Kadari and the 3

[AlaskaSU]

I am not a JB critic but I now have something that bothers me. I would understand if J B said do not take contested 3's, but why say no 3's? He had the skill to hit open 3's, at least at 33%, which is not so hard for a highly rated guard.

perhaps JB had other issues with Kadari not being a team player, which he wasn't. He endangered, and broadcast things, that were anti-team. No other player ever crossed that line. Dollars to donuts, given what Wildhack said, Kadary was put on probation.

 

[sufandu]

I am not a JB critic but I now have something that bothers me. I would understand if J B said do not take contested 3's, but why say no 3's? He had the skill to hit open 3's, at least at 33%, which is not so hard for a highly rated guard.

perhaps JB had other issues with Kadari not being a team player, which he wasn't. He endangered, and broadcast things, that were anti-team. No other player ever crossed that line. Dollars to donuts, given what Wildhak said, Kadari was put on probation.

Wildhack talked about Kadari? What did he say? I didn't see it.

 

[jordoo]

Kadary is no longer a player at SU . . . . . . You get that right?

BTW JB has told many players not to shoot 3’s. Nothing new.

 

[jdubs30]

If you make them in Practice JB let’s you take them in a game.

Kadary did go 3/3 from Deep in the tournament- it seemed like any “restrictions” may have been lifted

 

[JustPherU]

I am not a JB critic but I now have something that bothers me. I would understand if J B said do not take contested 3's, but why say no 3's? He had the skill to hit open 3's, at least at 33%, which is not so hard for a highly rated guard.

perhaps JB had other issues with Kadari not being a team player, which he wasn't. He endangered, and broadcast things, that were anti-team. No other player ever crossed that line. Dollars to donuts, given what Wildhack said, Kadary was put on probation.

Kinda curious as what Wildhack had to say about Kadari.Can I get little help here?

 

[UpstateSM]

Is Kadari related to Kadray?

 

[Orangello]

Is this a Seton Hall board ?

 

[OHIORANGES]

Is Kadari related to Kadray?

I think they are first cousins

 

[AlaskaSU]

Why tell your point guard, who can hit open 3's, not to take them. As I said, why did he not say - only take them if your feet are set? There is a big difference between an open shot and a forced shot. Most guards can hit open 3's. I think that there was a poisoned well between them, and I am not blaming JB for it. However, I question whether the blanket 3 prohibition was best for the team. A guard needs an outside threat to keep the D honest.

Name another guard who was forbidden to take an outside shot?

Wildhack expressed his thoughts on the seriousness of the party incident. He was upset.

 

[jordoo]

Why tell your point guard, who can hit open 3's, not to take them. As I said, why did he not say - only take them if your feet are set? There is a big difference between an open shot and a forced shot. Most guards can hit open 3's. I think that there was a poisoned well between them, and I am not blaming JB for it. However, I question whether the blanket 3 prohibition was best for the team. A guard needs an outside threat to keep the D honest.

I may be wrong but I think this is considered coaching which again I think is JB’s role. Perhaps he knew that Kadary brought way more value as a driver/finisher/passer and wanted him to do that.

 

[sufandu]

Why tell your point guard, who can hit open 3's, not to take them. As I said, why did he not say - only take them if your feet are set? There is a big difference between an open shot and a forced shot. Most guards can hit open 3's. I think that there was a poisoned well between them, and I am not blaming JB for it. However, I question whether the blanket 3 prohibition was best for the team. A guard needs an outside threat to keep the D honest.

Name another guard who was forbidden to take an outside shot?

Wildhack expressed his thoughts on the seriousness of the party incident. He was upset.

Was Kadari part of the party? I never saw names.

 

[kuethstheman]

Like jdubs said: If you make them in practice, he'll give you the green light. You've got to assume he wasn't making them in practice. That he made three shots in games doesn't mean he's a good (or even adequate) shooter. Whether or not they are uncontested or if he has his feet set.

 

[rrlbees]

Why tell your point guard, who can hit open 3's, not to take them. As I said, why did he not say - only take them if your feet are set? There is a big difference between an open shot and a forced shot. Most guards can hit open 3's. I think that there was a poisoned well between them, and I am not blaming JB for it. However, I question whether the blanket 3 prohibition was best for the team. A guard needs an outside threat to keep the D honest.

Name another guard who was forbidden to take an outside shot?

Wildhack expressed his thoughts on the seriousness of the party incident. He was upset.

before the NCAAs where he was 3-3 he was shooting under 25% on low volume.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Early in the season, he simply wasn't hitting the wide open 3's. He was 2-13 (13%) after the first 8 games. Sometimes if teams leave you that wide open on the perimeter, there's a reason.

He was told to look for better scoring options (drive in closer and pull up, blow by your defender and get to the rim, etc...).

After the staff worked with him in practice on his mechanics, he started to hit and was given the green light. He finished 4-6 during the last month of the season.

 

[jordoo]

Early in the season, he simply wasn't hitting the wide open 3's. He was 2-13 (13%) after the first 8 games. Sometimes if teams leave you that wide open on the perimeter, there's a reason.

He was told to look for better scoring options (drive in closer and pull up, blow by your defender and get to the rim, etc...).

After the staff worked with him in practice on his mechanics, he started to hit and was given the green light. He finished 4-6 during the last month of the season.

that sounds like good coaching

 

[HOFCeluck]

I don’t know but I’m hoping Kamary helps us forget him

 

[orange79]

that sounds like good coaching

Hmmm...

 

[DoctorBombay]

Like jdubs said: If you make them in practice, he'll give you the green light. You've got to assume he wasn't making them in practice. That he made three shots in games doesn't mean he's a good (or even adequate) shooter. Whether or not they are uncontested or if he has his feet set.

Again, in my mind the real issue was why the shooting restriction on one player, but not on others?
Mayhaps Kadary wondered why Joe was shooting 30-ft pullups in transition & he's not supposed to shoot under ANY circumstances? What gives?
The loss of confidence and trust soured the relationship and I’d wager, was a major reason Kadary wanted out.

 

[Nicknack]

I am not a JB critic but I now have something that bothers me. I would understand if J B said do not take contested 3's, but why say no 3's? He had the skill to hit open 3's, at least at 33%, which is not so hard for a highly rated guard.

perhaps JB had other issues with Kadari not being a team player, which he wasn't. He endangered, and broadcast things, that were anti-team. No other player ever crossed that line. Dollars to donuts, given what Wildhack said, Kadary was put on probation.

Why post this now? This has been discussed at a ridiculous volume over the past few weeks, and I have participated in some of those threads. However, there is a time to move on. This might be that time, especially now that he's no longer an orangeman.

 

[jordoo]

Again, in my mind the real issue was why the shooting restriction on one player, but not on others?
Mayhaps Kadary wondered why Joe was shooting 30-ft pullups in transition & he's not supposed to shoot under ANY circumstances? What gives?
The loss of confidence and trust soured the relationship and I’d wager, was a major reason Kadary wanted out.

Why should the staff trust a dude to shoot 3’s who is missing them in practice and hitting at 13% when left open in games. The evidence shows that he improved his shooting under the coaching staffs strategy.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

Its over.

I'm as upset as any my 2 favorite players on the team were forced out but next year is Boeheim cubed with the year after likely again being all Boeheim all the time. Noone on the roster will have any issues with their role or getting Boeheim'd by the coach. There is an inevitability to Woody and Kadary parting ways and may actually be best for everyone.


As for the 3 point thing Kadary was so good at everything else I am sure the coach wanted him to focus on that. Its different than a guy whos only playing NCAA ball because hes good at shooting the 3.

 

[GooseMutt]

Let players play and do their thing

Putting restrictions on them gets inside their heads distracting them from the flow of the game

 

[TheCusian]

Why tell your point guard, who can hit open 3's, not to take them. As I said, why did he not say - only take them if your feet are set? There is a big difference between an open shot and a forced shot. Most guards can hit open 3's. I think that there was a poisoned well between them, and I am not blaming JB for it. However, I question whether the blanket 3 prohibition was best for the team. A guard needs an outside threat to keep the D honest.

Name another guard who was forbidden to take an outside shot?

Wildhack expressed his thoughts on the seriousness of the party incident. He was upset.

If he didn’t hit them in practice, he won’t be allowed to shoot them in a game. Same for every player.

 

[Nicknack]

Let players play and do their thing

Putting restrictions on them gets inside their heads distracting them from the flow of the game

That's what Joe was doing (chucking) until he finally developed a conscious (and maybe some coaching). Most players HAVE to be coached to their strengths. They also need to understand their role and what the TEAM needs.

 

[Day2]

Its over.

I'm as upset as any my 2 favorite players on the team were forced out but next year is Boeheim cubed with the year after likely again being all Boeheim all the time. Noone on the roster will have any issues with their role or getting Boeheim'd by the coach. There is an inevitability to Woody and Kadary parting ways and may actually be best for everyone.


As for the 3 point thing Kadary was so good at everything else I am sure the coach wanted him to focus on that. Its different than a guy whos only playing NCAA ball because hes good at shooting the 3.

Forced out, LOL.