Kadari and the 3

[CusefanATL]

Scoop Jardine shot the ball way better than Joe and I don’t consider him a good shooter.

Joe has a reputation as a good shooter and I really don’t believe it.

He is a high volume scorer who can make shots.

He is a SG on most teams or a 3rd guard on good teams.

We have him playing out of position and it doesn’t help him.

I’ll take JG3 in the shooting contest and you can have Scoop. His high volume non sense has to stop. and his shooting % would skyrocket.

 

[djcon57]

I’ll take JG3 in the shooting contest and you can have Scoop. His high volume non sense has to stop. and his shooting % would skyrocket.

part of being a scoring point guard is creating space. Scoop had the threat of a drive. I dont believe Joes numbers would go up unless he moved to SG...but you could be right if he improved his shot selection, we’ll see what he does surrounded by all these shooters. Clearly his main role needs to be facilitator

 

[RF2044]

I believe all 3 were with the games out of reach (2 late vs SDS but there were so many 3's in the last 2 min its hard to remember straight and the 1 vs houston - SDS still to the best day, the best over hit in the history of sports - not talked about enough. something like 7 straight 3 point makes and like 30+ points in less than 3 minutes to cover by 1).

you take those meaningless 3/3 away and hes like 25% with a restriction of only shooting WIDE OPEN 3's... his shot just isnt there. he had some bad clanks this season...

granted, jg3 got away with crossover step back turnaround 30 footers but there is no comparing jg3 and kadary shot. jg3 can shoot. kadary could not this season.

Why would you take made shots away?

I never understand why people want to manipulate statistics that way. If you take away his misses...

Ultimately, you shoot what you shoot.

 

[OrangeDW]

7/21 aint great when no one picks you up outside of 10 feet. He literally was getting the Zion treatment.

4/18 (prior to garbage time 3/3) is even worse. kadary could not shoot this season. thats not a question. everyone saw it amd anyone that disagrees with that is seeing weird hindsight non sensical BS. he probably had 4 misses that were off the backboard or airballs this season.

1st paragraph: 10 feet?? Seriously? You made that up.

2nd paragraph: Now I’m confused on when small sample sizes matter and when they don’t? He was an adequate mid range and FT shooter all year, who had the cuffs on and barely took 3s. And now he’s gone. Sucks for us.

 

[OrangeDW]

Why would you take made shots away?

I never understand why people want to manipulate statistics that way. If you take away his misses...

Ultimately, you shoot what you shoot.

The spin in these threads is insane.

 

[two3zone]

I’ll take JG3 in the shooting contest and you can have Scoop. His high volume non sense has to stop. and his shooting % would skyrocket.

If you go by shooting contests in a game then you’d lose and Scoop would win.

My grandfather wouldn’t miss a shot from the top of the key at 80 years old, I would’ve destroyed the old man and he wouldn’t have made one if I checked him.

 

[two3zone]

I believe all 3 were with the games out of reach (2 late vs SDS but there were so many 3's in the last 2 min its hard to remember straight and the 1 vs houston - SDS still to the best day, the best over hit in the history of sports - not talked about enough. something like 7 straight 3 point makes and like 30+ points in less than 3 minutes to cover by 1).

you take those meaningless 3/3 away and hes like 25% with a restriction of only shooting WIDE OPEN 3's... his shot just isnt there. he had some bad clanks this season...

granted, jg3 got away with crossover step back turnaround 30 footers but there is no comparing jg3 and kadary shot. jg3 can shoot. kadary could not this season.

Joe had only 8 games where he shot more than 40 percent, if I take away those games...

See how dumb that sounds?

 

[Alsacs]

I’ll take JG3 in the shooting contest and you can have Scoop. His high volume non sense has to stop. and his shooting % would skyrocket.

I’ll take Scoop.
He shot the ball better.
He wasn’t a “shooter” though.

Neither is Joe.

 

[dasher]

Joe is shooting career 39% 2 point range and 32.8% from 3.
How does that qualify him as a good shooter?

He can make shots but he misses a lot more. I don’t consider him a good shooter he is okay.
I don’t want Joe having a green light.

Go back and look at a lot of our real good shooters. They didn't become that until their Jr years. I expect Joe to improve his shooting % a lot next year.

 

[dasher]

I’ll take Scoop.
He shot the ball better.
He wasn’t a “shooter” though.

Neither is Joe.

I think you will be proven wrong. He does have to eliminate the stupid shots. With other good shooters out there, I hope he will.

 

[Halfmooncuse]

I hope he told JG Not to take away ups

 

[Alsacs]

I think you will be proven wrong. He does have to eliminate the stupid shots. With other good shooters out there, I hope he will.

Scoop shot 39% from 3 as a sophomore.
Shot 36% from 3 as a Junior.
38% from 3 as a Senior.

He shot solidly after his freshman year plus he was a career 49.9% shooter from 2.

Our players you are talking about weren’t playing as much as Joe was as a Freshman and Sophomore.

Expecting better shot selection from Joe with only one guard on the bench is not something I see.
Joe has played a lot already.
His 2 point percentage is not going to get better unless he can beat ACC defenders off the dribble.

 

[dasher]

Scoop shot 39% from 3 as a sophomore.
Shot 36% from 3 as a Junior.
38% from 3 as a Senior.

He shot solidly after his freshman year plus he was a career 49.9% shooter from 2.

Our players you are talking about weren’t playing as much as Joe has a Freshman and Sophomore.

Joe has played a lot already.
His 2 point percentage is not going to get better unless he can beat ACC defenders off the dribble.

Well, let's look at some "good" shooters
Andy Rautins 3 pt FT Demetris Nichols James Southerland

Frosh .326 .500 .236 .444 .292 .500
Soph .356 .708 .250 .722 .368 .700
Jr .366 .733 .363 .677 .331 .697
Sr .407 .815 .407 . 815 .398 .789
Hard to understand from that but every player got much better as they got older. And so will Joe. What were we saying about those three after their first three years? Well, no need to wonder. They were saying the same things people are saying about Joe. And down the line, we will be including Joe in this list.

 

[mark79]

I believe Joe can shoot. But he needs to get used to facilitating and not taking any shot he wants. All of that shooting and hero ball in high school is fine and was good for high school but doesn’t easily translate at the college level.

 

[djcon57]

Go back and look at a lot of our real good shooters. They didn't become that until their Jr years. I expect Joe to improve his shooting % a lot next year.

Cooney was an interesting one. His numbers decreased dramatically his Jr year.
thanks Kaleb Joseph.

Having a good point guard matters.

with Ennis, he shot 37.5 from 3
with Joseph, 31
with G, 35

 

[dasher]

Cooney was an interesting one. His numbers decreased dramatically his Jr year.
thanks Kaleb Joseph.

Having a good point guard matters.

with Ennis, he shot 37.5 from 3
with Joseph, 31
with G, 35

I believe Joe can shoot. But he needs to get used to facilitating and not taking any shot he wants. All of that shooting and hero ball in high school is fine and was good for high school but doesn’t easily translate at the college level.

Exactly, true.

 

[Alsacs]

Well, let's look at some "good" shooters
Andy Rautins 3 pt FT Demetris Nichols James Southerland

Frosh .326 .500 .236 .444 .292 .500
Soph .356 .708 .250 .722 .368 .700
Jr .366 .733 .363 .677 .331 .697
Sr .407 .815 .407 . 815 .398 .789
Hard to understand from that but every player got much better as they got older. And so will Joe. What were we saying about those three after their first three years? Well, no need to wonder. They were saying the same things people are saying about Joe. And down the line, we will be including Joe in this list.

Those guys weren’t playing mid 20 MPG thru their second year like Joe has.
More PT allows them to change their numbers.

Joe has played more than any of those guys already thru his second year.

Joe would actually benefit from playing less because he would take less bad shots.
Plus he is suppose to be the PG not a shooter.

 

[djcon57]

GMac also got worse through the years percentage wise

again, once Melo, Hak, Billy E, etc left

 

[dasher]

Those guys weren’t playing mid 20 MPG thru their second year like Joe has.
More PT allows them to change their numbers.

Joe has played more than any of those guys already thru his second year.

Joe would actually benefit from playing less because he would take less bad shots.
Plus he is suppose to be the PG not a shooter.

That is spin. That's all. the older these guys got, the more they got it. Joe went up by 10 pts in 3 pt shooting this year. He is already a better free throw shooter over two years than those guys. Wayne Gretsky (sp) was asked what made him a great hockey player. He said he skated to where the punk was going to be, not where it was. Right now, you are skating to where Joe is. Not where he is going to be. He needs to shoot better shots. But he can shoot. And just like the other guys, his numbers will get better as he ages. I expect a almost Buddy type of improvement from him. Many here skated to where Buddy was early in the year. Not me.

 

[Alsacs]

That is spin. That's all. the older these guys got, the more they got it. Joe went up by 10 pts in 3 pt shooting this year. He is already a better free throw shooter over two years than those guys. Wayne Gretsky (sp) was asked what made him a great hockey player. He said he skated to where the punk was going to be, not where it was. Right now, you are skating to where Joe is. Not where he is going to be. He needs to shoot better shots. But he can shoot. And just like the other guys, his numbers will get better as he ages.

Spin?
I say people saying Joe is a good shooter is spin.

His numbers say he isn’t a good shooter.
His HS numbers were all high volume.
I think it’s spin that Joe is considered a good shooter.
I think he is average.
I wouldn’t want him shooting with a green light.
I would like him to get better at penetrating and being able to score off floaters.

 

[dasher]

GMac also got worse through the years percentage wise

again, once Melo, Hak, Billy E, etc left

I seem to remember he had guys with him early in his career that were really good. And at the end of his career he played with guys that we wouldn't have won 10 games without him. He took a lot of bad shots late in his career because he had to.

 

[dasher]

Spin?
I say people saying Joe is a good shooter is spin.

His numbers say he isn’t a good shooter.
His HS numbers were all high volume.
I think it’s spin that Joe is considered a good shooter.
I think he is average.
I wouldn’t want him shooting with a green light.

the same stuff was said about Buddy and not that long ago. And by the use of those same numbers, you would have said that about Rautins, Nichols and Southerland. That is the point. The good news is that we will find out over the next two years.

 

[Alsacs]

the same stuff was said about Buddy and not that long ago.

Buddy is a SG.
Joe is supposedly the PG.

Plus Buddy shot better in AAU with the EBYL, buddy played at Brewster and Buddy had solid shooting numbers as a Sophomore.

Buddy isn’t being tasked with running the offense. Joe is.
Joe’s shooting numbers aren’t as good as Buddy’s.

 

[dasher]

Buddy is a SG.
Joe is supposedly the PG.

Plus Buddy shot better in AAU with the EBYL, buddy played at Brewster and Buddy had solid shooting numbers as a Sophomore.

Buddy isn’t being tasked with running the offense. Joe is.
Joe’s shooting numbers aren’t as good as Buddy’s.

aren't??? Who said they were. But what was said about Buddy early this year? He is a great shooter. Not good. I expect Joe will make a jump. The one good thing about you is that you will admit next year that you were wrong.

 

[Bball44]

I think you will be proven wrong. He does have to eliminate the stupid shots. With other good shooters out there, I hope he will.

A game where any 3 of Buddy, Cole, Benny and Joe are cooking from outside will be a blowout.