Lesters' Offense Hybrids

[TheCusian]

You can't infer anything. It's wait and see and be hopeful. But to say "this offense" fits our personnel when we do not yet know what "this offense" is. That's the only point.

I mostly agree with that - but I think we can infer that Lester is a better OC than McDonald in so much as that he's actually designed and installed and recruited players to a system before.

 

[CuseOnly]

You don't know if he has more talent, or if he had more talent relative to the team's he is playing against at this level. I doubt his QB is better now.

Elmhurst has less talent that Syracuse. Lester has been on record as saying that the Hybrid position backs that he had at Elmhurst were relatively one dimensional and could not do all things well like the talent at SU and it opens up the offense a lot more.

That is what I am talking about.

Shafer has always maintained that "football is football" no matter what level. The only difference is the talent at each level. A good coach can coach at all levels. I happen to think that Lester is a pretty good coach and we will see that this year when he is OC.

 

[Whitey23]

That's a name. But what is it?

It'll be multiple.

 

[CuseOnly]

You can't infer anything. It's wait and see and be hopeful. But to say "this offense" fits our personnel when we do not yet know what "this offense" is. That's the only point.

When I hear the OC say that we have 4 guys that can play the XB position. We have Ishmael/Cornelius at the WR position with an emphasis on downfield throws. We have 3 RB's that are pretty talented and a 5th year SR QB that our OC trusts to run the offense and says he grasps the system along with everyone else he has been practicing with.

I would say our personnel fits the offense.

In other words if the OC that designed the offense and the XB position for the offense says the kids can run the system, I tend to believe him and that our kids fit the system.

 

[upperdeck]

Lewis has got some wheels and is tough as nails

lewis ran away from a bunch of guys and ran out of tackles many times.. i dont think jet sweeps is all about speed as much its mis direction and make one guy miss.

 

[Full_Rebar]

I mostly agree with that - but I think we can infer that Lester is a better OC than McDonald in so much as that he's actually designed and installed and recruited players to a system before.

No, I don't think you can actually infer that at this time. We'll find out soon enough, but after the performance at the end of last year, I'm not comfortable saying Lester is better than anyone as an OC.

 

[HeaterCuse22]

With the staff being able to move Erv all over the field, it is promising as hell. We all saw how smooth and quick he was last year, but now he has some confidence and is playing with the 1's. He will be a huge piece this year.

As for Lewis, I really like him out of the slot and out wide. Him running jet sweeps will indeed be interesting, so I can't imagine we will see too much of that unless Hunt and the coordinators see a favorable setup.

Having Ish, Erv, Bris/AC, Lewis and MacFarlane makes for a potent offensive set. I can't friggin wait to watch this team. Ahhhhhhhh!

get that positive stuff out of here. lol

 

[rrlbees]

When I hear the OC say that we have 4 guys that can play the XB position. We have Ishmael/Cornelius at the WR position with an emphasis on downfield throws. We have 3 RB's that are pretty talented and a 5th year SR QB that our OC trusts to run the offense and says he grasps the system along with everyone else he has been practicing with. I would say our personnel fits the offense. In other words if the OC that designed the offense and the XB position for the offense says the kids can run the system, I tend to believe him and that our kids fit the system.

So you're basing it on your opinion of the talent and assumption it must work because the coach says so. They always say that. But you don't know what the offense is. Grob talked about how great the west coast was gonna be for is too. I'll just wait and see and be hopeful instead of guessing.

 

[orangenauburn]

The Little Engine That Could offense

 

[retro44]

That's a name. But what is it?

McChuck it

 

[OttoinGrotto]

The problem with fitting an offense to the talent is that your offense can only be as good as that talent. A system should enhance players abilities and hide their deficiencies. I think the talent on offense is trending up, but if all they do is play to the level of their abilities we might be in for a rough road. Lester's objective I'm sure is to get more out of it than what is going in.

 

[Ottoble]

I'm curious to know how Lewis is going to get around the corner on those sweeps. But he may be a big asset as a receiver/blocker. I'll be curious to see how this position shakes out.

I wonder if you could add a sweep cut to the package where he turns upfield right after the handoff and runs up the B gap it would mix the lanes utilize Ben's preference to Hit and make linebackers stay at home for a half second on outside sweeps making them break for bigger runs

 

[CuseOnly]

So you're basing it on your opinion of the talent and assumption it must work because the coach says so. They always say that. But you don't know what the offense is. Grob talked about how great the west coast was gonna be for is too. I'll just wait and see and be hopeful instead of guessing.

So you are comparing Lester to Gerg? Not my opinion of the talent, the coaches opinion of the talent. I am also basing my "opinion" on what has been said by the players to dat about this offense.

Based on that, I don't need to know "what it is". How would I know exactly what "it" is unless I used Lester's explanation of it. Which as I remember, people on here had no idea or were unhappy with it based on their assumptions.

From my previous post: Do I need to know what plays are going to be called, blocking schemes, WR patterns, motions, check downs, etc. to believe that our OC is going to put the kids in a position to be successful or to believe that the offense will work? No, I don't.

 

[PhatOrange]

I think more emphasis on the run game, and more downhill running suits our personnel better; particularly our OL personnel.

 

[tipphill]

You can't infer anything. It's wait and see and be hopeful. But to say "this offense" fits our personnel when we do not yet know what "this offense" is. That's the only point.

the best truism i have seen this year!

 

[Scooch]

It's pretty awesome that now saying "we'll see how it goes" is considered being negative.

 

[TheCusian]

No, I don't think you can actually infer that at this time. We'll find out soon enough, but after the performance at the end of last year, I'm not comfortable saying Lester is better than anyone as an OC.

Read my comment again... This is not a matter of opinion. Lester has designed, installed, and recruited for a system. McDonald had not. That makes him better at that particular skill. His offense still might be crap, but experience is not a judgement call. It's fact.

 

[Full_Rebar]

How about the fact that McDonald was OC at WMU, or that he recruited at the D1 level for over a decade before coming to SU? How does that make Lester more experienced?

 

[Millhouse]

You can't infer anything. It's wait and see and be hopeful. But to say "this offense" fits our personnel when we do not yet know what "this offense" is. That's the only point.

reading about Hunt going under center doesn't encourage me. do people think that fits his talent?

 

[SUFan44]

The problem with fitting an offense to the talent is that your offense can only be as good as that talent. A system should enhance players abilities and hide their deficiencies. I think the talent on offense is trending up, but if all they do is play to the level of their abilities we might be in for a rough road. Lester's objective I'm sure is to get more out of it than what is going in.

That reads well but it's just not true. If you're a good coach, you tailor your offense to the players you have and put them in the best position possible to maximize their talents.

Systems are great and I understand everyone wants us to have an Oregon-type offense - I do too, actually. But for coaches that fit systems to talent, it's not about playing to that level. Look at Marrone's offense. That's basically what he did in 2012, no?

 

[007]

I think more emphasis on the run game, and more downhill running suits our personnel better; particularly our OL personnel.

That's a reasonable assumption. The problem is that every DC we face will game plan around the belief that SU can not hurt you with the passing game. Every defense we face, with the exception of RI and maybe CM, will be able to effectively limit the run game if that is the focus of the game plan. Those of you (not saying you specifically Phat) who think that Lester's offense is going to unleash untapped talent that has been underutilized are going to be disappointed, IMO.

Reading between the lines, Lester's offense is going to try to use varying formations (this is where the X back will come into play) and presnap motion in an attempt to to create mismatches for his best playmakers, and/or to confuse defensive alignments and coverage responsibilities as the react to those formations/motions. He is betting on "perfect" execution, including the player's ability to understand not only their responsibility, but the entire concept of how they are trying to create those mismatches and what they need to do as the defense sets their fronts and coverages. That does not require knowing 100s of plays. They are going to run basically the same set of plays, but from multiple formations (to make it look like we have 100s of plays). Given that level of execution, success will then come down how much talent the playmakers actually have in order to take advantage of whatever mismatches are created.

 

[FrancoPizza]

reading about Hunt going under center doesn't encourage me. do people think that fits his talent?

seeing as he runs a 5.2 40, it's probably a good idea to start his scrambling (or designed runs) a few yards closer to the original line of scrimmage.

 

[Millhouse]

seeing as he runs a 5.2 40, it's probably a good idea to start his scrambling (or designed runs) a few yards closer to the original line of scrimmage.

no way. put him in shotgun, give him a better view and give him the green light to scramble

he gets 5 yards a carry for his career, which is pretty damn good considering sacks are in there

mcnabb averaged 3.4 yards a carry. mcpherson 2.6

 

[FrancoPizza]

no way. put him in shotgun, give him a better view and give him the green light to scramble

he gets 5 yards a carry for his career, which is pretty damn good considering sacks are in there

mcnabb averaged 3.4 yards a carry. mcpherson 2.6

I was being fresh milly.

Not a big fan of TH. Built like a pocket passer without any of the accuracy or touch. The irony is that his legs are his best attribute, and yet defensive coordinators will never lose sleep about keeping him in the pocket.

 

[007]

reading about Hunt going under center doesn't encourage me. do people think that fits his talent?

I doubt it has anything to do with fitting Hunt's talent. It is part of the practice scheme, and it's part of being able to run the same play either under center or in the shotgun. I would guess that Hunt will be in the pistol the majority of time. But, he needs to be able to execute with a direct snap.