Kelly's Presser for SU

[fathertime]

Lol. It’s obvious he has an arm we haven’t had on the hill in a long time. He’s played two halves and a couple of drives and lit it up.

What people are excited about isn’t just this performances straight up. It’s that plus his arm.

WMU was his 1st game.

Lol lit it up against Wagner. Got yanked against NC State when all of you were clamoring for him to start. I love Tommy Touchdowns but y’all are so drunk on that koolaid. Grass isn’t always greener.

 

[zona]

So you think Notre Dame has the talent of Clemson?

Clemson has some 3* and some 4* and some 5* talent. Guess what so does Notre Dame. so yes I think we match up well to Clemson. We have a good chance to beat them where I do not think too many teams can beat Alabama. I think the talking heads underrate Notre Dame. i.e. the BS about Michigan jumping ND. Ask yourself this who has Clemson Beat in an a overall weak ACC conference. The answer is Syracuse. The other teams are weak or inconsistent like Pitt. And Pitt could be a division champ with 4 or 5 losses. The other question is do I think its possible that Syracuse could beat Notre Dame? absolutely. do they have the talent across the team to do it ? yes. Since Notre Dame has more talent across the board and a very good D it is more like notre dame wins. I think we are up by 7 going into the 4th and we add a cheap score late to make it look not as close. But it will be close. Just an opinion nothing to get upset about. It is like the majority of the fans here think Syracuse will win, We will see.

Then you know we were one play away from winning at Clemson.
A team that good doesn't need 40 different things to "go right" for us to win this game.
We have the number 1 special teams in football.
We have a strong pash rush and some young, but big physical DBs.
Our O Line is experienced, but only OK, not truly great.
Our D Line is very good. Not elite, but very good.
We have a maniac at QB. He knee kicks defenders in the chest and runs the ball like a linebacker.
It will be an interesting game. ND should be favored, and is, but by only about 8 or 9 points.
Syracuse has beaten ND three times, I believe, in the 2000s already, although it might only be two (Dome, at Notre Dame, and I can't remember if there was one more ... there was Willingham in the Dome, Chandler Jones or was it Art Jones at ND in the bad weather, and there was a Cam Dantley QB'd win, too. Am I double counting?).
You guys are good, but you're not Alabama. We can win this game.

In College football you still have to make the plays. If you look at the Ohio State losing to Purdue. It was great game but is Purdue better than Ohio State? not really. Did purdue deserve to win? absolutely. Can Syracuse win this game? yes. if notre dame plays its game without too many mistake Notre Dame wins. I agree with everything you said. I have said this repeatedly Syracuse is a very good team

 

[zona]

And if the Pitt kicker makes the 36 and 47 yard field goals, Notre Dame loses. He had a career day against us making 2 50 + kicks. or we win in regulation.

If notre dame makes their missed FG then what

 

[zona]

You map out a scheme as if we are a 4 td underdog. they are a TD better. we can play with them inside on both lines and we have the better qb. saying we need 3 tos and then a laundry list of things to go right? Gimme a break, pay attention.

I explained in more but I cannot help if you are getting insulted over an opinion

 

[Cuseman78]

Lol lit it up against Wagner. Got yanked against NC State when all of you were clamoring for him to start. I love Tommy Touchdowns but y’all are so drunk on that koolaid. Grass isn’t always greener.

Oof, you sir don't seem to have any idea what you're watching. Tommy was good against FSU and REALLY good against UNC. And the kid has a cannon. Something tells me you won't be around next year to eat some crow.

 

[FrancoPizza]

I'm troubled by how badly he missed some passes these past couple games after he was so outstanding against NC State.

If you think about it, this narrative was ongoing before NC State. Trying to look at this objectively, I don't think his shoulder has ever been 100%. It might have been feeling better vs State and then felt sore again afterward. Who knows. Let's hope adrenaline takes over Saturday.

 

[fathertime]

Oof, you sir don't seem to have any idea what you're watching. Tommy was good against FSU and REALLY good against UNC. And the kid has a cannon. Something tells me you won't be around next year to eat some crow.

He was fine versus FSU, nothing spectacular. He’s been unimpressive more often than he’s been impressive. Take the orange goggles off for a second. Kid can sling it, he’s still inconsistent. We don’t even know if the job is his next year - even look at what Dungey said about Amie in his season preview.

My skepticism towards Devito is healthy. Don’t get it twisted. Kid can play and we should be excited to see what he can do, but people are WAY too high on this kid. He had a great game against UNC, who is the worst team in the ACC. Temper your expectations, you’ve still got Dungey at the helm who is a top 15 QB in the country. If Devito was better he’d start, Dino would have no problem doing that... and in Dino I trust.

 

[TheCusian]

He was fine versus FSU, nothing spectacular. He’s been unimpressive more often than he’s been impressive. Take the orange goggles off for a second. Kid can sling it, he’s still inconsistent. We don’t even know if the job is his next year - even look at what Dungey said about Amie in his season preview.

My skepticism towards Devito is healthy. Don’t get it twisted. Kid can play and we should be excited to see what he can do, but people are WAY too high on this kid. He had a great game against UNC, who is the worst team in the ACC. Temper your expectations, you’ve still got Dungey at the helm who is a top 15 QB in the country. If Devito was better he’d start, Dino would have no problem doing that... and in Dino I trust.

This is the stuff that cracks me up. Cool it with the Kool-aid crap. This board does a good job of evaluating pretty evenly push come to shove.

Inconsistency is normal for a freshman seeing his first time on the field. He's not immune to that. I'm basing my opinion on *how he throws* and the idea that he'll grow into a very good starter sooner rather than later. Also - that Dino gave him a ton of 1st team reps all year says a lot. I trust his eye more than yours. If you trust Dino, you gotta give the kid more respect. He pushed ED, legitimately.

If Chance pushes TD for the spot next year - that says more about him than Tommy, in my opinion.

Also UNC is not the worst team in the ACC. That would be the Louisville Cards.

 

[fathertime]

This is the stuff that cracks me up. Cool it with the Kool-aid crap. This board does a good job of evaluating pretty evenly push come to shove.

Inconsistency is normal for a freshman seeing his first time on the field. He's not immune to that. I'm basing my opinion on *how he throws* and the idea that he'll grow into a very good starter sooner rather than later. Also - that Dino gave him a ton of 1st team reps all year says a lot. I trust his eye more than yours. If you trust Dino, you gotta give the kid more respect. He pushed ED, legitimately.

If Chance pushes TD for the spot next year - that says more about him than Tommy, in my opinion.

Also UNC is not the worst team in the ACC. That would be the Louisville Cards.

The fact that I’m being crucified for my original comment, which was: that this board gives Devito a free pass - has been verified by the pure and utter petty backlash.

I think my criticism of TD is fair and healthy and will create a fair expectation of him moving forward.

I agree with your comment on Amie, my suggestion was more toward the fact that he’s been anointed and is infallible without really proving he’s a consistently good QB - he’s occasionally great

Don’t nitpick that UNC comment, both those teams are equally garbage.

 

[TheCusian]

The fact that I’m being crucified for my original comment, which was: that this board gives Devito a free pass - has been verified by the pure and utter petty backlash.

I think my criticism of TD is fair and healthy and will create a fair expectation of him moving forward.

I agree with your comment on Amie, my suggestion was more toward the fact that he’s been anointed and is infallible without really proving he’s a consistently good QB - he’s occasionally great

Don’t nitpick that UNC comment, both those teams are equally garbage.

Look - you're getting killed because you're painting the whole board with a broad brush over a pretty subjective topic.

 

[fathertime]

Look - you're getting killed because you're painting the whole board with a broad brush over a pretty subjective topic.

It is rare to find criticism of Devito on this board...

 

[ForCuseSake]

In College football you still have to make the plays. If you look at the Ohio State losing to Purdue. It was great game but is Purdue better than Ohio State? not really. Did purdue deserve to win? absolutely. Can Syracuse win this game? yes. if notre dame plays its game without too many mistake Notre Dame wins. I agree with everything you said. I have said this repeatedly Syracuse is a very good team

I don't follow the logic that says a team (Purdue) that curb stomps an opponent (OSU) by 29 points is inferior.

Regarding a way for a Syracuse victory would follow like this:
1) Win the turnover battle by 3 or greater.
2) cash in on these opportunities
3) Special Teams need to be special for the Orange a Blocked punt / KR that type of thing

Most teams win easily if all 3 of these happen unless there is a gigantic talent disparity (JV vs. Varsity).

I agree that ND's talent level is superior. The good news for us is that we've beaten more talented teams, even when losing the turnover battle AND not blocking or returning a kick (see Clemson 2017).

Syracuse wins comfortably if it is +3 TOs AND blocks or returns a kick.

And I will be dancing a drunken jig outta Yankees Stadium.

 

[billsin01]

Its a weird dynamic when a starter, talented starter like wimbush sits, gains perspective and gets hungrier, comes back in and kills it. Thus , i want book.

I get what you're saying and I agree with it in a lot of instances. just don't think it applies here. It's sort of like saying I'm not really afraid of the guy who has been an absolute stud on the field because the guy behind him might be even more of a stud if he ever figures it out.

I mean, i prefer the eyeball test sometimes for these things and I've watched ND all year, but just look at the numbers:

Book is completing 21% more of his passes (look at that number -- it's insane) and he's even doing so while averaging nearly 2 yards more per attempt (1.8) and nearly doubling Wimbush in adjusted yards/attempt (accounting for TDs/INTs). That all adds up to a rating that is more than 55 points better. That's crazy.

And on the ground? Book doesn't run as often, but their effectiveness is almost identical:
Book: 65 carries, 218, 3.4 ypc, 4 TDs
Wimbush: 64 carries, 212, 3.3 1 TD

Obviously Wimbush runs more, but to what end? Not much as far as the scoring offense is concerned. ND is scoring 38.8 ppg with Book, 28 ppg (6 starts) with Wimbush (4 starts).

The best argument for Wimbush is if you give him a bunch of credit for the Michigan win -- made some really nice plays with his legs and came up with a few big plays through the air while taking care of the ball. Book meanwhile has feasted on largely terrible defenses outside of Stanford.

But ultimately I guess it doesn't matter -- the power running game will probably be the thing we need to stop (and may struggle with the most).

 

[zona]

I get what you're saying and I agree with it in a lot of instances. just don't think it applies here. It's sort of like saying I'm not really afraid of the guy who has been an absolute stud on the field because the guy behind him might be even more of a stud if he ever figures it out.

I mean, i prefer the eyeball test sometimes for these things and I've watched ND all year, but just look at the numbers:

Book is completing 21% more of his passes (look at that number -- it's insane) and he's even doing so while averaging nearly 2 yards more per attempt (1.8) and nearly doubling Wimbush in adjusted yards/attempt (accounting for TDs/INTs). That all adds up to a rating that is more than 55 points better. That's crazy.

And on the ground? Book doesn't run as often, but their effectiveness is almost identical:
Book: 65 carries, 218, 3.4 ypc, 4 TDs
Wimbush: 64 carries, 212, 3.3 1 TD

Obviously Wimbush runs more, but to what end? Not much as far as the scoring offense is concerned. ND is scoring 38.8 ppg with Book, 28 ppg (6 starts) with Wimbush (4 starts).

The best argument for Wimbush is if you give him a bunch of credit for the Michigan win -- made some really nice plays with his legs and came up with a few big plays through the air while taking care of the ball. Book meanwhile has feasted on largely terrible defenses outside of Stanford.

But ultimately I guess it doesn't matter -- the power running game will probably be the thing we need to stop (and may struggle with the most).

My point about Ohio State is if they played Purdue 10 times I think OSU win 8 times so I think even though Purdue kicked their buts that 1 game OSU is still better. OSU has a lot of warts though.

As far as the Wimbush discussion is: I heard during august practice that Book actually won the competition. However, Kelly and the OC felt that Wimbush gave us a better chance to win over Michigan at that point in time. Because of the aggressive D that Michigan had. By the way Wimbush played great. The problem is with Wimbush he is running QB not a true QB. Book is a true QB who needs to learn more. Wimbush passing efficiency is about 50% which is not good enough at the college level to win key games. Because of the way Brandon played he earned e right to start against Ball St and Vandy but his reads were awful. Everyone stacked the box he made terrible decisions. If you watch the film in both the Vandy and Ball st game he missed 6 TD opportunities that Book would not have missed. We were lucky because we could out athlete them but still you can lose to anyone on a given saturday. Book still needs to learn. it took him a half in both VA tech and Pitt games to make the right reads against D's that were pressing him. Even in the Pitt game Book had Chasepool open 95% of the time he was more worried about the different looks on the D and the blitzes than being a decision maker but the 2nd half against Pitt he broke the code.

 

[zona]

I don't follow the logic that says a team (Purdue) that curb stomps an opponent (OSU) by 29 points is inferior.


Most teams win easily if all 3 of these happen unless there is a gigantic talent disparity (JV vs. Varsity).

I agree that ND's talent level is superior. The good news for us is that we've beaten more talented teams, even when losing the turnover battle AND not blocking or returning a kick (see Clemson 2017).

Syracuse wins comfortably if it is +3 TOs AND blocks or returns a kick.

And I will be dancing a drunken jig outta Yankees Stadium.

I would be too if I were a Syracuse fan