Kadary Richmond...

[Cusefan0307]

In a normal year, I’d agree with you. But none of these have been able to be normal in 8 months. I think there is time yet for at least Goodine to prove himself. I feel like getting Carey was a failure on the coaching staff. He’s not really a PG nor can he shoot. Just doesn’t fit in our system.

I could agree if other transfers were struggling just as bad, but there’s a lot around the country who look good to great including Alan Griffin. Carey was also absolutely terrible in Italy and that was against teams we beat by 50. I specifically remember posting he looked bad during that trip. I’m not surprised for where he’s at.

 

[Red Holzman]

People are bailing on Joe too quickly. I am all in on Richmond and do believe he needs to be 25 mins a game. Once Joe breaks his slump though it will be clear why we need him. He brings a different element. Also everyone should re watch the last game. Joe's defense was fine va Niagara. The team defense was as good as any time last year vs Niagara.

Joe missed shots and had a couple bad TOs vs Niagara but otherwise he played fine. This is not a K vs J thing now simply that K is the real deal. How about we stop crapping all over the only decent PG we had last year? He is a sophomore and is a 4-5 yr player. Come on folks.. sheesh.

My take is that most posters respect and appreciate what Joe did last year, and are simply addressing the reality that Kadary appears to be a much stronger candidate for starting PG.
It's not "crapping all over" Joe by acknowledging that, and appears most agree that Joe remains an important asset and should get reasonable (ie: not 40) minutes.
It's not like everyone wants Joe kicked to the curb -just playing a new role that arguably suits him better for his remaining 3-4 years.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Thus far the same applies to Goodine. Though he is a year younger.

Maybe he’s actually a better shooter than he’s shown and with time will start making them.

Based on him winning the three point contest over Buddy and Joe, I think it’s clear he can shoot. He just needs to find his confidence again.

 

[OrangeDW]

Im just getting really excited that we could have Kadary, Benny, Griffin, and Quincy - guys who are highly talented and athletic/big for their positions...to go with a veteran sharpshooter in Buddy. Plus Girard. I think this season proves to be a solid team, though Sidibe’s injury and Buddy’s absence are certainly significant hurdles and will almost surely cost us some W’s.

But the way things are looking, we could be really, really good next year. If just one center emerges as a decent player, we’ll be loaded.

 

[Jake]

There's no doubt in my mind that JB sees how much more effective his backcourt can be with a Kadary - Buddy combination. I actually think he will eventually make the move to replace JGIII in the starting lineup.

 

[moqui]

i, too, am high on kadary & what he adds to the squad

but niagara sucks. i want to see him against better competition before i advocate replacing what was a top 10 acc freshman last year. and rider is not good enough to convince me, either. but we know he'll get a lot of minutes vs rutgers so that should really tell us something of value.

yeah, joe is off to a bad start and that is concerning . . . but he did it on the floor against serious competition last year. and we know we want him on the floor for ft shooting at the end of a close game . . . we don't really know that about kadary yet

plus i've learned it's better to think of guys as complementary players competing against other teams, not in competition with one another. when i do that & have a favorite i often end up rooting against the other guy & that's not good or fair

 

[sdorange]

Besides getting minimum15-20 min per game I think in any game Cuse is up by a little down the stretch Kadary will close out games if only for his defensive abilities were he is far superior to JG.
JB could even go offense/defense in this situation give JG's FT ability

 

[Orangezoo]

Uh, I don't know what parts of the game you're referring to, but in the Bryant game I watched Buddy and Joe get beat time and time again on the dribble, and in the first half, what did they let in, 10 threes? Most were not seriously contested.

On one play burned into my memory, Buddy, half-heartedly sort of "closed" on a shooter at the top of the key, who passed it to his left to a wide open man. He was maybe 2 or 3 steps further away from Buddy as the pass was being made. Buddy just stopped, and left the guy wide open, instead of continuing toward the shooter, just as a distraction.

This second game. I counted 3 plays in a row where a Niagara guy just drove past Joe into the lane in the first half, before we blew it open. I also saw Joe waving frantically for other guys to give him the ball on offense early in a couple possessions so he could jack a three when he was something like 1 of 6 at that point.

Re watch the game. I did and posted about it. I will leave it at that. I'm not reposting that entire thread but there was one weak closeout and 1 easy penetration by Buddy the entire first half of the Bryant game. What I thought I saw live was not what I saw the second time. Also- I pointed out how bad Joe was on D in game 1 too. He was much better in game 2.

 

[IthacaMatt]

If Carey and Goodine were so good you would think they would be tearing it up at their new schools. Richmond is better than both and so is Girard.

I think you're kind of dismissing the fact that people have to settle into a new school, new friends, new coach, new teammates, new culture. Eveeryone's adjustment period is different.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Dumars is definitely a good comparison but just watching this - the hesi dribble, finishing in traffic and even the disposition on the court. Once Richmond starts dropping the 3 ball these two are almost clones to me.

Yep. That’s a better comp.

 

[IthacaMatt]

i, too, am high on kadary & what he adds to the squad

but niagara sucks. i want to see him against better competition before i advocate replacing what was a top 10 acc freshman last year. and rider is not good enough to convince me, either. but we know he'll get a lot of minutes vs rutgers so that should really tell us something of value.

yeah, joe is off to a bad start and that is concerning . . . but he did it on the floor against serious competition last year. and we know we want him on the floor for ft shooting at the end of a close game . . . we don't really know that about kadary yet

plus i've learned it's better to think of guys as complementary players competing against other teams, not in competition with one another. when i do that & have a favorite i often end up rooting against the other guy & that's not good or fair

I agree with you. I don't think that Kadary should suddenly start and play 30 minutes a game. The point is that surely he's good enough to play meaningful minutes and have a positive impact on the team. He improves our defense. He improves out fast break. He can get into the lane a bit.
Girard is hearing footsteps, forcing his shot and playing terrible defense. Buddy played terrible defense in game one, too, but overcame that with a couple hot shooting spells. But Buddy clearly would have been better sitting down for 10 minutes or so.

When Girard was 0-6, Boeheim shouldn't have waited for the 0-10 for him to finally make a couple. That's like the Knicks playing John Starks in game 7 down the stretch when he's already 1-15 and he keeps jacking them up! Isn't anybody watching the damn game?

My soapbox, for a few years now, is to play a deeper bench. Rest players when they are tired or injured and give the next guy a chance. What do you have to lose?
You find out that maybe that guy who didn't impress you in practice is a bit more "on" when he's on television and the folks back home are watching, regardless of if fans are even in the arena. I think we had a few of those last game. That's all I'm saying.

Buddy and Joe are weak on defense. Others are not as bad. Give them a 4 minute shot until the next TV timeout when the other team's defense is lighting us up. How hard is that to do?

We might actually stop losing 14 freaking games every year and perpetually living on The Bubble.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Re watch the game. I did and posted about it. I will leave it at that. I'm not reposting that entire thread but there was one weak closeout and 1 easy penetration by Buddy the entire first half of the Bryant game. What I thought I saw live was not what I saw the second time. Also- I pointed out how bad Joe was on D in game 1 too. He was much better in game 2.

Hey zoo, question for you since you did the homework. Was part of the reason many of us thought Buddy was poor defensively that first game because the wings were late to react, so it appeared Buddy was out of position? I could totally see that with Griffin trying to learn the slides.

 

[Cusesky8214]

 

[Orangezoo]

Hey zoo, question for you since you did the homework. Was part of the reason many of us thought Buddy was poor defensively that first game because the wings were late to react, so it appeared Buddy was out of position? I could totally see that with Griffin trying to learn the slides.

It was 100 pct along with Joe. Joe was the real issue not Buddy. Also transition D as a team was borderline non existent too.

 

[kcsu]

Another solid game from Kadary. He is extremely smooth for a frosh. His length causes a ton of issues for opponents and he has excellent anticipation.
JB is correct. Hes not in great shape which hurts his shot as he gets tired. Kids got huge upside and i think JB is going to ride him just enough to get the best out of him. Really liked how Joe and him played together today.