Kadary Richmond...

[kcsu]

There is only one reason that Joe would play more than Kadary. Favouritism.
Joe is a role player. He needs to come off the bench.
He is to small, slow, has a weak handle, average shooter to date and a huge liability on defense.
The fact that he scored 50 a game in a small school league and was recruited by Gmac got him the opportunity. He has been afforded more time than most because Jim plays favorites and because he didn't have many options last year.
We will not win many ACC games with Joe as our lead PG unless he improves dramatically in all phases of the game. At this point Joe wouldn't have started for Bryant or Niagara. He simply isnt playing well.
Kadary is an elite talent who has a legitimate chance to make the NBA. At a minimum he will play basketball for a living.
He is 6'6 long, has an excellent handle, vision, can penetrate and create. Defensively its not even up for debate he is in a different universe than Joe or Buddy.
Kadary and Buddy need to start. Teams will not be able to shade Buddy as Kadary will eat them alive going to the hole. Buddy will become a much better scorer and defender with Kadary in the game. Simply put Kadary makes the team exponentially better. Anyone with any basketball background can see that.
Last point he will in the long run make Joe better. I think if Joe can find his stroke his role should be as a spark type of player. Instant O zone buster.
The combinations should be
Buddy and Kadary. Kadary and Joe. Kadary needs to be the constant as he is a true PG and Buddy and Joe are both true shooting guards ( 2s)

 

[lindros2]

Where will this debate go after Kadary has his first bad game? Second?
Chalk it up to being a freshman, people will say.
Then out will come the pitchforks.
Let’s hope Buddy stays in shape the next 10 days.

 

[kcsu]

Where will this debate go after Kadary has his first bad game? Second?
Chalk it up to being a freshman, people will say.
Then out will come the pitchforks.
Let’s hope Buddy stays in shape the next 10 days.

Joe has had 2 bad games against 2 very weak opponents.
Kadary needs to play as his upside is evident. Joe has had a full season. He has played over 35 minutes per game for a complete season and the first 2 games of this year. He has had 2 full years of practice. In short Joe isnt going to miraculously morph into an elite ACC PG.
I hope and expect that he will have games that he gets hot and lights it up. But he isnt the answer at PG. He is what he is which is a very good basketball player who is limited by a lack of size and athleticism. Unfortunately those 2 areas are not going to change.

 

[Red Holzman]

Joe has had 2 bad games against 2 very weak opponents.
Kadary needs to play as his upside is evident. Joe has had a full season. He has played over 35 minutes per game for a complete season and the first 2 games of this year. He has had 2 full years of practice. In short Joe isnt going to miraculously morph into an elite ACC PG.
I hope and expect that he will have games that he gets hot and lights it up. But he isnt the answer at PG. He is what he is which is a very good basketball player who is limited by a lack of size and athleticism. Unfortunately those 2 areas are not going to change.

kcsu nails it -bolded. Joe gives his all but is limited, while Kadary has "the look" with huge upside.
Kudos to Joe for being able to unexpectedly step in as starting PG last season when SU desperately needed him to, and make the most of that opportunity considering his limitations.
That said, because of his limitations, Joe as starting PG for 4yr (let alone for 40") is not a recipe for success.
Yes it's just one game, but obvious that Kadary has much more promise as SU's PG.
Joe will never fill a stat sheet like Kadary did vs Niagara, and never match Kadary's size/athleticism/defense.

The sooner Kadary takes over PG the better, far as I'm concerned. Get him settled in there ASAP.
Fewer minutes with some more time at 2 guard could be a role that Joe shines in, with Kadary creating lots of open looks for him. That role seems more suited for what Joe brings to the table.

 

[Alsacs]

Where will this debate go after Kadary has his first bad game? Second?
Chalk it up to being a freshman, people will say.
Then out will come the pitchforks.
Let’s hope Buddy stays in shape the next 10 days.

Playing defense has always mattered more than offensive ability for JB.

Nobody with eyeballs can say Girard is a better defender than Richmond.
For defense alone if Richmond struggles offensively he should play the most minutes.
He made plays in the zone we haven’t seen from Buddy and Joe.

We should have enough offense as a team whether Richmond struggled or not.

The problem with Syracuse basketball isn’t we haven’t had a complete team outside 2016.

You need offense, shooting, defense, and defender for the middle.

We don’t have defense with Joe and Buddy. It’s give up points and out shoot the opponent.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Where will this debate go after Kadary has his first bad game? Second?
Chalk it up to being a freshman, people will say.
Then out will come the pitchforks.
Let’s hope Buddy stays in shape the next 10 days.

Perhaps among the smoothbrains. Everybody has a bad game; it doesn't change the exceptional physical and mental tools that Kadary has at his disposal. He's inexperienced, but he was made to play at the top of that zone.

 

[Bayside44]

There is only one reason that Joe would play more than Kadary. Favouritism.
Joe is a role player. He needs to come off the bench.
He is to small, slow, has a weak handle, average shooter to date and a huge liability on defense.
The fact that he scored 50 a game in a small school league and was recruited by Gmac got him the opportunity. He has been afforded more time than most because Jim plays favorites and because he didn't have many options last year.
We will not win many ACC games with Joe as our lead PG unless he improves dramatically in all phases of the game. At this point Joe wouldn't have started for Bryant or Niagara. He simply isnt playing well.
Kadary is an elite talent who has a legitimate chance to make the NBA. At a minimum he will play basketball for a living.
He is 6'6 long, has an excellent handle, vision, can penetrate and create. Defensively its not even up for debate he is in a different universe than Joe or Buddy.
Kadary and Buddy need to start. Teams will not be able to shade Buddy as Kadary will eat them alive going to the hole. Buddy will become a much better scorer and defender with Kadary in the game. Simply put Kadary makes the team exponentially better. Anyone with any basketball background can see that.
Last point he will in the long run make Joe better. I think if Joe can find his stroke his role should be as a spark type of player. Instant O zone buster.
The combinations should be
Buddy and Kadary. Kadary and Joe. Kadary needs to be the constant as he is a true PG and Buddy and Joe are both true shooting guards ( 2s)

He got the opportunity because Carey and Goodine flopped and he could at least shoot it otherwise it's 5 on 4 out there.

 

[kcsu]

He got the opportunity because Carey and Goodine flopped and he could at least shoot it otherwise it's 5 on 4 out there.

Carey and Goodine were given up on too soon. Still i agree with you, last year Joe was our only option at the point and he did an admirable job.
Fortunately Griff and Red landed Kadary and we actually have a true PG, one who is going to be exceptional.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Carey and Goodine were given up on too soon. Still i agree with you, last year Joe was our only option at the point and he did an admirable job.
Fortunately Griff and Red landed Kadary and we actually have a true PG, one who is going to be exceptional.

If Carey and Goodine were so good you would think they would be tearing it up at their new schools. Richmond is better than both and so is Girard.

 

[Orangezoo]

People are bailing on Joe too quickly. I am all in on Richmond and do believe he needs to be 25 mins a game. Once Joe breaks his slump though it will be clear why we need him. He brings a different element. Also everyone should re watch the last game. Joe's defense was fine va Niagara. The team defense was as good as any time last year vs Niagara.

Joe missed shots and had a couple bad TOs vs Niagara but otherwise he played fine. This is not a K vs J thing now simply that K is the real deal. How about we stop crapping all over the only decent PG we had last year? He is a sophomore and is a 4-5 yr player. Come on folks.. sheesh.

 

[Bayside44]

Carey and Goodine were given up on too soon. Still i agree with you, last year Joe was our only option at the point and he did an admirable job.
Fortunately Griff and Red landed Kadary and we actually have a true PG, one who is going to be exceptional.

Carey cannot shoot. Goodline might not has been the most disciplined kid either on top of not taking advantage of an opportunity when he had it.

 

[Orangezoo]

Carey cannot shoot. Goodline might not has been the most disciplined kid either on top of not taking advantage of an opportunity when he had it.

I may eat my words on Goodine so far this year. He has added weight but looks really awful in his cameos. Looks disinterested out there.

Jalen has found a home. He will always be a SF/PF in a guards body but he works hard, plays defense ,rebounds and finishes on the break. He is perfect for URI. Doesn't mean we undervalued him just that he wasn't who we thought he could be.

 

[Cusefan0307]

People are bailing on Joe too quickly. I am all in on Richmond and do believe he needs to be 25 mins a game. Once Joe breaks his slump though it will be clear why we need him. He brings a different element. Also everyone should re watch the last game. Joe's defense was fine va Niagara. The team defense was as good as any time last year vs Niagara.

Joe missed shots and had a couple bad TOs vs Niagara but otherwise he played fine. This is not a K vs J thing now simply that K is the real deal. How about we stop crapping all over the only decent PG we had last year? He is a sophomore and is a 4-5 yr player. Come on folks.. sheesh.

Yeah we need 4 year guys mixed in with elite talent. That’s how we were good before. Way too many fans want to give up on guys early and it’s maddening. I remember Ryan Archiadiacano shooting like 29% from 3 his freshman year for Nova and he ended up MOP of the FF. I’m just tired of arguing this.

 

[Orangezoo]

Yeah we need 4 year guys mixed in with elite talent. That’s how we were good before. Way too many fans want to give up on guys early and it’s maddening. I remember Ryan Archiadiacano shooting like 29% from 3 his freshman year for Nova and he ended up MOP of the FF. I’m just tired of arguing this.

I have a hunch Joe has a big game at RU. That will be a lot like his GF days gym wise so perfect bounce back shooting game.

 

[Alsacs]

People are bailing on Joe too quickly. I am all in on Richmond and do believe he needs to be 25 mins a game. Once Joe breaks his slump though it will be clear why we need him. He brings a different element. Also everyone should re watch the last game. Joe's defense was fine va Niagara. The team defense was as good as any time last year vs Niagara.

Joe missed shots and had a couple bad TOs vs Niagara but otherwise he played fine. This is not a K vs J thing now simply that K is the real deal. How about we stop crapping all over the only decent PG we had last year? He is a sophomore and is a 4-5 yr player. Come on folks.. sheesh.

We should all want Joe Girard types in the rotation.
I personally like him in the rotation.
What JB has done to break me is he doesn’t play rotations anymore. It’s been marathon men and little bench.
Like you get tenure and keep it till you leave.
That is what has broken me.
I want Girard to average 15-25 MPG depending on how hot he is.
He shouldn’t become a single digits MPG guy.

I just want an all around team. Joe and Buddy are a terrible defensive backcourt. That is why Richmond needs to play.

 

[Orangezoo]

We should all want Joe Girard types in the rotation.
I personally like him in the rotation.
What JB has done to break me is he doesn’t play rotations anymore. It’s been marathon men and little bench.
Like you get tenure and keep it till you leave.
That is what has broken me.
I want Girard to average 15-25 MPG depending on how hot he is.
He shouldn’t become a single digits MPG guy.

I just want an all around team. Joe and Buddy are a terrible defensive backcourt. That is why Richmond needs to play.

I think we will need his experience for sure. Buddy's defense in game 1 was very good on the rewatch. Joe's defense was much better in game 2 with the rewatch. Joe's value will be his experience and then his ability to put up points. He also is a good passer. Kadary is on a different talent level and it shows. That can't be understated. The 3 of them together is a potentially lethal backcourt mix.

Joe does need to accept being part of a rotation though. His attitude needs to improve. I think he is a good albeit cocky kid who can't let a bump in the road or a really talented teammate be a problem. It's an advantage and it will only give him more room to operate. Kadary will put teams on their heels and force them to gameplan for him.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Playing defense has always mattered more than offensive ability for JB.

It mattered until Buddy joined the team. Now it’s about spacing yada yada

 

[CousCuse]

Like it or not, Jim is playing JG3 into shape. He will make him play a lot of mins for the next couple of games. We need 3 guards for the ACC season.

 

[Orangezoo]

Dumars is definitely a good comparison but just watching this - the hesi dribble, finishing in traffic and even the disposition on the court. Once Richmond starts dropping the 3 ball these two are almost clones to me.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

We should all want Joe Girard types in the rotation.
I personally like him in the rotation.
What JB has done to break me is he doesn’t play rotations anymore. It’s been marathon men and little bench.
Like you get tenure and keep it till you leave.
That is what has broken me.
I want Girard to average 15-25 MPG depending on how hot he is.
He shouldn’t become a single digits MPG guy.

I just want an all around team. Joe and Buddy are a terrible defensive backcourt. That is why Richmond needs to play.

This is a good take.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I think we will need his experience for sure. Buddy's defense in game 1 was very good on the rewatch. Joe's defense was much better in game 2 with the rewatch.

Uh, I don't know what parts of the game you're referring to, but in the Bryant game I watched Buddy and Joe get beat time and time again on the dribble, and in the first half, what did they let in, 10 threes? Most were not seriously contested.

On one play burned into my memory, Buddy, half-heartedly sort of "closed" on a shooter at the top of the key, who passed it to his left to a wide open man. He was maybe 2 or 3 steps further away from Buddy as the pass was being made. Buddy just stopped, and left the guy wide open, instead of continuing toward the shooter, just as a distraction.

This second game. I counted 3 plays in a row where a Niagara guy just drove past Joe into the lane in the first half, before we blew it open. I also saw Joe waving frantically for other guys to give him the ball on offense early in a couple possessions so he could jack a three when he was something like 1 of 6 at that point.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

If Carey and Goodine were so good you would think they would be tearing it up at their new schools. Richmond is better than both and so is Girard.

In a normal year, I’d agree with you. But none of these have been able to be normal in 8 months. I think there is time yet for at least Goodine to prove himself. I feel like getting Carey was a failure on the coaching staff. He’s not really a PG nor can he shoot. Just doesn’t fit in our system.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Girard’s energy level looks like someone who just had mono. I’m not saying he had it, but that’s the way he appears on the court. He just looks a little lethargic and playing with less emotion.

 

[OrangeDW]

There is only one reason that Joe would play more than Kadary. Favouritism.
Joe is a role player. He needs to come off the bench.
He is to small, slow, has a weak handle, average shooter to date and a huge liability on defense.
The fact that he scored 50 a game in a small school league and was recruited by Gmac got him the opportunity. He has been afforded more time than most because Jim plays favorites and because he didn't have many options last year.
We will not win many ACC games with Joe as our lead PG unless he improves dramatically in all phases of the game. At this point Joe wouldn't have started for Bryant or Niagara. He simply isnt playing well.
Kadary is an elite talent who has a legitimate chance to make the NBA. At a minimum he will play basketball for a living.
He is 6'6 long, has an excellent handle, vision, can penetrate and create. Defensively its not even up for debate he is in a different universe than Joe or Buddy.
Kadary and Buddy need to start. Teams will not be able to shade Buddy as Kadary will eat them alive going to the hole. Buddy will become a much better scorer and defender with Kadary in the game. Simply put Kadary makes the team exponentially better. Anyone with any basketball background can see that.
Last point he will in the long run make Joe better. I think if Joe can find his stroke his role should be as a spark type of player. Instant O zone buster.
The combinations should be
Buddy and Kadary. Kadary and Joe. Kadary needs to be the constant as he is a true PG and Buddy and Joe are both true shooting guards ( 2s)

As many have noted, Bryant was in a zone in game 1 and as good as Kadary is - he hasn’t shown he can make 3s yet.

You’re being extra dramatic, as usual.

 

[OrangeDW]

He’s not really a PG nor can he shoot. Just doesn’t fit in our system.

Thus far the same applies to Goodine. Though he is a year younger.

Maybe he’s actually a better shooter than he’s shown and with time will start making them.