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Just watched the game again

upperdeck said:
watching him on the sidelines in warm up he throws a nice tight ball as to whether that means good mechanics i dont know
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He played in the game so that’s what I’ve been using as a benchmark
 
dollarbill44 said:
Typically, you can't throw a tight spiral with bad mechanics.
But, lots of guys mechanics break down when they are in game situations.
I actually thought Shrader threw pretty well for his first passes in two years. The pass to Taj that got broken up at the last instant was an absolutely beautifully thrown ball. The overthrow was a beautiful looking pass, as well, he just needed a scoche more air under it. NFL qbs make that same mistake - they get excited at how open it is and rush it.

As for whoever keeps saying he throws a duck - I don't know what they're talking about, unless that means something different nowadays. TD threw more ducks (i.e. wobbly pass that goes way off line or way short) than Shrader.
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Upon rewatch for me - those two were nice throws. The others were wobbly and came from bad mechanics, IMO

I’ll rewatch again to double check. Just seemed rather blah to me.
 
TheCusian said:
Upon rewatch for me - those two were nice throws. The others were wobbly and came from bad mechanics, IMO

I’ll rewatch again to double check. Just seemed rather blah to me.
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Can you post more about the specific mechanics you feel are "truly awful." I am not trying to debate the point with you, just curious as to what you are seeing specifically.
 
NineOneSeven said:
Said it last year but we’ve got 79 wideouts on the roster yet… what are they doing all game? Nothing? Special teams? Just sitting there? Taj is a gamer who can fight for yardage. Unfortunately struggles with drops and the emotions run too far on the negative side of the spectrum, at times. Absolutely a wideout we should be involving frequently but if he’s the number 1, you need a lot more at 2-5.

let’s see if anyone can step up as the season moves on.
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The young WR's must really have issues learning the playbook or are really underperforming because its amazing that they haven't been able to supplant the starters besides Taj. Play Gadsen and anyone else Sat and let's see what happens.
 
JeremyCuse said:
The young WR's must really have issues learning the playbook or are really underperforming because its amazing that they haven't been able to supplant the starters besides Taj. Play Gadsen and anyone else Sat and let's see what happens.
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What playbook? Run a fly route? Or run an out? Not like we run crossing routes over the middle and combo routes or anything
 
JeremyCuse said:
The young WR's must really have issues learning the playbook or are really underperforming because its amazing that they haven't been able to supplant the starters besides Taj. Play Gadsen and anyone else Sat and let's see what happens.
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1 pass to Benson (they should be throwing to him all day IMO), zero passes to Queeley, most to Taj (8) and a couple each to Jackson and Johnson. Johnson looks better. Jackson looks pretty good to me - sweet catch on the slant. But why not give some frosh a chance once we get across the 50 - Hatcher? Williams? And Gadsen as you mention. I think it's coaching ... OC/ and Samuel for WR's. Same problem with O-Line that we rectified.
 
phil77 said:
What playbook? Run a fly route? Or run an out? Not like we run crossing routes over the middle and combo routes or anything
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Did you watch the game?

Seriously, because if did you would seen all of that.

They are running actual plays.
 
0.2 YNdeeR said:
1 pass to Benson (they should be throwing to him all day IMO), zero passes to Queeley, most to Taj (8) and a couple each to Jackson and Johnson. Johnson looks better. Jackson looks pretty good to me - sweet catch on the slant. But why not give some frosh a chance once we get across the 50 - Hatcher? Williams? And Gadsen as you mention. I think it's coaching ... OC/ and Samuel for WR's. Same problem with O-Line that we rectified.
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Zero passes to Queeley? He caught a pass off of play action first play of the game. He had as many, if not more targets than Harris.
 
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JeremyCuse said:
The young WR's must really have issues learning the playbook or are really underperforming because its amazing that they haven't been able to supplant the starters besides Taj. Play Gadsen and anyone else Sat and let's see what happens.
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‘it’s game two. Alford was in, sprung Jackson on the bubble for six or seven.

that being said I’d play Alford, Gadsden, and Harris with CJ as the 4th WR
 
GoSU96 said:
Zero passes to Queeley? He caught a pass off of play action first play of the game. He had as many, if not more targets than Harris.
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SYR - Receiving
PlayerRec.Yds.TDLong
Harris,Taj8122051
Tucker,Sean427010
Johnson,Sharod218011
Jackson,Courtney21007
Lutz,Cooper2906
Benson,Luke1505
Queeley,Anthony0000
TOTALS19191051

Start of 1st Half
Rutgers wins toss and defers; SYR will receive; RUT will defend East end-zone.
Start of 1st quarter, clock 15:00.
Ambrosio,Valentino kickoff 65 yards to the SYR00, Touchback.
Syracuse at 15:00
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Syracuse at 15:00
1st and 10 at SYR25Syracuse drive start at 15:00.
1st and 10 at SYR25Devito,Tommy pass complete to Harris,Taj for 6 yards to the SYR31 (Melton,Max).
2nd and 4 at SYR31Tucker,Sean rush for 5 yards gain to the SYR36 (Fatukasi,Olakunle), 1ST DOWN.
1st and 10 at SYR36Tucker,Sean rush for 3 yards gain to the SYR39 (Izien,Christian; Fatukasi,Olakunle).
2nd and 7 at SYR39Devito,Tommy pass incomplete QB hurried by Fogg,Tyshon PENALTY SYR Intentional Grounding (Devito,Tommy).
3rd and 14 at SYR32Devito,Tommy pass incomplete.
4th and 14 at SYR32Williams,James punt 0 yards to the SYR32 blocked by Melton,Max recovered by RUT Wright-Collins,Jamier at SYR18, End Of Play.

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007 said:
Can you post more about the specific mechanics you feel are "truly awful." I am not trying to debate the point with you, just curious as to what you are seeing specifically.
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I will on rewatch.

From memory, it seemed his feet were never right, even when he had time. He's got a big looping wind up and slow release, kind of awkward. Might be his size too. Not compact.
 
Rocco said:
This is a god-damned joke after 2 games. 19 COMPLETED passes.

Why can't we have nice things?
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when you run 62 plays that’s what you get 19 of 32 is not awful
 
GoSU96 said:
What I’m in on is not ignoring the fact that he played at a very high level before the 4th quarter. 11/15 with three drops and one sack if that in one half is excellent. You do that for sixty minutes you are going to win a lot of games.

The 4th was badly handled by everyone.
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It's hard for me to accept a grade of "high level" when we scored 7 points in 3 quarters. I'm not saying it's all on TD, but the guy is the most important player on the O by a country mile... and we scored 7 points.

To put meat on that bone, I believe TD had 6 drives in the first 3 quarters...

1st drive ended in an intentional grounding and an incompletion.
2nd drive was the fumble by Lutz.
3rd drive stalled out when TD completed a 5 yard pass on a 3rd and 15.
4th drive was a 3-and-out when TD completed a 7 yard pass on a 3rd and 10.
5th drive was the touchdown.
6th drive was a 3-and-out.

Six drives, one score, two 3-and-outs, one decent drive that stalled on an incompletion, one 5-play drive that ended on an incompletion. Two of six were good, the other 4 were some variation of meh-to-bad.

I just don't see how that's good enough, let alone "high level".
 
GoSU96 said:
That’s wrong.

Queeley makes the catch on the first play of the game.
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I added the play-by-play, which indicates the first pass of the game was caught by Taj. Maybe they got it wrong. But that's what it says in two separate places in the box score, per my post.
 
Scooch said:
It's hard for me to accept a grade of "high level" when we scored 7 points in 3 quarters. I'm not saying it's all on TD, but the guy is the most important player on the O by a country mile... and we scored 7 points.

To put meat on that bone, I believe TD had 6 drives in the first 3 quarters...

1st drive ended in an intentional grounding and an incompletion.
2nd drive was the fumble by Lutz.
3rd drive stalled out when TD completed a 5 yard pass on a 3rd and 15.
4th drive was a 3-and-out when TD completed a 7 yard pass on a 3rd and 10.
5th drive was the touchdown.
6th drive was a 3-and-out.

Six drives, one score, two 3-and-outs, one decent drive that stalled on an incompletion, one 5-play drive that ended on an incompletion. Two of six were good, the other 4 were some variation of meh-to-bad.

I just don't see how that's good enough, let alone "high level".
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All the QBs who played that Sat had negative EPA (expected points added). That’s awful.

DeVito had a good 1st half, but his 4th Q made him the worst QB on the day.

Shrader had the best EPA (again, negative on the whole) in his limited action.
 
GoSU96 said:
That’s wrong.

Queeley makes the catch on the first play of the game.
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I was pretty sure it was Queeley too. But ever play by play I can find says otherwise.
 
0.2 YNdeeR said:
I added the play-by-play, which indicates the first pass of the game was caught by Taj. Maybe they got it wrong. But that's what it says in two separate places in the box score, per my post.
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watch the game
 
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