Just watched the game again

[IthacaBarrel]

I was underwhelmed by Shraders arm.

so was Mike Leach

 

[TheCusian]

can I ask you a serious question?

how much does the Devito and Babers family pay you to post on here?

Did you read the post? I wasn’t overly critical of Shrader?

They both sucked on Saturday, mostly.

 

[storange]

There have been a lot of QBs that have less then perfect throwing motion, Garrett gets the ball there just fine.

 

[TheCusian]

There have been a lot of QBs that have less then perfect throwing motion, Garrett gets the ball there just fine.

It’s consistency that suffers when mechanics are rough. But maybe he has the stuff Tommy doesn’t in all the other ways.

hope so

 

[GoSU96]

Some of you did nice job with stop action, my recording on the ACC network started 8 minutes late due to previous game. How did people get first 8 minutes taped. Sorry for topic jack

watch ESPN has the whole game

 

[baggerbob]

Terry Bradshaw didn't throw a great football, and his completion percentage wasn't good, all he did was win.

Eh, no. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess. He may have a lot of other things going for him - but good passing mechanics and beautiful thrown footballs is not it. AND maybe that’s ok. If he completes them and we win, I don’t care

 

[TheCusian]

Terry Bradshaw didn't throw a great football, and his completion percentage wasn't good, all he did was win.

Yeah, there are QBs who can do it that way. But a lot of guys who can’t throw with good mechanics aren’t consistent enough to be prolific.

 

[Dcuse]

Eh, no. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess. He may have a lot of other things going for him - but good passing mechanics and beautiful thrown footballs is not it. AND maybe that’s ok. If he completes them and we win, I don’t care

I agree with Phat. Really don't know what you're talking about.

Sorry.

 

[TexanMark]

The only year Dino has been successful is with an offense that depends on a guy freelancing.

Very true since Sean Lewis left

 

[PhatOrange]

Some of you did nice job with stop action, my recording on the ACC network started 8 minutes late due to previous game. How did people get first 8 minutes taped. Sorry for topic jack

I have YTTV and missed the first 8 minutes of the game live but it's there now on the DVR.

 

[Cusefan69]

A bunch of people seem to get caught in the QB mechanics. As if some sort of perfection of mechanics are the end all be all. At the end of the day it's just one aspect of a number of different elements that go in the mix. At the end of the day its about wins.

 

[WarmWeather]

Just re-watched Shrader's 3rd drive.

Drive starts at the SU 41 yard line after a 4th down stuff by the D. First time with good field position. (2 minute drill) was actually a pretty good drive. He moved the ball down the field with some good play and got us into short field goal range that we missed. Made some really good throws and you can visibly see him scanning the field a couple of times. Sharod makes a beautiful sideline catch on this drive (on a hell of a throw).

First play he throws a money ball to Taj that is a sure TD but the safety gets over at the last second and knocks it away. That was as pretty as a throw as the one Taj dropped on TD.

Next throw is the perfect sideline pass and layout by Sharod. Toes down. 1st-10 at the RU 48.

Next play is a check down throw to Tucker for another gain of 10 and a 1st down. (check down)

At this point Shrader is starting to feel it a little and get into a rythym. You can see his body language.

The 4th play he misses Courtney by a foot down the middle. This hurt as it's a sure TD. He needs to hit this pass 9/10 times.

2nd10 with a minute left.

5th play is the scramble and comebacker to Taj. 1st down ball on the 20yd line with 51 seconds.

Run Tucker up the gut no gain. why? I hate throw away plays. (side note RU LB throws Tucker well after the whistle. No diff than Mikel)

2nd10 syracuse TO, 35 seconds left

Coming out of the TO is the missed facemask scramble fumble.

3rd and 15 now, 10 second run off and 20 seconds left.

Pass to Queeley way over thrown. Shrader faced a bit of pressure but chucks it up off back foot while starting to leave the pocket. Queeley open but it would have had to have been a laser.

Missed FG. (43 yarder kicking from the 25 yard line)

All in all this was a good drive (one of the best of the game) and Shrader played better, moved the team. Based on his last drive performance and what we saw from the Offense in the 2nd half, it's sort of inexcusable that he didn't play again in the game. On re-watch I may have given him the first series of the 2nd half. He definitely seemed to have some momentum going.

Just an observation. Schrader didn't fumble the ball. Looked as though he was trying for an incomplete pass (creatively) to avoid being tackled behind the line of scrimmage. Regardless, the refs ruled that he was down (knee down) before he let go of the ball. As for the passes to Taj and Queeley, Schrader showed good touch in that he gave the receivers a chance to make a play. Both receivers were covered. Anyone who is actually interested in evaluating Schrader might take a look at his 2019 stats (when he was a 19-year-old freshman at Mississippi State). Check out his stats against LSU, (the eventual National Champs) and Auburn (finished 2019 as #14).

 

[RMH44]

It’s consistency that suffers when mechanics are rough. But maybe he has the stuff Tommy doesn’t in all the other ways.

hope so

"Arm talent" (I hate that term) is inconsequential if the QB hasn't a clue. There are any number of QB skills/traits that I'd rank higher than arm talent.

 

[GoSU96]

I get it, you’re all in on TD. I thought he looked his sharpest, ever, on the drive before GS came in during the 2nd quarter.

We can go back and discuss every play, the result doesn’t change. And it’s not all his fault, but he’s not going to be the guy to lead us to greener pastures either.

What I’m in on is not ignoring the fact that he played at a very high level before the 4th quarter. 11/15 with three drops and one sack if that in one half is excellent. You do that for sixty minutes you are going to win a lot of games.

The 4th was badly handled by everyone.

 

[GoSU96]

Just an observation. Schrader didn't fumble the ball. Looked as though he was trying for an incomplete pass (creatively) to avoid being tackled behind the line of scrimmage. Regardless, the refs ruled that he was down (knee down) before he let go of the ball. As for the passes to Taj and Queeley, Schrader showed good touch in that he gave the receivers a chance to make a play. Both receivers were covered. Anyone who is actually interested in evaluating Schrader might take a look at his 2019 stats (when he was a 19-year-old freshman at Mississippi State). Check out his stats against LSU, (the eventual National Champs) and Auburn (finished 2019 as #14).

No he dropped the ball to start the sequence.

 

[Alsacs]

DeVito can’t figure out pocket awareness.
It’s one of the most important things for a QB.
He doesn’t have good pocket awareness and his scrambling isn’t instinctive enough.

Our offense is garbage.
It’s not hard to defend at all.
Stack the box, cover vertical routes we will stop ourselves.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

What I’m in on is not ignoring the fact that he played at a very high level before the 4th quarter. 11/15 with three drops and one sack if that in one half is excellent. You do that for sixty minutes you are going to win a lot of games.

The 4th was badly handled by everyone.

His 1st drive was bad and his last drive in the 3rd Q (with the score 7-7) was bad. His 2nd and 3rd drives were good. His first two drives of the 3rd Q were good.

 

[phil77]

What I’m in on is not ignoring the fact that he played at a very high level before the 4th quarter.

We had exactly 7 points against Rutgers with TD playing at a "very high level". The standards for TD keep dropping. If we expect our multi-year starting senior QB to play at a high level and only put up 7 points (a rushing TD) at home against Rutgers that is terrible.

In two games against OHIO and RUTGERS TD has about 200 yards passing with 0 Touchdowns and 1 INT!!!! It is time to move on.

 

[TheCusian]

I agree with Phat. Really don't know what you're talking about.

Sorry.

You think his mechanics are good? Or that his mechanics are bad but he throws a pretty ball?

No need to be sorry, happy to disagree if we disagree.

 

[TheCusian]

A bunch of people seem to get caught in the QB mechanics. As if some sort of perfection of mechanics are the end all be all. At the end of the day it's just one aspect of a number of different elements that go in the mix. At the end of the day its about wins.

Yeah, this is what I said. It’s like a jump shot. Lots of things go into it and if the ball goes in that’s good. But if you want to be consistent, this is the way

 

[TheCusian]

"Arm talent" (I hate that term) is inconsequential if the QB hasn't a clue. There are any number of QB skills/traits that I'd rank higher than arm talent.

Yep. Agreed.

 

[upperdeck]

You think his mechanics are good? Or that his mechanics are bad but he throws a pretty ball?

No need to be sorry, happy to disagree if we disagree.

watching him on the sidelines in warm up he throws a nice tight ball as to whether that means good mechanics i dont know

 

[dollarbill44]

watching him on the sidelines in warm up he throws a nice tight ball as to whether that means good mechanics i dont know

Typically, you can't throw a tight spiral with bad mechanics.
But, lots of guys mechanics break down when they are in game situations.
I actually thought Shrader threw pretty well for his first passes in two years. The pass to Taj that got broken up at the last instant was an absolutely beautifully thrown ball. The overthrow was a beautiful looking pass, as well, he just needed a scoche more air under it. NFL qbs make that same mistake - they get excited at how open it is and rush it.

As for whoever keeps saying he throws a duck - I don't know what they're talking about, unless that means something different nowadays. TD threw more ducks (i.e. wobbly pass that goes way off line or way short) than Shrader.

 

[upperdeck]

yup more air under throws. the over throws all year have been throw a bit too far when really a bit higher would have helped. we cant keep making the long ball a 5% throw thats even catchable.

 

[storange]

yup more air under throws. the over throws all year have been throw a bit too far when really a bit higher would have helped. we cant keep making the long ball a 5% throw thats even catchable.

Had about 5 times recievers got behind RU, without a catch. One to Taj successful
1-6. If it’s 3-6 we won. Add to that a couple times recievers running uncovered, never to be seen.