Lesters' Offense Hybrids

[Full_Rebar]

The only issue with that is it takes away the element of surprise if teams realize Lewis in the game means no jet sweeps, etc. You need to run the same plays for both guys, but that doesn't mean I want to see Lewis taking handoffs regularly, or Erv being asked to block as though he was a TE.

 

[CuseOnly]

The hard part is that it will probably require some patience. Even simplified offenses take time to get up and running properly. Shafer may have that time, or he may not (the AD wild card). It's safe to say that our offense is going to look a lot better than the one that ended last season (under 200 yards, one good drive per game).

I just have no idea how the AD would measure progress. But he seems like the kind of guy that has a pretty good idea of how he'll do it. The grown ups are running the administration now.

It does?

Marrone installed a brand new offense 2 weeks before the first game in 2012 and it was our most productive offense in who the hell knows how long. It can be done in a short period of time if the offense is simple. This crew has had since the last game of last season to learne the system. Fully confident that it will be an easy transition, as the players have already stated in a few interviews.

 

[CuseOnly]

YES

we're been originally sucky for too long

andrew robinson doing double dutch before throwing end over end to a nose tackle

You don't run a carbon copy of any offense unless you have the personnel to run that offense. Period.

Our problem with the offenses you mentioned were all of the coordinators were installing offenses we didn't have the personnel to run or the talent to execute.

I believe that this offense fits the personnel and we finally have the horses to execute it.

 

[JrodCuse]

Any chance we see some trick plays with the express backs? Wildcats reverses etc

 

[Whitey23]

The only issue with that is it takes away the element of surprise if teams realize Lewis in the game means no jet sweeps, etc. You need to run the same plays for both guys, but that doesn't mean I want to see Lewis taking handoffs regularly, or Erv being asked to block as though he was a TE.

Am worried about that too. Can't have Lewis just blocking and running routes or Erv just running sweeps.

 

[retro44]

With the staff being able to move Erv all over the field, it is promising as hell. We all saw how smooth and quick he was last year, but now he has some confidence and is playing with the 1's. He will be a huge piece this year.

As for Lewis, I really like him out of the slot and out wide. Him running jet sweeps will indeed be interesting, so I can't imagine we will see too much of that unless Hunt and the coordinators see a favorable setup.

Having Ish, Erv, Bris/AC, Lewis and MacFarlane makes for a potent offensive set. I can't friggin wait to watch this team. Ahhhhhhhh!

Lewis has got some wheels and is tough as nails

 

[rrlbees]

You don't run a carbon copy of any offense unless you have the personnel to run that offense. Period. Our problem with the offenses you mentioned were all of the coordinators were installing offenses we didn't have the personnel to run or the talent to execute. I believe that this offense fits the personnel and we finally have the horses to execute it.

What is "this" offense of which you speak?

 

[ImperialOrange]

Curious how many formations will include more than 1 h back? You've got some real potential to cause matchup issues if the qb has his presnap reads correct.

 

[CuseOnly]

What is "this" offense of which you speak?

Lester's offense.

 

[rrlbees]

Lester's offense.

That's a name. But what is it?

 

[Millhouse]

You don't run a carbon copy of any offense unless you have the personnel to run that offense. Period. Our problem with the offenses you mentioned were all of the coordinators were installing offenses we didn't have the personnel to run or the talent to execute. I believe that this offense fits the personnel and we finally have the horses to execute it.

No one ever says precisely why personnel doesn't match the system. It's just an after the fact excuse

 

[CuseOnly]

No one ever says precisely why personnel doesn't match the system. It's just an after the fact excuse

It was pretty clear in the examples that you mentioned of recent offenses that failed that the personnel didn't fit the system. I thought it was pretty clear, you can't run bubble screens to slow players. You can't run a zone read very well usually if your QB can't run. You can't run a pro style offense with a QB that has no arm strength or accuracy.

I think that pretty much covers the last 12 years of our offense.

 

[Millhouse]

It was pretty clear in the examples that you mentioned of recent offenses that failed that the personnel didn't fit the system. I thought it was pretty clear, you can't run bubble screens to slow players. You can't run a zone read very well usually if your QB can't run. You can't run a pro style offense with a QB that has no arm strength or accuracy. I think that pretty much covers the last 12 years of our offense.

Our problem with screens wasn't speed. They were doomed with Percy harvin out there

 

[TheCusian]

YES we're been originally sucky for too long andrew robinson doing double dutch before throwing end over end to a nose tackle

You keep assuming Lester's O will suck. It may. But acting as if it already does is defeatist. Wait till mid-October...

 

[CuseOnly]

That's a name. But what is it?

It's an offense with 11 players that have bought in unlike our last OC's offense.
It's designed by a guy who has been on OC before and isn't learning on the job. Who I might add has run the offense before and has called the plays before. Only difference is that there is way more talent to work with than he has had in the past.
It's an offense where players aren't being asked to do things outside of their skillset.

Do I need to know what plays are going to be called, blocking schemes, WR patterns, motions, check downs, etc. to believe that our OC is going to put the kids in a position to be successful or to believe that the offense will work? No, I don't. I will take the kids' word for it that have been learning it since Spring.

Does it have to have a name or a category? No.

 

[CuseOnly]

Our problem with screens wasn't speed. They were doomed with Percy harvin out there

It was both speed and scheme as well as formation. I was in the stands and could tell when a bubble screen was coming, telegraphed and slow is a bad combo. Add in the fact that the kids running it didn't believe in it and it was a disaster.

 

[TheCusian]

That's a name. But what is it?

We'll find out in Sept. That's what happens when you have a new OC.

 

[Chip]

It does? Marrone installed a brand new offense 2 weeks before the first game in 2012 and it was our most productive offense in who the hell knows how long. It can be done in a short period of time if the offense is simple. This crew has had since the last game of last season to learne the system. Fully confident that it will be an easy transition, as the players have already stated in a few interviews.

Going up tempo isn't installing a new offense.

 

[rrlbees]

It's an offense with 11 players that have bought in unlike our last OC's offense. It's designed by a guy who has been on OC before and isn't learning on the job. Who I might add has run the offense before and has called the plays before. Only difference is that there is way more talent to work with than he has had in the past. It's an offense where players aren't being asked to do things outside of their skillset. Do I need to know what plays are going to be called, blocking schemes, WR patterns, motions, check downs, etc. to believe that our OC is going to put the kids in a position to be successful or to believe that the offense will work? No, I don't. I will take the kids' word for it that have been learning it since Spring. Does it have to have a name or a category? No.

That's not even an answer to my question on what you posted previously. Never mind.

 

[rrlbees]

We'll find out in Sept. That's what happens when you have a new OC.

No kidding. That's my point.

 

[TheCusian]

No kidding. That's my point.

I think we can infer enough from players comments, what we now know about McDonald (and previous OC's not named Hackett), the bits and pieces we know about Erv and Ish and our oline, and Lester's elmhurst gametape and subsequent comments- to be allowed good feelings about the talent matching the scheme.

It's all wait and see - but his take wasn't an outrageous leap, IMO.

 

[CuseOnly]

That's not even an answer to my question on what you posted previously. Never mind.

You asked what it is, correct? What are you looking for in an answer, I think I pretty much covered everything.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

It's an offense with 11 players that have bought in unlike our last OC's offense.
It's designed by a guy who has been on OC before and isn't learning on the job. Who I might add has run the offense before and has called the plays before. Only difference is that there is way more talent to work with than he has had in the past.
It's an offense where players aren't being asked to do things outside of their skillset.

Do I need to know what plays are going to be called, blocking schemes, WR patterns, motions, check downs, etc. to believe that our OC is going to put the kids in a position to be successful or to believe that the offense will work? No, I don't. I will take the kids' word for it that have been learning it since Spring.

Does it have to have a name or a category? No.

You don't know if he has more talent, or if he had more talent relative to the team's he is playing against at this level. I doubt his QB is better now.

 

[Rocco]

Good lord, can we give Lester and these kids a chance before just assuming this offense and the importance of the "expressback" will fail?

Some of you need to lighten up!

 

[rrlbees]

I think we can infer enough from players comments, what we now know about McDonald (and previous OC's not named Hackett), the bits and pieces we know about Erv and Ish and our oline, and Lester's elmhurst gametape and subsequent comments- to be allowed good feelings about the talent matching the scheme. It's all wait and see - but his take wasn't an outrageous leap, IMO.

You can't infer anything. It's wait and see and be hopeful. But to say "this offense" fits our personnel when we do not yet know what "this offense" is. That's the only point.