Lester's offense

[HeaterCuse22]

Money - he kept visiting these pro teams and consulting with other coaches to gain perspective on how to run an offense. Then make changes based on those. Its kind of like the business leader that reads a book then makes decisions on the business based on the book. Never works.

By the way if anyone ever has a boss that says I read this book and we are going to implement the entire thesis - RUN or start working on how to takeover their job.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Can someone find or make a gif of the AAM sweep from our endzone against Louisville?

 

[jgeorge322]

Still don't understand why you'd tell a back as productive as Jerome to move on... I know his theory behind what he wanted in the backfield, but, we told over 2,100 rushing yards and 15 td's to have a nice day.

really? i didnt know that we told him to leave. from social media, he always seemed eager to move on.

 

[jgeorge322]

he's like most coaches but not all of them are like that

some defensive coaches to think about

i'm not sure that gary patterson had much long standing trust for the air raid guys he hired.

stoops always had hired guns. he went for a guy he trusted (his old qb) after they all left and they had their worst offense in years, had to let him go.

saban hired the least trustworthy guy in america

saban hired brian williams?

 

[Millhouse]

saban hired brian williams?

brian williams hired saban. then played qb for him

 

[BlackKnight76]

Can someone find or make a gif of the AAM sweep from our endzone against Louisville?

If you find the video, I'm on it.

 

[PhatOrange]

These are two really good articles about Urban Meyer and assistant coaches. He's arguably the greatest college coach ever.

Dec 28 2014 - ESPN
http://espn.go.com/college-football...ban-meyer-sends-assistants-head-coaching-jobs

Oct 24 2013 - NT Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/25/s...-staff-offers-a-mix-thats-unmatched.html?_r=1

 

[HeaterCuse22]

If you find the video, I'm on it.

.26 in

 

[Whitey23]

Money - he kept visiting these pro teams and consulting with other coaches to gain perspective on how to run an offense. Then make changes based on those. Its kind of like the business leader that reads a book then makes decisions on the business based on the book. Never works.

Eh, lots of coaches do that. Not gonna fault him for trying to expand his knowledge.

 

[anomander]

he's like most coaches but not all of them are like that

some defensive coaches to think about

i'm not sure that gary patterson had much long standing trust for the air raid guys he hired.

stoops always had hired guns. he went for a guy he trusted (his old qb) after they all left and they had their worst offense in years, had to let him go.

saban hired the least trustworthy guy in america

If the best coaches in the college game can get out of their comfort zone, and hire guys they had no prior relationships with, i'm not sure why Shafer can't, especially when a lot of your connections are tied to your days in the MAC. On a smaller scale I was really hoping for him to do this with the TE coach hire. Shafer had his chance to do it with a new OC, but chose not to their as well. It's looking more and more likely he will either sink or swim with Lester, because I don't see him getting another chance to hire an OC.

 

[anglerman]

McDonald/Adam mainly, but McDonald rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.

I think we will look back and realize that MacDonald was the GROB of offensive coordinators

 

[CaliCuse]

Reading this board makes me think we are all starved & frustrating with the lack of real news about the football program...long winter.

IMO Shafer is no different than any other coach, you hire the best resources you can that you are familiar with, you trust, and can fit into your budget. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't. He strikes me as a guy who wants to succeed and I'm sure he works just as hard if not harder than folks on this board.

Gooornge!

The premise of having the best work with you is an axiom of good management. The problem with too many is that they are insecure and feel threatened when they do this. As for Lester he will get this offense moving George McDonald didn't have the know how toddling plays or recognize which plays were appropriate during the game. His success in recruiting played right into the Peter Principle. Lester will be very good and it will be noticeable from the get-go. My hope is that we find a ST coach to jack returns and coverage.

 

[timkay99]

Ive watched alot of Elmhurst football games. Starting to really pick up on his schemes. Simple inside and outside zone concepts but it will be effecient and productive. A little bit of zone option, speed option. I can see Hunt running for a lot of yards on the QB power read play. We will be very balanced. Atleast 2000 yards rushing and 2000 yards passing.

How does Elmhurst's offensive talent compare with the defensive talent they were facing?

My concern with simple would be that it is easy to stop/gameplan against unless your talent is superior.

I know Elmhurst was a turnaround job, but curious if Lester's offense was more talented then the opposing defenses.

I feel like he will need to scheme guys open once we hit ACC play. Wondering if he has done that before successfully and consistently.

 

[TheCusian]

How does Elmhurst's offensive talent compare with the defensive talent they were facing? My concern with simple would be that it is easy to stop/gameplan against unless your talent is superior. I know Elmhurst was a turnaround job, but curious if Lester's offense was more talented then the opposing defenses. I feel like he will need to scheme guys open once we hit ACC play. Wondering if he has done that before successfully and consistently.

It wasn't predicated on talent. Mostly scheme.

Simple doesn't mean it's easy to stop.

 

[timkay99]

It wasn't predicated on talent. Mostly scheme.

Simple doesn't mean it's easy to stop.

Its not easy to stop, but its easy to gameplan for. Whether the players can execute the plan is another question. Oregon isn't hard to gameplan for, but the tempo (and talent) makes it hard for defenders to execute the plan.

Every scheme is predicated on talent. Did Elmhurst have more talent offensively then the defenses they faced? You can have the greatest scheme in the world, but if you don't have the right players, you won't win (Hackett scheme is a solid example pre senior Nassib).

I am just curious if Elmhust had the positive in the talent advantage from the games watched (was the first read always open, were there big holes, were there big time individual plays made, etc.). Not sure if Money got a feel for it, but figured I would ask.

It sounds like Lester's offense is predicated on a dual threat QB being the go to guy, as well as an OL that is more road graders. Hopefully Hunt can be that guy and the OL improves.

 

[money3189]

How does Elmhurst's offensive talent compare with the defensive talent they were facing?

My concern with simple would be that it is easy to stop/gameplan against unless your talent is superior.

I know Elmhurst was a turnaround job, but curious if Lester's offense was more talented then the opposing defenses.

I feel like he will need to scheme guys open once we hit ACC play. Wondering if he has done that before successfully and consistently.

He had one stud at RB. Scottie Williams. He chattered all their records including some national records.

 

[qdawgg]

He had one stud at RB. Scottie Williams. He chattered all their records including some national records.

So he had teeth chattering hits?

 

[qdawgg]

Money - he kept visiting these pro teams and consulting with other coaches to gain perspective on how to run an offense. Then make changes based on those. Its kind of like the business leader that reads a book then makes decisions on the business based on the book. Never works.

Not exactly apples and apples. All coaches do this, even the best coaches look at what other people are doing just to gain new perspectives and to pick their brains. Good business leaders do the same thing. You're talking about a situation where a football coach went to the mall and bought a book about football. He then read the book and implemented the strategies from the book into his offense. This didn't happen and it's very different than what most coaches and most business leaders do.

 

[NoXcuse99]

Ive watched alot of Elmhurst football games.

I never really thought to try pull Elmhurst games up and watch them, but your post had me headed over to Youtube. Other than the fact that Elmhurst did run a ton of 12 personnel offense, I don't know what can be drawn from those games.
First, it seems that Elmhurst had a top notch D3 running back, which gave Lester an easy go to, and the ability to over rely on the run. Also, I don't know what D3 Qb's look like, because I don't generally watch DIII games, but Elmhurst's QBs were awful. Very weak arms (not even able to throw all routes), not accurate and not able to progress through reads. So it is hard to say what Lester will try to do with D1 arms at QB, not to mention athletes like Broyld, Estime, Ismael, etc.
All that said, I am very optimistic that Lester can do the job well and that better offensive displays are ahead.

 

[javadoc]

I never really thought to try pull Elmhurst games up and watch them, but your post had me headed over to Youtube. Other than the fact that Elmhurst did run a ton of 12 personnel offense, I don't know what can be drawn from those games.
First, it seems that Elmhurst had a top notch D3 running back, which gave Lester an easy go to, and the ability to over rely on the run. Also, I don't know what D3 Qb's look like, because I don't generally watch DIII games, but Elmhurst's QBs were awful. Very weak arms (not even able to throw all routes), not accurate and not able to progress through reads. So it is hard to say what Lester will try to do with D1 arms at QB, not to mention athletes like Broyld, Estime, Ismael, etc.
All that said, I am very optimistic that Lester can do the job well and that better offensive displays are ahead.

If nothing else, it sounds like he knows how to ride his horses. Amen.

 

[CuseLegacy]

http://dailyorange.com/2015/03/runn...receiving-bulk-of-carries-in-spring-practice/

"Now with offensive coordinator Tim Lester looking to incorporate the flexible outside zone-running play into his system, Morris and McFarlane’s ability to break tackles and run downhill will be crucial in setting up quarterback Terrel Hunt and SU’s passing game.

The outside zone is used by the Seattle Seahawks, among other teams, and Morris and some of his teammates likened he and McFarlane’s rushing style to Marshawn Lynch’s. Lester said he isn’t planning on having one rusher carry the ball 200 times — like Smith did in 2013 — but added that he’ll ride the “hot hand” whenever one emerges.

A pervading concept so far this spring is that the running game will be heavily factored into Syracuse’s offense moving forward. Last season, Wake Forest was the only Atlantic Coast Conference team with fewer team carries than SU, and Orange running backs ran for just two touchdowns the whole year. "

 

[Millhouse]

All that said, I am very optimistic that Lester can do the job well and that better offensive displays are ahead.

I just have one question. Why are you optimistic? I won't respond to your answer because I'm not trying to get into a p1ssing match, I swear - i really just want to hear the reasons

 

[NoXcuse99]

I just have one question. Why are you optimistic? I won't respond to your answer because I'm not trying to get into a p1ssing match, I swear - i really just want to hear the reasons

Experience. The offense returns a lot of players who started, or saw significant action last year. College players are supposed to get better each year, and upperclassman are supposed to deliver. The offensive line is a great example, returning 3 starters, and a 4th who played significant snaps last season.
T Hunt. I think many expected a break out year last year, and it didn't happen right away, then he was injured. He has never had the chance to play a full season a the starter. I think this is his year.
Improved running game. In the choppy up and downs of recent memory SU still always ran the ball well. Well enough to get Brinkley, Carter, and Smith NFL looks. Last season the running game was just awful. I believe Lester will restore some order in the Syracuse run game (nice article in the Daily Orange on that topic).
Brisley Estime. He was banged up prior to the start of the season last year, was nagged by injury and ultimately missed a ton of games. He is supposed to be SU's most dynamic play maker and the fastest, or one of the fastest players on the team. Having him ( and Broyld) at 100% and on the field should be a shot in the arm for the SU offense.
Health. Sure there are bound to be injuries. It is football. But I don't think that it is probable that we suffer the number of injuries, and to so many key players, two years in a row.
Tim Lester. McDonald's use of personnel and his play calling left a lot to be desired. Lester, with a full off season to implement his system, doesn't have to be 'Norm Chow' to be an upgrade over McDonald.

Oh and feel free to respond Millshouse. I've had my say.