Kyle McCord to NFL Draft

[SuFTW]

He needs a clean pocket. He is not as athletic as a lot of dual threat guys.

No, he benefits from a clean pocket, but does fine if there are pocket problems.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

This is a common narrative but is not backed by the data

Kyle was ranked 3rd best passing grade under pressure

Kyle was ranked 4th in lowest time to throw (gets it out quick)

He was dead middle of pack for pressure to sack ratio

Pretty good for a guy with the stigma of needing a pristine pocket

Seem like a black and white distinction.

 

[All4SU]

We had very good pass protection last year. Go look it up. He threw about 6,000 passes (kidding) and only got sacked a couple times a game, on average.

True. But as others have suggested,I think that was due to how quickly he was able to read the defense and release the ball.

 

[IthacaMatt]

True. But as others have suggested,I think that was due to how quickly he was able to read the defense and release the ball.

Yes, and that works in his favor at the next level.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Is that what he had at SU? A clean pocket?

We had a first year OL coach whose specialty was pass protection, and we had fewer sacks by a mile than we had the last few years, especially if you look at sacks per attempt.

 

[wfschrec]

We had a first year OL coach whose specialty was pass protection, and we had fewer sacks by a mile than we had the last few years, especially if you look at sacks per attempt.

That is only because McCord made quick reads ... our PFF pass protection scores aren't much to write home about ... the OL was mediocre.

 

[Cheriehoop]

We had very good pass protection last year. Go look it up. He threw about 6,000 passes (kidding) and only got sacked a couple times a game, on average.

Yes we were ranked 34th in the country for least qb sack % - 4.49%. It wasn’t like we had a highly evasive running qb either that other teams may have hidden some of their OL protection deficiencies.

College Football Stats - College FB Team QB Sacked Percentage | TeamRankings.com

College Football qb sacked percentage, by team.

www.teamrankings.com

 

[atlanticuse]

Any reason he seems to have dropped from ~#3 to #6 in the latest big boards?

The explanation hasn’t changed - accuracy-related ie “receivers have to work harder” (and we saw him air mail a bunch of passes this year), but I thought the Shriners game helped him pre-combine

 

[SUskibum]

This is a common narrative but is not backed by the data

Kyle was ranked 3rd best passing grade under pressure

Kyle was ranked 4th in lowest time to throw (gets it out quick)

He was dead middle of pack for pressure to sack ratio

Pretty good for a guy with the stigma of needing a pristine pocket

Since I am in narrative busting mode, here is some data in support of his deep throwing ablities (RPM, velocity, & other arm strength data was already posted showing him around the 95th percentile of todays NFL starters)

All data for passes traveling >20 yards downfield (P5 only):

#1 in Passer rating

#1 in 'big time throws' (big time throw defined as a tight window or under duress etc)

#2 in 'big time throw percentage'

#5 in adjusted completion percentage (this assumes all catchable balls were caught)

#4 in lowest time to throw (even his deep balls were out quick!)

 

[FrancoPizza]

We had very good pass protection last year. Go look it up. He threw about 6,000 passes (kidding) and only got sacked a couple times a game, on average.

Most pockets usually stay clean for the first 2-3 seconds. When receivers couldn’t beat their coverage (Pitt) or routes took too long (Stanford) is when the pocket problems showed up.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Any reason he seems to have dropped from ~#3 to #6 in the latest big boards?

The explanation hasn’t changed - accuracy-related ie “receivers have to work harder” (and we saw him air mail a bunch of passes this year), but I thought the Shriners game helped him pre-combine

I would think interested teams are talking him down.

 

[CbusCuse]

Any reason he seems to have dropped from ~#3 to #6 in the latest big boards?

The explanation hasn’t changed - accuracy-related ie “receivers have to work harder” (and we saw him air mail a bunch of passes this year), but I thought the Shriners game helped him pre-combine

When has he been #3 on the big boards? I don’t remember seeing that. A few people may have stated they like him #3 but the majority of the big board sites have had him 4-7 ish if I recall. I don't know of any specific sites ranking him worse than they had him before.

 

[atlanticuse]

When has he been #3 on the big boards? I don’t remember seeing that. A few people may have stated they like him #3 but the majority of the big board sites have had him 4-7 ish if I recall. I don't know of any specific sites ranking him worse than they had him before.

I saw him go up to #3 - passing Dart and Shough - a couple weeks ago.
Then Milroe jumped up a bunch - like from #7 > #4.

I feel like all of these guys are similar - no standouts - but based on what I've sene from the "can't miss #1 legend" selections (Lawrence I'm looking at you), maybe a bit of humble pie is in order.

This looks like a defense-heavy first round anyhow.
I expect McCord in round 2 or 3, but he could be a good pro.

 

[dasher]

If the Giants took him with their pick in the second round, I would not be disappointed. On the other hand,
if the Giants take Sanders with their first round pick, I will be very disappointed.

 

[HtownOrange]

If the Giants took him with their pick in the second round, I would not be disappointed. On the other hand,
if the Giants take Sanders with their first round pick, I will be very disappointed.

Agreed. If the Giants take Sanders they will be disappointed, a la Daniels.

 

[dasher]

Agreed. If the Giants take Sanders they will be disappointed, a la Daniels.

You think he is in a league with Daniels? If they take him, I hope you are right.

 

[HtownOrange]

You think he is in a league with Daniels? If they take him, I hope you are right.

More accurately, I think Sanders will disappoint like Daniels, never amounting to what is expected of an NFL starter. Both are over hyped in my opinion.

My prior post was not intended to cause confusion, just my opinion that the Giants will regret drafting Sanders as they do Daniels.

 

[djcon57]

More accurately, I think Sanders will disappoint like Daniels, never amounting to what is expected of an NFL starter. Both are over hyped in my opinion.

My prior post was not intended to cause confusion, just my opinion that the Giants will regret drafting Sanders as they do Daniels.

Did you watch the nfl this year?

 

[Libero2]

More accurately, I think Sanders will disappoint like Daniels, never amounting to what is expected of an NFL starter. Both are over hyped in my opinion.

My prior post was not intended to cause confusion, just my opinion that the Giants will regret drafting Sanders as they do Daniels.

I think you mean Daniel Jones, not Daniels?

currently when you say Daniels, they think Jayden Daniels the current Commanders QB who lit the world on fire in year one.

 

[crales44]

Did you watch the nfl this year?

He must mean Daniel Jones and not Daniels. Only way it makes sense.

 

[MamesJungro]

Which is stupid... because ... where was it again that Josh Allen went to college?

I disagree with the perception, but it’s pretty easy to understand the narrative about McCord if you are a lazy analyst.

He washed out at Ohio State despite having an all world receiving corps. After he left, they won a natty. He dropped down a level and did great, but played an easy schedule, which inflated his stats.

All of us sickos with informed opinions on RJ Anderson and AJ Long know he is the real deal, but he’s gonna have to prove it at the pro level

 

[NashvilleOrange]

Forgot to post this yesterday but Kyle was courtside with the Kings owner (and others such as Peja and Vlade) for the matchup against the Spurs on Friday night.

 

[Offthedome]

I saw him go up to #3 - passing Dart and Shough - a couple weeks ago.
Then Milroe jumped up a bunch - like from #7 > #4.

I feel like all of these guys are similar - no standouts - but based on what I've sene from the "can't miss #1 legend" selections (Lawrence I'm looking at you), maybe a bit of humble pie is in order.

This looks like a defense-heavy first round anyhow.
I expect McCord in round 2 or 3, but he could be a good pro.

I know Milroe is a strong runner, but he looked pretty poor to average throwing at the combine.

 

[upperdeck]

if were playing under last years rules Howard has the exact same result as kyle

 

[HtownOrange]

I think you mean Daniel Jones, not Daniels?

currently when you say Daniels, they think Jayden Daniels the current Commanders QB who lit the world on fire in year one.

You are correct. His career in NY was less than hoped.