Just watched the game again

[Millhouse]

that is such nonsense, go watch it again

NEVER

 

[Millhouse]

One play I'm going to slam DeVito on is the 3rd and 13 with 14:20 left in the 4th Q. This is the one TD air mails way out of bounds. He has Cooper or Pena running all alone in the center of the field at the 50 yard line. 25 yards down field. TD has tons of time and even steps up in the pocket. From the time of the snap to the pass is only 4 seconds but he has way more time than that and a clean pocket. It's unexplainable how he doesn't see this if he's actually scanning the field. My sense is that he had so much time his PTSD kicked in and he just unloaded it. The pass he threw was to the SU bench on their side of the 50 but it was also into double coverage. It's really inexcusable to miss this play.

I do think qbs get shellshocked and that kind of awareness is already his Achilles heel

Last year was worse than a waste

 

[Dcuse]

Have you seen him throw it?

Yeah, 6 times. Completed 4. One on his 3rd look where he adjusted his feet beautifully and threw a long sideline completion ( nice job by Johnson keeping feet in). One on a broken pocket where he made a nice throwback completion. He made an overthrow on a td pass where the receive ( JACKSON) didn’t even reach for the ball.
Did you even watch the game?

 

[Scooch]

End of the day Tommy seems to get let down by his WRs early, the game speeds up, he tightens up and that's that. Last season at UNC he was hitting guys on their helmets and through their hands. Want to see the younger guys.

Good point. All off-season people said Tommy needs a strong OL and really good WRs, and then he’ll produce. As if most QBs wouldn’t produce if they had a strong OL and really good WRs. The guy is incapable of making those around him better, which is an absolute necessity for an SU QB.

 

[RF2044]

Good point. All off-season people said Tommy needs a strong OL and really good WRs, and then he’ll produce. As if most QBs wouldn’t produce if they had a strong OL and really good WRs. The guy is incapable of making those around him better, which is an absolute necessity for an SU QB.

Unfortunately, I agree. Tommy seems like a great kid, so I apologize in advance for putting him down. But despite his arm talent, he hasn't shown the innate feel for the game needed to excel. And when the pass rush turns live, he can't translate his arm talent into production. This is his fourth year -- I think many were hoping that the presence of a challenger [Shrader] in the QB room might help him elevate his game, but it doesn't seem to have happened.

Time to see what Shrader can do. We already know what Tommy can [and more importantly -- can't] do.

 

[CsonkaStash]

I love how the last 3 years it’s everyone else’s fault but TD. He is straight Garbage with zero ability to go through progressions. Has zero awareness and stared down his primary.
It is baffling to me how anyone could possibly want him in there

 

[NineOneSeven]

Said it last year but we’ve got 79 wideouts on the roster yet… what are they doing all game? Nothing? Special teams? Just sitting there? Taj is a gamer who can fight for yardage. Unfortunately struggles with drops and the emotions run too far on the negative side of the spectrum, at times. Absolutely a wideout we should be involving frequently but if he’s the number 1, you need a lot more at 2-5.

let’s see if anyone can step up as the season moves on.

 

[two3zone]

Yeah, 6 times. Completed 4. One on his 3rd look where he adjusted his feet beautifully and threw a long sideline completion ( nice job by Johnson keeping feet in). One on a broken pocket where he made a nice throwback completion. He made an overthrow on a td pass where the receive ( JACKSON) didn’t even reach for the ball.
Did you even watch the game?

His mechanics are worse than anyone I’ve ever seen in orange. His 4 that you are citing as great things, a 12 year old could’ve completed. I’m not a Tommy guy but Tommy is a quarterback, Shrader is a runner who throws the ball.

 

[AAM62]

His mechanics are worse than anyone I’ve ever seen in orange. His 4 that you are citing as great things, a 12 year old could’ve completed. I’m not a Tommy guy but Tommy is a quarterback, Schafer is a runner who throws the ball.

Schafer lol

 

[Dcuse]

His mechanics are worse than anyone I’ve ever seen in orange. His 4 that you are citing as great things, a 12 year old could’ve completed. I’m not a Tommy guy but Tommy is a quarterback, Schafer is a runner who throws the ball.

Your analysis is on par with your spelling.

 

[dollarbill44]

His mechanics are worse than anyone I’ve ever seen in orange.

Either: a) you are a new fan, which we know isn't true,
b) you just had your sight restored after a couple of decades, or
c)you have psychologically induced amnesia.
There have been far, far worse passers play at SU in just the last few seasons.

 

[gmoney44]

Stats don’t mean you’re a good qb

Tommy is terrible. His stats were okay at best but the actual gameplay was awful

He has just over a 50% completion, 249 yards 0tds and 1 INT


Shrader should start and play the entire game against Albany.

Make a decision off of that if Shrader or Devito starts against Liberty.

Shrader was getting into the flow when Dino pulled him out. Makes no sense.

I swear sometimes, if I didn’t know better, Dino is purposely trying to lose games.

Dino just has an awful feel for the game the last few years.

 

[gmoney44]

And our backup can’t even throw the ball. I really hope we have someone good coming in soon, we’re in trouble.

I’m not sure how you get that. He barely missed one receiver on a long pass and the other should have been caught with an almost perfectly thrown deep ball. He didn’t throw an uncatchable pass out of bounds or hold it forever and take a sack like Tommy. I think he’s the better QB and given more game time I think he proves it.

 

[PhatOrange]

Just re-watched Shrader's 3rd drive.

Drive starts at the SU 41 yard line after a 4th down stuff by the D. First time with good field position. (2 minute drill) was actually a pretty good drive. He moved the ball down the field with some good play and got us into short field goal range that we missed. Made some really good throws and you can visibly see him scanning the field a couple of times. Sharod makes a beautiful sideline catch on this drive (on a hell of a throw).

First play he throws a money ball to Taj that is a sure TD but the safety gets over at the last second and knocks it away. That was as pretty as a throw as the one Taj dropped on TD.

Next throw is the perfect sideline pass and layout by Sharod. Toes down. 1st-10 at the RU 48.

Next play is a check down throw to Tucker for another gain of 10 and a 1st down. (check down)

At this point Shrader is starting to feel it a little and get into a rythym. You can see his body language.

The 4th play he misses Courtney by a foot down the middle. This hurt as it's a sure TD. He needs to hit this pass 9/10 times.

2nd10 with a minute left.

5th play is the scramble and comebacker to Taj. 1st down ball on the 20yd line with 51 seconds.

Run Tucker up the gut no gain. why? I hate throw away plays. (side note RU LB throws Tucker well after the whistle. No diff than Mikel)

2nd10 syracuse TO, 35 seconds left

Coming out of the TO is the missed facemask scramble fumble.

3rd and 15 now, 10 second run off and 20 seconds left.

Pass to Queeley way over thrown. Shrader faced a bit of pressure but chucks it up off back foot while starting to leave the pocket. Queeley open but it would have had to have been a laser.

Missed FG. (43 yarder kicking from the 25 yard line)

All in all this was a good drive (one of the best of the game) and Shrader played better, moved the team. Based on his last drive performance and what we saw from the Offense in the 2nd half, it's sort of inexcusable that he didn't play again in the game. On re-watch I may have given him the first series of the 2nd half. He definitely seemed to have some momentum going.

 

[TheCusian]

Just re-watched Shrader's 3rd drive.

Drive starts at the SU 41 yard line after a 4th down stuff by the D. First time with good field position. (2 minute drill) was actually a pretty good drive. He moved the ball down the field with some good play and got us into short field goal range that we missed. Made some really good throws and you can visibly see him scanning the field a couple of times. Sharod makes a beautiful sideline catch on this drive (on a hell of a throw).

First play he throws a money ball to Taj that is a sure TD but the safety gets over at the last second and knocks it away. That was as pretty as a throw as the one Taj dropped on TD.

Next throw is the perfect sideline pass and layout by Sharod. Toes down. 1st-10 at the RU 48.

Next play is a check down throw to Tucker for another gain of 10 and a 1st down. (check down)

At this point Shrader is starting to feel it a little and get into a rythym. You can see his body language.

The 4th play he misses Courtney by a foot down the middle. This hurt as it's a sure TD. He needs to hit this pass 10/10 times.

2nd10 with a minute left.

5th play is the scramble and comebacker to Taj. 1st down ball on the 20yd line with 51 seconds.

Run Tucker up the gut no gain. why? I hate throw away plays. (side note RU LB throws Tucker well after the whistle. No diff than Mikel)

2nd10 syracuse TO, 35 seconds left

Coming out of the TO is the missed facemask scramble fumble.

3rd and 15 now, 10 second run off and 20 seconds left.

Pass to Queeley way over thrown. Shrader faced a bit of pressure but chucks it up off back foot while starting to leave the pocket. Queeley open but it would have had to have been a laser.

Missed FG. (43 yarder kicking from the 25 yard line)

All in all this was a good drive (one of the best of the game) and Shrader played better, moved the team. Based on his last drive performance and what we saw from the Offense in the 2nd half, it's sort of inexcusable that he didn't play again in the game. On re-watch I may have given him the first series of the 2nd half. He definitely seemed to have some momentum going.

My thoughts on that drive are:

- he really moved well, made plays, looked good. Was encouraged

- his mechanics are truly awful. Throws a duck … but if he moves the ball? Don’t care

I think we have 2 decent CFB QBs when we need a great one. But might have enough to get to a bowl if things go right

 

[PhatOrange]

My thoughts on that drive are:

- he really moved well, made plays, looked good. Was encouraged

- his mechanics are truly awful. Throws a duck … but if he moves the ball? Don’t care

I think we have 2 decent CFB QBs when we need a great one. But might have enough to get to a bowl if things go right

which throws are his mechanics awful because the only bad throw he made mechanically was the throw to Queeley. I didn't see any ducks and I'm not really going to count a 25 yard pass across his body while scrambling for his life. No way TD makes that play. His other passes were perfect, even the overthrow to CJ.

 

[RMH44]

His mechanics are worse than anyone I’ve ever seen in orange. His 4 that you are citing as great things, a 12 year old could’ve completed. I’m not a Tommy guy but Tommy is a quarterback, Schafer is a runner who throws the ball.

Apparently you missed the games when Rex played.

 

[TheCusian]

which throws are his mechanics awful because the only bad throw he made mechanically was the throw to Queeley. I didn't see any ducks and I'm not really going to count a 25 yard pass across his body while scrambling for his life. No way TD makes that play. His other passes were perfect, even the overthrow to CJ.

Eh, no. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess. He may have a lot of other things going for him - but good passing mechanics and beautiful thrown footballs is not it. AND maybe that’s ok. If he completes them and we win, I don’t care

 

[GoSU96]

Just re-watched Shrader's 3rd drive.

Drive starts at the SU 41 yard line after a 4th down stuff by the D. First time with good field position. (2 minute drill) was actually a pretty good drive. He moved the ball down the field with some good play and got us into short field goal range that we missed. Made some really good throws and you can visibly see him scanning the field a couple of times. Sharod makes a beautiful sideline catch on this drive (on a hell of a throw).

First play he throws a money ball to Taj that is a sure TD but the safety gets over at the last second and knocks it away. That was as pretty as a throw as the one Taj dropped on TD.

Next throw is the perfect sideline pass and layout by Sharod. Toes down. 1st-10 at the RU 48.

Next play is a check down throw to Tucker for another gain of 10 and a 1st down. (check down)

At this point Shrader is starting to feel it a little and get into a rythym. You can see his body language.

The 4th play he misses Courtney by a foot down the middle. This hurt as it's a sure TD. He needs to hit this pass 9/10 times.

2nd10 with a minute left.

5th play is the scramble and comebacker to Taj. 1st down ball on the 20yd line with 51 seconds.

Run Tucker up the gut no gain. why? I hate throw away plays. (side note RU LB throws Tucker well after the whistle. No diff than Mikel)

2nd10 syracuse TO, 35 seconds left

Coming out of the TO is the missed facemask scramble fumble.

3rd and 15 now, 10 second run off and 20 seconds left.

Pass to Queeley way over thrown. Shrader faced a bit of pressure but chucks it up off back foot while starting to leave the pocket. Queeley open but it would have had to have been a laser.

Missed FG. (43 yarder kicking from the 25 yard line)

All in all this was a good drive (one of the best of the game) and Shrader played better, moved the team. Based on his last drive performance and what we saw from the Offense in the 2nd half, it's sort of inexcusable that he didn't play again in the game. On re-watch I may have given him the first series of the 2nd half. He definitely seemed to have some momentum going.

He missed Jackson by more than a foot.

the out to the left sideline was his best throw of the day

it was an okay debut. It did feature two three and outs, and the play where he two handed pushed the ball out of bounds from his knees he just dropped the ball as he was running to the right.

 

[JRHEETER]

My thoughts on that drive are:

- he really moved well, made plays, looked good. Was encouraged

- his mechanics are truly awful. Throws a duck … but if he moves the ball? Don’t care

I think we have 2 decent CFB QBs when we need a great one. But might have enough to get to a bowl if things go right

can I ask you a serious question?

how much does the Devito and Babers family pay you to post on here?

 

[PhatOrange]

Eh, no. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess. He may have a lot of other things going for him - but good passing mechanics and beautiful thrown footballs is not it. AND maybe that’s ok. If he completes them and we win, I don’t care

I'm only talking about that 3rd drive. You cant watch the tape of the 3rd drive and tell me with a straight face his mechanics are poor. They're not prototype perfect but you're splitting hairs and the passes were on.

 

[storange]

Unfortunately, I agree. Tommy seems like a great kid, so I apologize in advance for putting him down. But despite his arm talent, he hasn't shown the innate feel for the game needed to excel. And when the pass rush turns live, he can't translate his arm talent into production. This is his fourth year -- I think many were hoping that the presence of a challenger [Shrader] in the QB room might help him elevate his game, but it doesn't seem to have happened.

Time to see what Shrader can do. We already know what Tommy can [and more importantly -- can't] do.

I watched twice today , My dvr missed the first 8 minutes. But the same is still true , if the primary receiver is open Tommy will deliver , if he’s not , close your eyes it won’t be pretty.

 

[PhatOrange]

He missed Jackson by more than a foot.

the out to the left sideline was his best throw of the day

it was an okay debut. It did feature two three and outs, and the play where he two handed pushed the ball out of bounds from his knees he just dropped the ball as he was running to the right.

It was more than a foot but not much, decent thrown ball he just missed him. TD missed guys last week to. (I tried to stop this screenshot when the ball looks to be directly overhead. Weird that Jackson didn't even put a hand up.)

Besides the out, the 35 yard pass to Taj on the first play was right on the money. Safety made a touchdown saving play on that.

 

[storange]

Some of you did nice job with stop action, my recording on the ACC network started 8 minutes late due to previous game. How did people get first 8 minutes taped. Sorry for topic jack

 

[kcsu]

Can’t tell what Shrader does, he barely got a chance to run the offense.

All we know is Tommy ain’t it.

I can’t believe you’re still riding the Tommy train. He was pitiful. He was the same Tommy we’ve seen from the last 2 years and it isn’t good.

Tommy ship has sailed here.

Shrader might not be a lot better but at least he a breath of fresh air

I was underwhelmed by Shraders arm.