Kiyan deserves to be the starter

[atlanticuse]

Good God. Grab a drink.

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[Jake]

I actually like Kiyan and Sadiq both off the bench as the 6th and 7th man.

Both are going to get the dome rocking.

Scoop and KJo

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Let's play this out.
We start JJ and sit Kiyan. We're down by 15 with that starting rotation.
Both Donnie (who had 4 the first two games), and William Kyle are in foul trouble.

What do we do then?
Put in the big body of Betsey? Along with Zephir?

That's my worry.
If we don't start Kiyan, this could happen - multiple times.

What?

 

[Orangezoo]

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That ain’t making your scenario argument for you for this year…. How about let’s see the numbers when the sample size is larger for this season with this entire team? Until then drop the panic attack.

 

[23Zone]

Let's play this out.
We start JJ and sit Kiyan. We're down by 15 with that starting rotation.
Both Donnie (who had 4 the first two games), and William Kyle are in foul trouble.

What do we do then?
Put in the big body of Betsey? Along with Zephir?

That's my worry.
If we don't start Kiyan, this could happen - multiple times.

 

[baggerbob]

Jake, normally I agree with this unwritten rule of sports, but this season I don't think Red has the luxury of abiding by it. He needs to play the players that will give him the best chance of getting to the NCAA tournament, or else his career as a head coach will be three years long.

And in a team sport you stay with the winning lineup. All time example was Wally Pipp, Yankees were good, but became great when Lou became the starting 1st baseman. If a player is more concerned with being the starter then winning games they shouldn't be on the team.
If we keep winning then JJ should be happy to come off the bench.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Please Let’s not do this already. Just no.. I don’t even know who everyone is yet.

 

[hoopsupstate]

You don’t sit someone due to injury and you definitely don’t sit a second team All ACC player. People need to chill. Anthony has played two games against two of worse division one teams. Kiyan would agree that JJ starts.

 

[23Zone]

I've said it before but I will say it again. I don't think it matter who starts. What matters is total amount of minutes played and who plays at crunch time. If Starling is not playing well, that will impact his minutes in which case we would be seeing a lot more of Kiyan. Things have their own way of working on one way or another.

 

[CuseLegacy]

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

No he hasn’t

 

[NineOneSeven]

Scoop and KJo

2009-2010 was our best 1-7 rotation ever, easily.

 

[RedtheGOB]

2009-2010 was our best 1-7 rotation ever, easily.

People don’t understand how spoiled we were the ten years after getting the chip in 2003.

 

[Orange315]

Kiyan might be one of those guys that just have it. I don’t think I’ve gotten any laughing emojis so I might as well start. Reminds me a little bit of freshman Steph Curry.

 

[Orange315]

Has it. WTH still haven’t figured out the edit option.

 

[Nicknack]

I've said it before but I will say it again. I don't think it matter who starts. What matters is total amount of minutes played and who plays at crunch time. If Starling is not playing well, that will impact his minutes in which case we would be seeing a lot more of Kiyan. Things have their own way of working on one way or another.

I think your take is reasonable from a fan perspective. However, not many players would agree with it. I also don't. I prefer to have my best players on the court at the jump to set the tone and hopefully get a lead versus getting behind and not playing your best team ball from the beginning.

 

[23Zone]

I think your take is reasonable from a fan perspective. However, not many players would agree with it. I also don't. I prefer to have my best players on the court at the jump to set the tone and hopefully get a lead versus getting behind and not playing your best team ball from the beginning.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

2009-2010 was our best 1-7 rotation ever, easily.

IMO, the best SU team ever. Not the most talented, but the best. 7 synchronized pieces, each playing their part, in absolute harmony. No egos. An uber athlete (Wes) a cold blooded shooter (Andy), two headed center, seasoned guard play, and unselfish bench guys who always contributed. Highly intelligent, bought on the defensive side. Old and experienced. Absolutely the best team in the country. A bit reminiscent of the Kenyon Martin team, which was heads above every else that year.
Our 2009-2010 team today would likely get to the FF, if not win.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

I think your take is reasonable from a fan perspective. However, not many players would agree with it. I also don't. I prefer to have my best players on the court at the jump to set the tone and hopefully get a lead versus getting behind and not playing your best team ball from

2 (minor) issues: a coach needs to put his best team on the floor, not just the best players. (See Dion Waiters and MCW) Also, 2 games against inferior opponents does not prove that KA is currently a better player than JJ.


From CHAT GPT



College Freshmen Who Rode the Bench Behind Veterans — and Became Legit NBA Players











1. Russell Westbrook — UCLA








Why he sat: Arron Afflalo was a junior All-American and defensive monster.


Westbrook’s role: Freshman backup point/defensive sub.


NBA outcome: MVP, triple-double factory, Hall of Famer.


One of the biggest “how the hell did THAT guy come off the bench?” cases ever.














2. Paul George — Fresno State








Why he sat: Upperclassmen wings were entrenched.


Freshman role: Rotational scorer, didn’t start until later.


NBA outcome: Multiple-time All-NBA, MVP finalist.














3. Kemba Walker — UConn








Why he sat: A.J. Price was the veteran PG.


Freshman role: Electric bench guard.


NBA outcome: 4× All-Star, All-NBA, NCAA champion.


Classic case of a freshman who would’ve been a superstar starter at 95% of other schools.














4. C.J. McCollum — Lehigh








Why he sat (initially): Lehigh had senior guards; he broke through late.


Freshman role: Began as a bench/low-minute guard.


NBA outcome: Elite scorer, borderline All-Star.














5. Kawhi Leonard — San Diego State








Why he sat early: Senior wings dominated minutes.


Freshman role: Came off the bench early before breaking out.


NBA outcome: 2× Finals MVP.


He was a late-bloomer with big talent.














6. Damian Lillard — Weber State








Why he sat: Veteran backcourt ahead of him.


Freshman role: Rotational guard before becoming starter as a sophomore.


NBA outcome: Multiple-time All-NBA, one of best PGs of the era.














7. Tyrese Haliburton — Iowa State








Why he sat: Upperclass guards got the minutes early.


Freshman role: Bench energy guy.


NBA outcome: All-NBA-level point guard.














8. Donovan Mitchell — Louisville








Why he sat: Upperclassmen dominated guard minutes.


Freshman role: Raw athlete, bench player.


NBA outcome: Multi-time All-Star, elite NBA scorer.














9. Fred VanVleet — Wichita State








Why he sat: Behind Malcolm Armstead, an experienced senior PG.


Freshman role: Came in as a backup PG and spark plug.


NBA outcome: NBA All-Star, champion, $100M+ contract.


An all-time late bloomer.














10. Josh Hart — Villanova








Why he sat: Senior wings locked in, deep rotation.


Freshman role: 6th man on a loaded team.


NBA outcome: Long-term NBA starter/glue guy.














11. Steph Curry — Davidson








Why he sat (early): Coaches thought he was too skinny and turnover-prone; veterans were safer.


Freshman role: Didn’t start the first game; played limited early minutes.


NBA outcome: Only the greatest shooter ever. Easy mistake!














12. Draymond Green — Michigan State








Why he sat: Senior-laden frontcourt (Goran Suton, Marquise Gray).


Freshman role: Bench energy forward.


NBA outcome: 4× champion, DPOY, Hall of Fame lock.














13. Devin Booker — Kentucky








Why he sat: A platoon system + stacked juniors/sophomores.


Freshman role: 6th man, 21 minutes a game.


NBA outcome: Perennial All-Star, NBA champion.


Would’ve been a 20 ppg freshman on any normal roster.