Lemon quote on the fans

[Scooch]

Well, I've mentioned a few of them but people ignored them because they don't like facts or other peoples realities as to why they left.

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I must've missed it.

All ears, dude.

 

[Millhouse]

One other thing that's worth mentioning...

I think the dysfunctional pricing scheme that Chip and Bayside have discussed makes our crowds look particularly bad. Whenever we have less than 42-43K actual people in the building there are large pockets of silver everywhere, especially between the 10s.

Last weekend UConn played NC State and drew 34K. Yet despite having 6K empty seats the Rent looked OK because the place was generally full on the sidelines. The corners were sparse, but aesthetically that doesn't look nearly as bad as having 30% of sections on the first level sideline empty. We get that even when there are 3rd levels sections more full.

I wish one of our enterprising friends from the Post-Standard would ask Gross about our pricing model. It seems totally inadequate to me.

the only reason to pay so much more for marginally better seats is because you're cool with a bundled donation.

SU needs to hope that people make the same donations when tickets are unbundled and fill up those seats. those seats are all empty anyway, it's not like they're risking losing so much money in bundled ticket/donations. not much to lose.

It would be pretty easy to put something together for SU if we had decent guesses about ticket sales at each pricing tier (i don't know all the tiers either). maybe we should all put it together for them.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Maybe if the team was better half the people wouldn't be gone! The fans "react" to what takes place on the field. You can't expect the fans to lead the football program.

Not at schools that value football. At those schools home games are a weekend event, not just a pre-game event, regardless of opponent or performance.

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[Millhouse]

what proportion of a population can be reasonably expected to go to a game?

there are big state schools in small towns with big alumni bases that stay within reasonable driving distance, those are bad comparisons.

smaller student bodies drawn from a national pool = smaller crowds

lots of schools in small towns have being regional fan bases because either there's no pro team anywhere near them or the pro team has no fans. it's going to be one or the other. rochester is captured by the bills, there's not enough people there to be a regional supporter of both teams. i don't know about albany.

i think they need to reduce capacity. selling a game to NYC is effectively a reduction in capacity for the whole season (just like the bills selling games to Toronto)

is there a big difference in perception going from 50k to 40k?

how are we doing in proportion of alumni in NY and DC making trips to syracuse once a year or every other year?

(this post is all over the place)

 

[Scooch]

what proportion of a population can be reasonably expected to go to a game?

there are big state schools in small towns with big alumni bases that stay within reasonable driving distance, those are bad comparisons.

smaller student bodies drawn from a national pool = smaller crowds

lots of schools in small towns have being regional fan bases because either there's no pro team anywhere near them or the pro team has no fans. it's going to be one or the other. rochester is captured by the bills, there's not enough people there to be a regional supporter of both teams. i don't know about albany.

i think they need to reduce capacity. selling a game to NYC is effectively a reduction in capacity for the whole season (just like the bills selling games to Toronto)

is there a big difference in perception going from 50k to 40k?

how are we doing in proportion of alumni in NY and DC making trips to syracuse once a year or every other year?

(this post is all over the place)

A few years ago I did some math, based on attendance and local/regional populations, and SU drawing 45K in CNY was actually a better share than Alabama's attendance share of their home state (I recall arbitrarily giving them 66% of the population, Auburn got the rest). Of course Bama could tell all 70K ticket holders to off and die, and there'd be another 70K waiting in line to take their spot.

It's always a numbers game for SU. We may aspire to be NY's team, but we only draw substantially from the counties around Syracuse, and our alumni base is both relatively small and widely dispersed, with the biggest concentrations being 4-5 hours away from campus.

I'm fine with reworking the pricing model and dropping capacity to 44K. I'd love to be having an argument years from now that it was foolish to drop capacity because tix are so hard to get.

 

[Chip]

the only reason to pay so much more for marginally better seats is because you're cool with a bundled donation.

SU needs to hope that people make the same donations when tickets are unbundled and fill up those seats. those seats are all empty anyway, it's not like they're risking losing so much money in bundled ticket/donations. not much to lose.

It would be pretty easy to put something together for SU if we had decent guesses about ticket sales at each pricing tier (i don't know all the tiers either). maybe we should all put it together for them.

Another wild card in this, is how much revenue is added from ACC membership, or NYC games, or any of these sources that were not sources in the past 10 years? Could some of that be used to unbundle? At the end of the day, it's about revenue, no matter what the form is. You have to have enough to cover your costs, and whatever profit you deem acceptable.

So right now, we start at a place that most P&Ls would like to start. Here's a bunch of revenue. Now figure out how you want to invest in your program and your overall cost structure. It's usually the other way around.

Maybe their big hang up is that the hoops seats have similar type bundled donations and they are all full. But no reason why the pricing structures can't be completely different. They have to figure out a way to get all of those seats filled. It really has to be one of the only teams in organized, revenue generating football that has such a glaring amount of empty seats between the 30s, but full upper deck end zones.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Why is this thread 21 pages long? Scooch is spot on here: win and people will come. It's reality, and a simply equation. I've already typed in countless threads the students' perspectives. If anyone wants me to lay down a logical argument why students don't show in the force diehard fans want, I can re-post again..

 

[Scooch]

Why is this thread 21 pages long? Scooch is spot on here: win and people will come. It's reality, and a simply equation. I've already typed in countless threads the students' perspectives. If anyone wants me to lay down a logical argument why students don't show in the force diehard fans want, I can re-post again..

We've moved on to fixing the AD's pricing model.

Next up we will cure male pattern baldness.

 

[OttoMets]

It is strange. I mean it's been an obvious glaring problem for years. Are they thinking the risk of lowering the donation level won't increase season tix and then they're out that money? Are they just betting we'll be good again and it will work itself out? Now, with the ACC move that has a better chance.

As my good pal JK said at the Northwestern game, they don't need to paint the bleachers, they need to paint the concrete. That will truly orange the place up. Maybe that's next year's solution.

Yeah, painting the bleachers would be a dreadful idea. The paint would chip, it'd stick to the fans on warm days, it'd look cheap.

Painting the risers and the stairs, though, would liven the place up a lot. Especially if they used a couple different alternating colors (like the do with the seats at the Superdome and Met Life).