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I can't believe I am about to say this but here it goes... Go back and look at Tom Brady's college film.. Accuracy... reading the D... quick release of where to go with the ball.. ability to slow the game down in crunch time,, I mean we did come back a bunch of times this year and won late more than a few times.. He(Kyle) was money in those situations... All i am saying is there are ALOT of similarities to Toms college game... Kyle is a little faster and a little more athletic as well... He needs to get better BUT there is a TON to work with already for the next level.
 
If he can get to the combine or at the senior bowl and he talks X’s and O’s and film with coaches and scouts, he will draw some attention. His demeanor is so calm and laid back, even when he is getting the play and his teammates lined up. I really good franchise will draft him, he will sit and learn and he will have a nice career.
 
upperdeck said:
Did PM have elite arm strength?

His issue will be hitting the smaller pro windows. He throws on time a ton here and can he do that at the pro level. He slides in the pocket which is good, but he won't extend many plays.

I think we sometimes got caught on locking in, but some of that was intentional when they identified the Rcvr who the ball should go to but they play required some waiting to know which way the play was going to break.. The Pitt game was the one where he locked on the routes and Pitt was jumping them. But really no one else did for most of the year.

The best thing about the offense was that we didn't always check down but took the play as defined by the D, 8 yds was fine if you can to it 2/3 of the time and we did.
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Last year we surprised Pitt with the Villari Wildcat. This year they surprised us with the pressure D/Man coverage that took us out of our rhythm. I think Nixon/McCord and the O adjusted after that. Teams tried, but SU was more prepared. Just a novice’s opinion.
 
JRHEETER said:
They’re talking the zip and speed on the ball with arm strength.

He was asked to do that a lot.

While his throw motion and decision is a quick throw, there were times the ball wasn’t moving through the air as fast as I would have liked.

No better example of this than the Pitt game.

A lot of the DBs were able to react to the ball quickly because it wasn’t coming super fast, they were able to get at least a hand on it and cause a tipped ball. At that point it was anyone’s ball

McCord should be a starter in the NFL eventually even with his “lack” of arm strength
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I think he was experiencing arm fatigue mid season. He won’t be asked to throw 50-60x a game in the pros.
 
Crusty said:
Didn't we lead or were near the top in contested catches? IMO Kyle was the main reason as his placement always seemed very good.
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I have been wondering about us having 2 guys on the top contested catches list. Do NFL coaches like or dislike that stat? Do they see it as completions or just missing the windows needed in NFL?

I’m also worried about the Pitt catastrophe. I know guys running the wrong routes caused 2 pick 6’s but he still threw 3 more to the other team.

I hope it doesn’t hurt his draft rank like the Stanford loss hurt our national rank.
 
upperdeck said:
Kyle/Allen nothing
OG is not on the TE board but makes top 5 on the Hback list

Kyle needs to show out to get any kind of draft spot I guess.
Considering he had a much better year than almost all that top 10 with much less talent around him.
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That's as much an indictment of Kiper as Kyle, (especially the part about AG as a HB???) But he had 58 yards rushing this year. That's not gonna create much buzz for the modern NFL.
 
dasher said:
You can't have a serious conversation with you guys. Shot? Hanged? Ridiculous.
They should clearly be put in a pit with starving lions.
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Well, you have a good point. However, I wonder whether your choice of lions is the best one. You could consider tigers, badgers, wolverines, panthers or wolves. Since there are more tiger mascots I might go with them.
 
BKCuse said:
I have been wondering about us having 2 guys on the top contested catches list. Do NFL coaches like or dislike that stat? Do they see it as completions or just missing the windows needed in NFL?

I’m also worried about the Pitt catastrophe. I know guys running the wrong routes caused 2 pick 6’s but he still threw 3 more to the other team.

I hope it doesn’t hurt his draft rank like the Stanford loss hurt our national rank.
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McCord throws more to covered guys than most college guys do/would. It’s a plus for him and those receivers.

His negatives are he’s not a plus athlete, his height, and velocity.
 
Kyle is not all the accurate and it will hurt him. He looked accurate to us because his receivers made him look accurate. The majority of the time he throw into coverage and let his receivers go and get it. This works in college because not every defensive player is the best of the best. In the NFL these defensive players will be the best of the best and will make him pay for throwing into coverage. The nfl today is looking for QBs that can put the ball in a basket and cane throw the ball to places only the receivers can get it. I don't see that with kyle
 
Smith14krac said:
Kyle is not all the accurate and it will hurt him. He looked accurate to us because his receivers made him look accurate. The majority of the time he throw into coverage and let his receivers go and get it. This works in college because not every defensive player is the best of the best. In the NFL these defensive players will be the best of the best and will make him pay for throwing into coverage. The nfl today is looking for QBs that can put the ball in a basket and cane throw the ball to places only the receivers can get it. I don't see that with kyle
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Sorry but I don't agree with this. We have some amazing receivers and yes often Kyle would throw into coverage but his accuracy was dead on. Honestly I'm not sure what you're looking at.
 
David321 said:
Sorry but I don't agree with this. We have some amazing receivers and yes often Kyle would throw into coverage but his accuracy was dead on. Honestly I'm not sure what you're looking at.
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The advanced stats I posted earlier sadly confirm this. Draft guys study ball placement which is how hard a receiver has to work to get a ball. Contested catches are part of that. Kyle as of a few weeks ago was 47th in country in ball placement. He’s accurate in terms of throwing in the strike zone but misses the elite spot more than the NFL likes. It’s what generally the experts mean by accuracy which is different than what you or me mean when we say it.

I personally think a lot of the contested catches were designed as back shoulder throws or placed in difficult spots because our receivers don’t have as much separation as other receivers. But the nfl guys will determine that. The average mock drafts won’t.
 
richmondcuse03 said:
The advanced stats I posted earlier sadly confirm this. Draft guys study ball placement which is how hard a receiver has to work to get a ball. Contested catches are part of that. Kyle as of a few weeks ago was 47th in country in ball placement. He’s accurate in terms of throwing in the strike zone but misses the elite spot more than the NFL likes. It’s what generally the experts mean by accuracy which is different than what you or me mean when we say it.

I personally think a lot of the contested catches were designed as back shoulder throws or placed in difficult spots because our receivers don’t have as much separation as other receivers. But the nfl guys will determine that. The average mock drafts won’t.
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Thanks for explaining this I appreciate it.
 
orange_in_VA said:
Yeah, McCord processes quickly but his ball velocity is lacking a bit
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In the NFL, the former trait is probably the most critical aspect. In regards to his ball velocity lacking, well, possibly that may have more to do with his particular receivers abilities to haul in a pigskin with premium vs. regular gas. :)
 
SuRaider307 said:
I can't believe I am about to say this but here it goes... Go back and look at Tom Brady's college film.. Accuracy... reading the D... quick release of where to go with the ball.. ability to slow the game down in crunch time,, I mean we did come back a bunch of times this year and won late more than a few times.. He(Kyle) was money in those situations... All i am saying is there are ALOT of similarities to Toms college game... Kyle is a little faster and a little more athletic as well... He needs to get better BUT there is a TON to work with already for the next level.
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Agreed. Tom is 6’5 though which does help a lot.

I think McCord is a Drew Brees type size and accuracy wise. Of course it’s all relative how much work he wants to put in now but he will be in the nfl for sure
 
richmondcuse03 said:
The advanced stats I posted earlier sadly confirm this. Draft guys study ball placement which is how hard a receiver has to work to get a ball. Contested catches are part of that. Kyle as of a few weeks ago was 47th in country in ball placement. He’s accurate in terms of throwing in the strike zone but misses the elite spot more than the NFL likes. It’s what generally the experts mean by accuracy which is different than what you or me mean when we say it.

I personally think a lot of the contested catches were designed as back shoulder throws or placed in difficult spots because our receivers don’t have as much separation as other receivers. But the nfl guys will determine that. The average mock drafts won’t.
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Watch the effortless nature of Drake Maye vs McCord

That’s the diff btw third overall and 4th round imo
 
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