KenPom Rankings

[Orangezoo]

Wut.

Need to payback some unhappy nil investors?

 

[DoctahLexus]

Not sure if this has been posted or how true it is...

This guy is a troll. Same guy that posted about the fake Woj fight at the Bonnie game. This one is way too obvious.

 

[OmahaCuse]

RIT gave Bingotown a game, yikes.

 

[Orangezoo]

RIT gave Bingotown a game, yikes.

I mean we could have beaten them 100-40 if some of the open looks went down and the bunnies and that’s minus JJ. Then they played RIT without their hands down top player in Lilley.

 

[pearl31]

I mean we could have beaten them 100-40 if some of the open looks went down and the bunnies and that’s minus JJ. Then they played RIT without their hands down top player in Lilley.

and still won by 18

 

[OmahaCuse]

I mean we could have beaten them 100-40 if some of the open looks went down and the bunnies and that’s minus JJ. Then they played RIT without their hands down top player in Lilley.

Yes was being facetious as a former Tiger

 

[ScriptCuse]

I know we're being a bit funny here but their Center, the Lilley kid didn't play. Score probably would have been about 101-28 without him

 

[Niastri]

You’re misunderstanding my comment. Go back and read my ORIGINAL post. First of all, I’m not talking about last year when we had poor talent. I’m saying that in 2023-24, when Red was a first year head coach, we had the 85th ranked defense. Not great but much higher than all years since 2020-2021 (when we went to the Sweet 16). That 2023-24 team had some athleticism and talent (Judah, JJ, Copeland, Bell, Benny) but were undisciplined and very immature. This team has much better talent and athleticism (and hopefully discipline). I would think they could do better than 85th—much better. Essentially, in the last 5 seasons, the year with the best defense was coached by Red, not JB. I’m saying there’s a chance he can actually get this team to defend. As for KenPom, his algorithm predicted that we’d have the 100 best defensive efficiency this season, and I’m saying I think we’ll be much better than that, based on the makeup and talent of this team alone compared to Red’s first year as head coach.

Funny thing about that Mintz, Starling, Maliq Brown, Bell, Williams led team is the highly variable intensity of defense. They were ball hawks, getting the 26th most steals despite only playing 32 games on the season.

They gave up terrible shooting percentages and couldn't rebound to get stops, though. Maliq Brown and Justin Taylor were both overmatched, playing out of position. If only that team had Edwards, or if Williams lived up to expectations, virtually every problem would have been solved that cost that team a place in the tournament.

Qadir Copeland coming in for Taylor helped a lot late season, but we just couldn't overcome the rebounding issues.

 

[jncuse]

Up to #57 after yesterday.

In reality in we consider our 2 games we are higher than #57, but there are still some pre-season ranking weights in the model that get will eventually grind down to 0% impact. Don't know the KP secret sauce in how it grinds down, but imagine right now preseason is still about 70% of your "score".

 

[sufan59]

#7 in Bart Torvik (1st week data only) 54th overall
#47 in Evan Miya

Dominate performances against Q4 equals metric rising very high.

 

[djorange1989]

#7 in Bart Torvik (1st week data only) 54th overall
#47 in Evan Miya

Dominate performances against Q4 equals metric rising very high.

We are so back!!

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

2. Yes, Red was the coach last year - that's why we sucked. But many of those guys are gone.

Intitial returns indicate that it may have been the ingredients, more so than the chef. Hopefully, that continues.

 

[690West]

#7 in Bart Torvik (1st week data only) 54th overall
#47 in Evan Miya

Dominate performances against Q4 equals metric rising very high.

This is precisely why in 2025 we cant have Lobdell and Co. in the game at the end of blowouts. Pedal to the metal until final horn. It’s the world we’re in now.

 

[Orangezoo]

This is precisely why in 2025 we cant have Lobdell and Co. in the game at the end of blowouts. Pedal to the metal until final horn. It’s the world we’re in now.

Add to that even in games where a loss is all but confirmed you fight for every point to reduce margins on a loss as well.

 

[RedtheGOB]

This is precisely why in 2025 we cant have Lobdell and Co. in the game at the end of blowouts. Pedal to the metal until final horn. It’s the world we’re in now.

I don't feel guilty blowing up the cupcakes after watching Louisville up 60 in their opener run the score up to 110. We've hit these teams but nothing compared to some of the other teams out there.

 

[OCESIP]

This is precisely why in 2025 we cant have Lobdell and Co. in the game at the end of blowouts. Pedal to the metal until final horn. It’s the world we’re in now.

So he can't get off the bench for the last minute when we dribble out the last 30 seconds anyway?

 

[Niastri]

I would add that the rules almost require blowouts because of the NET, but additionally the new roster construction rules make coaching to sportsmanship harder than previously.

With Womack redshirting, we don't really have a group of "walkon quality" players to call off the dogs.

Lobdell, sure, but Zephir, Fennell, Diawara, and, say, Souare isn't exactly going to be playing even with low major squads, even if they are arguably our bottom 5 on the roster.

 

[Cheriehoop]

There are other ways to reward players who are demonstrating tangibles than taking on court minutes away from young players that need development time. I would have liked Fennell and White to split to Zephir's 11 minutes to just get used to the speed of the game and continue to acclimate.

I am getting a lot of argument to my comments on this, so maybe I am wrong, and I watched too many JB coached teams through the years.

If you hadn’t watched JB’s teams throughout the years, you wouldn’t have the expectations you do now.

 

[M2MPrinciples]

Not sure if this has been posted or how true it is...

Fake. IIRC the same account falsely tweeted that Woj was ejected from the Bonnies game.

 

[690West]

So he can't get off the bench for the last minute when we dribble out the last 30 seconds anyway?

I'm not saying I like it. I'm just pointing to our initial high ranking and the reason we have this initial boost is because of our margin of victory. I hate that we're here. Trust me.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Its not necessarily blow outs. It's being efficient with possessions that is the biggest lift. Letting the opposing offense score points while taking bad shots is how efficiency can get sideways.

At the end of the day, blowing out lower Q4 teams is tinkering at the margins. Anyone who thinks that SU has secretly been really good the last decade or so but was done in by an algorithm (for reasons unexplained) is fooling themselves.

 

[690West]

Not sure if this has been posted or how true it is...

Yeah. Its a parody account. Just like the Fran Brown one where he got into it with the fan Saturday and was fined $25k. There's more fake than real these days. Ugh.

 

[RedtheGOB]

Its not necessarily blow outs. It's being efficient with possessions that is the biggest lift. Letting the opposing offense score points while taking bad shots is how efficiency can get sideways.

At the end of the day, blowing out lower Q4 teams is tinkering at the margins. Anyone who thinks that SU has secretly been really good the last decade or so but was done in by an algorithm (for reasons unexplained) is fooling themselves.

How dare you! This was a conspiracy against us since the Net was implemented.

The way we're playing must be sending the algorithm way up there too though. 10 high % lob dunks a game, Steals and turnovers leading to transition easy buckets. I know people want to see pretty half court sets but it's much easier to just dunk it and see Kyle with a 95% FG%.

 

[Orangezoo]

Its not necessarily blow outs. It's being efficient with possessions that is the biggest lift. Letting the opposing offense score points while taking bad shots is how efficiency can get sideways.

At the end of the day, blowing out lower Q4 teams is tinkering at the margins. Anyone who thinks that SU has secretly been really good the last decade or so but was done in by an algorithm (for reasons unexplained) is fooling themselves.

Honestly the first paragraph contains two fungible concepts. They are equivalent in the result they produce. If you are efficient on both ends, your MOV is likely to be high.

All that said massive margins vs not are worth 15-20 spot swings in the NET and Ken Pom when comparing two teams with the same number of wins. I’d say it’s a bit more than tinkering until they change the models.

 

[Niastri]

Its not necessarily blow outs. It's being efficient with possessions that is the biggest lift. Letting the opposing offense score points while taking bad shots is how efficiency can get sideways.

At the end of the day, blowing out lower Q4 teams is tinkering at the margins. Anyone who thinks that SU has secretly been really good the last decade or so but was done in by an algorithm (for reasons unexplained) is fooling themselves.

We did have the one year where margin of victory cost us the NCAA tournament at large slot.

Our first year with Red as coach, we won a lot of decent games, and every one was a nail biter... On the other hand, we got blown out of a bunch of games where we were in single digits with less than five minutes and let the other team expand margin to blowout range over and over. I think it hurt the NET and perception enough to keep us out.