’
 
billsin01 said:
I’m with you and I have no idea if that’s possible. I guess I just feel the scenario that someone gets in Judah’s ear, starts talking about how some other school is a PG away from a final four run and has $X million waiting for him, which could be worth more than a second-round NBA deal, and convinces him Cuse won’t have enough for a real run next season — I just don’t think it’s impossible. Depressing, yes. Unlikely? Probably. But I really think college sports has been turned on it’s ear. I mean ND lost an offensive coordinator who had good , not incredible success and was an ND grad to Alabama. There was a time not THAT long ago that we’d think that scenario was insane. Now I just sorta shrug and go, ‘eh, I guess I see it.’
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Yeah money does talk, but if our boosters are willing to spend millions on HS recruits why would we not spend it on our own players?
 
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The reason is simple why Judah isn’t on the main list. It’s his 3 point shooting percentage. 8 of the 10 players shown on this list have their 3 point % listed in their description. I know a lot of people are commenting about “but his stroke looks good, his FT% is 70%, and pro teams can overlook/correct it.” The slo-mo replay of his 3 pointer against NC State (yes, it was a swish!) showed that the rotation was literally sideways.

Can Judah be an NBA player…that answer is 100%! Should he leave after this year…that answer is 100% no! Take all summer to work on your jumper, get stronger, and come back here to absolutely dominate the competition all while making yourself a 1st round pick.
 
If he leads us to contending for an ACC championship he should absolutely go. He’ll realize potential much quicker in the pros than in college. He oozes pro talent.
 
Cusefan0307 said:
Yeah money does talk, but if our boosters are willing to spend millions on HS recruits why would we not spend it on our own players?
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If JB thinks Judah will go second round and have to develop in the G-league, I can't imagine Weitsman doesn't propose a massive NIL deal to come back for one more year and develop at Cuse before going first round the following year.
 
Just how much does Wietsman have to throw at this stuff.. Say he has 100 million floating around. At the rate we have him spending it across the sports he will be broke in 5-10 yrs.

You go back and look at all the donations schools get very few get million dollar ones over and over like the NIL needs to do. A 20 million dollar gift for a building is just a few years of NIL deals. You dont see many people doing that multiple times.
 
Its pretty simple for him. If he has a 1st round guarantee or early 2nd he goes. If he is mid-late 2nd round he stays.

Its all about guaranteed money in rookie contracts. Slot value makes it a business decision.

Personally, I think if he stays and gets stronger and improves his jumper (he's not going to regress) then he improves his slot and gets more guaranteed money that isn't dependent on performance.

Its really all about the NBA collective bargaining agreement with early entries.
 
upperdeck said:
Just how much does Wietsman have to throw at this stuff.. Say he has 100 million floating around. At the rate we have him spending it across the sports he will be broke in 5-10 yrs.

You go back and look at all the donations schools get very few get million dollar ones over and over like the NIL needs to do. A 20 million dollar gift for a building is just a few years of NIL deals. You dont see many people doing that multiple times.
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He won't go broke. Have you seen the cost of precious metals. The guy's wealth is only growing.
 
two3zone said:
And I’m sure his other money is making money. I imagine these deals could be advertising write-offs as well.
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I don't pretend to know a thing about making money on Instagram, but I do know people make money as influencers and he has quite the following.

That is my neighbors wife's job.
 
Athletic has Judah going 42nd to Celtics.
Celtics took Alabama's JD Davison, another athletic freshman guard who couldn't really shoot from three, in the second round last year. He has been in the G League the whole season except when he rode the bench for the Celtics when they had an injury outbreak. I think he would have been better off playing for Oats this year, getting stronger, working on his shot and coming back and getting picked in the first round.
Lot more job security when you get picked in the first round and much greater guarantees. Plus what GM wants to cut bait quickly on a guy he picked in the first round. Easier to get rid of a second rounder.
Also the G League is filled with grown men. Better to work on your game in college and not get exposed while doing so.
 
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upperdeck said:
Just how much does Wietsman have to throw at this stuff.. Say he has 100 million floating around. At the rate we have him spending it across the sports he will be broke in 5-10 yrs.

You go back and look at all the donations schools get very few get million dollar ones over and over like the NIL needs to do. A 20 million dollar gift for a building is just a few years of NIL deals. You dont see many people doing that multiple times.
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Your assumption doesn’t include new money flowing in
 
Cuse181 said:
Your assumption doesn’t include new money flowing in
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nope.. but also assumes he is willing to spend tons of money every yr going forward.

When he has enough who is gonna step in..
 
upperdeck said:
nope.. but also assumes he is willing to spend tons of money every yr going forward.

When he has enough who is gonna step in..
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When all of these mega booster are fed up who will step in?

It will not be a uniquely Syracuse problem. The only thing rich alumni love more than their university is their money, and if they don’t see a return on their investment, they won’t be around long.
 
I'll say this -- i'm thankful for NIL because in years past, 9 times out of 10 this all but ensures a player leaves 'Cuse.

My yearly reminder that while Syracuse is great and the college experience is also very cool -- it is not going to turn you into a pro better than a professional league will. That goes for every single school in the country. Being drafted or being in the G league is better for your development than college. That also doesn't mean every kid who jumps will have a better career path than if they stayed a year, and jumped later -- there's so many factors to success here, but being a professional > college player as far as basketball development goes.

I think we have a very good chance to keep Mintz (or any player, thanks to NIL) but it's certainly not a guarantee.
 
Cusefan0307 said:
Yeah money does talk, but if our boosters are willing to spend millions on HS recruits why would we not spend it on our own players?
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If it comes down to how much you can pay for a roster of players in both sports then I’d think my theory is completely true. I could be wrong — in fact I’m sure there are many people here who know more about the SU’s capability to raise those funds and willingness to spend them than I do. But my gut tells me that if it comes down to how much you pay then it’s SEC and Big Ten, primarily and then everyone else with a few exceptions. In both football and hoops.

But I’m Debbie Downer on these things. I’m the guy who gets annoyed by university fundraising while they sit on a huge endowment. I hated the acc move (from a fan’s perspective). I think college sports is in a tough place generally. So this could be me being that guy.
 
billsin01 said:
If it comes down to how much you can pay for a roster of players in both sports then I’d think my theory is completely true. I could be wrong — in fact I’m sure there are many people here who know more about the SU’s capability to raise those funds and willingness to spend them than I do. But my gut tells me that if it comes down to how much you pay then it’s SEC and Big Ten, primarily and then everyone else with a few exceptions. In both football and hoops.

But I’m Debbie Downer on these things. I’m the guy who gets annoyed by university fundraising while they sit on a huge endowment. I hated the acc move (from a fan’s perspective). I think college sports is in a tough place generally. So this could be me being that guy.
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You didn’t answer my question.

It’s not the schools paying though. It’s the boosters. And for whatever reason we are now mentioned with top end talent so something is making us competitive.

What do you think the highest paid NIL deals are for basketball?
 
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