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[Alsacs]

aren't??? Who said they were. But what was said about Buddy early this year? He is a great shooter. Not good. I expect Joe will make a jump. The one good thing about you is that you will admit next year that you were wrong.

I hope Joe is good.
I don’t believe he is a starting PG playing a lot of minutes on an ACC contender or NC contender.

I think we will finish 19-12 range because we don’t have above average PG play.

 

[dasher]

I hope Joe is good.
I don’t believe he is a starting PG playing a lot of minutes on an ACC contender or NC contender.

I think we will finish 19-12 range because we don’t have above average PG play.

I don't know what our injuries will be. So to make a prediction is difficult. But if we are healthy, and our schedule isn't ridiculous, and by that I mean the ACC doesn't pork us with easy games at home and tough games on the road, if it is fair, we will be better than that. I suggest you read the Generals take on our new guys.

 

[djcon57]

I seem to remember he had guys with him early in his career that were really good. And at the end of his career he played with guys that we wouldn't have won 10 games without him. He took a lot of bad shots late in his career because he had to.

Yep...i specifically referenced that in the post you responded to, just pointing out that your comment that players have better percentages as they get older isn’t always true...depends on the circumstances as well as we see with Cooney’s jr year and Gmacs jr and sr year

 

[Alsacs]

I don't know what our injuries will be. So to make a prediction is difficult. But if we are healthy, and our schedule isn't ridiculous, and by that I mean the ACC doesn't pork us with easy games at home and tough games on the road, if it is fair, we will be better than that. I suggest you read the Generals take on our new guys.

I read the General’s take I think his Torrence take is the one that matters
Benny and Swider I love as starting forwards.
I like Buddy and Edwards as well.

Guard play is what wins in college hoops at the end.
We need PG play.
I have no faith we have PG play that will be good enough.
I also realize that good defensive teams are going to lock us down if we are just a shooting team.

You need penetration to take advantage of shooting.
If we can’t score in the paint we won’t be really good.

 

[dasher]

Yep...i specifically referenced that in the post you responded to, just pointing out that your comment that players have better percentages as they get older isn’t always true...depends on the circumstances as well as we see with Cooney’s jr year and Gmacs jr and sr year

I think you added that after I posted my response. Either that, or I'm aging even more than I feared.

 

[djcon57]

A game where any 3 of Buddy, Cole, Benny and Joe are cooking from outside will be a blowout.

That was the same thing said this year about Joe, Buddy, and Griffin. It happened twice I think.

 

[dasher]

That was the same thing said this year about Joe, Buddy, and Griffin. It happened twice I think.

he said 4 names. And one of them is a real good shooter in Cole. And as we all know, 4 shooters are really tough to guard.

 

[djcon57]

I think you added that after I posted my response. Either that, or I'm aging even more than I feared.

All good. I had it in there all along. I’ve long said Gmac was at his best with Billy. Although the Duany Gmac back court was money too if Kueth was on

 

[Alsacs]

All good. I had it in there all along. I’ve long said Gmac was at his best with Billy. Although the Duany Gmac back court was money too if Kueth was on

If we had 2005 or 2006 GMac on next year’s team I would feel really good.
GMac had little backcourt support his last 2 years.
If he had a Buddy that would have helped him.
GMac had trouble with the UConn/Pitt style defenders because the other guard was always sagged off.

We don’t have 2005 or 2005 GMac on this team though.

 

[TheCusian]

Buddy is a SG.
Joe is supposedly the PG.

Plus Buddy shot better in AAU with the EBYL, buddy played at Brewster and Buddy had solid shooting numbers as a Sophomore.

Buddy isn’t being tasked with running the offense. Joe is.
Joe’s shooting numbers aren’t as good as Buddy’s.

I don’t think this is right

JB doesn’t give our Gs the PG designation; there are guys that are tasked with bringing the ball up (Joe, Marek, KR last year). But that’s about it - once the ball gets over the center line, he’s not tasked with anything other than what is on their menu of allowed things, just like everyone else

when KR was in the game is was drive and dish or drive and finish - because that’s what he’s good at in practice. Joe is shoot, move the ball, occasionally drive. That’s what he’s good at in practice.

JB is easy to figure out. There are things he expects everyone to do and there are things he thinks you’re good at that he trusts you to do. But you have to stay in your lane until he trusts you.

 

[djcon57]

I don’t buy the we don’t need a point guard stuff at all...just my opinion

Our last 4 final four teams: Z Sims, Gmac/Billy, MCW, Mike G.

Last 4 teams that didn’t make the tourney: Howard/Gillon (if gillon starts the whole year, we might make tourney), Kaleb Joseph, Freshman year Jonny Flynn, Josh Wright.

...and that’s not counting Joe‘s freshman year where the numbers were not in our favor at all of making it.

You can have TWO point guards (Triche, Scoop; Mitchell, Butler for Baylor this year)...but you can’t have zero.

As long as Joe has a solid Scoop like season, I think we could have a good campaign

 

[kcsu]

Joe is shooting career 39% 2 point range and 32.8% from 3.
How does that qualify him as a good shooter?

He can make shots but he misses a lot more. I don’t consider him a good shooter he is okay.
I don’t want Joe having a green light.

Joe is a streak shooter.

 

[81South]

We’ve had a number of players with shooting restrictions over the years...as I recall Frank and Jalen both were told to not shoot threes...I’m sure there were others. If you don’t want restrictions then get you ass in the gym and get it figured out. Our margin for error is thin and the last thing we need is a guy taking shots he can’t make at an acceptable percentage. Know your role and fill it.

 

[CusefanATL]

Spin?
I say people saying Joe is a good shooter is spin.

His numbers say he isn’t a good shooter.
His HS numbers were all high volume.
I think it’s spin that Joe is considered a good shooter.
I think he is average.
I wouldn’t want him shooting with a green light.
I would like him to get better at penetrating and being able to score off floaters.

No one is arguing that JG3 should have had the green light to be a volume shooter especially because half of the volume shots were unassisted or contested. Buddy's volume, for example, is much better quality.

But anyone arguing Kadary is a good shooter and should have been give the green light? I just dont know how to respond to that. He was a 20% 3 pt shooter and then even having his hottest streak of the season ended a 33% shooter. Same as JG3 - without being guarded.

 

[OrangeDW]

We’ve had a number of players with shooting restrictions over the years...as I recall Frank and Jalen both were told to not shoot threes...I’m sure there were others. If you don’t want restrictions then get you ass in the gym and get it figured out. Our margin for error is thin and the last thing we need is a guy taking shots he can’t make at an acceptable percentage. Know your role and fill it.

Kadary demonstrated a high b-ball IQ and good decision making all year long. He knows what good shots are to take. Maybe focus on the things that are actually problems and stop worrying about the best prospect you’ve recruited in a decade.

 

[CusefanATL]

1st paragraph: 10 feet?? Seriously? You made that up.

2nd paragraph: Now I’m confused on when small sample sizes matter and when they don’t? He was an adequate mid range and FT shooter all year, who had the cuffs on and barely took 3s. And now he’s gone. Sucks for us.

Watch Dukes defense here (should start at 6:47)... Not only do they leave Kadary wide open to shoot and sag off of him, the defender picks JG3 over a closer Braswell to defend. I think Coach K is a better game planner than we are.

and part 2 - Kadary should start for us. Dont get me wrong. Im not talking about kadary as a player. strictly this non sense that he was a good 3 pt shooter. I also noticed in these highlights he hit another 3 up 20+ vs i think niagara early in the year. so at least 4 of his 7 3's were garbage time. JG3 was forced to play and shoot when starters were in and trying. Kadary's amazing 33% was not in normal time. and when it was normal time, they sagged off of him. kudos to him for still being able to get to the rim as much as he did for parts of the season.

(just want to confirm you saw - Kadary should be starting for us - please acknowledge receipt prior to response)

 

[OrangeDW]

Watch Dukes defense here (should start at 6:47)... Not only do they leave Kadary wide open to shoot and sag off of him, the defender picks JG3 over a closer Braswell to defend. I think Coach K is a better game planner than we are.

Yeah, im not arguing that teams played off him - some more than others. 10 feet is an enormous exaggeration. The first clip I see is Kadary getting to the rack anyway.

Kid played well all year. People want to make up narratives after the fact to defend everything JB did as some genius move, and I’m not buying.

Team played a lot better when he was in the game, and it sucks that we lost him.

 

[CusefanATL]

Yeah, im not arguing that teams played off him - some more than others. 10 feet is an enormous exaggeration. The first clip I see is Kadary getting to the rack anyway.

Kid played well all year. People want to make up narratives after the fact to defend everything JB did as some genius move, and I’m not buying.

Team played a lot better when he was in the game, and it sucks that we lost him.

paragraph 2: i am not guy...

but on that exact same token - people want to make up narratives after the fact to claim Kadary is some locked and loaded lotto pick and I am not currently buying. He should have started over JG3, i dont think many would argue that. but hes not a shooter at this point and his game was inconsistent especially towards the end of the year. (dont get me wrong, jg3's was too)

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I think you will be proven wrong. He does have to eliminate the stupid shots. With other good shooters out there, I hope he will.

I was told with Buddy and Griff that Joe’s shooting would improve this year as well. Joe has shown us who he is.

 

[kcsu]

I think you will be proven wrong. He does have to eliminate the stupid shots. With other good shooters out there, I hope he will.

Joe needs to improve his handle. He needs to develop a left hand. He can shoot but without a solid handle he will never be a decent PG. I hope Jim plays Symir at the point and brings Joe in for Buddy and Symir off the bench.

 

[kcsu]

I don't know what our injuries will be. So to make a prediction is difficult. But if we are healthy, and our schedule isn't ridiculous, and by that I mean the ACC doesn't pork us with easy games at home and tough games on the road, if it is fair, we will be better than that. I suggest you read the Generals take on our new guys.

A PG is the QB. Its the most important position on the team. A great PG makes everyone else better. A weak PG can ruin a team.
Joe is mediocre. Regardless of what he does this off season its obvious that his ceiling is fairly low. Hes a small streaky 2 playing out of position. It is what it is. Jim made his choice. Lets hope hes right.

 

[CusefanATL]

Joe is mediocre. Regardless of what he does this off season its obvious that his ceiling is fairly low. Hes a small streaky 2 playing out of position. It is what it is. Jim made his choice. Lets hope hes right.

If it is what it is, how can Jim be right? Doesn't your definition already prove him wrong?