Let’s pay players

[MadNY3]

“Legally.”

(new website that allows fans to give money to recruits that is held in a JP Morgan Trust until post college from a former athlete with a lot of bile..)

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I loved her on the Gong Show.

 

[Sudano]

They get paid the amount of free tuition, room, and board. If you want to pay them more go for it, but please stop saying they don't get paid.

 

[GreekFreak]

I have ZERO interest in paying players. If that’s the goal let the NFL fund a minor league and have true amateurs in college. Spending on college sports, well football and men’s BB, is simply out of control and ridiculous. There are much more important things to spend money on in higher education.

 

[All4SU]

How about this...
We contribute to a trust fund for players. If a kid makes the NFL, he has to give 50% of his contract money back to us and his college.

I kid. Of course we need to get money OUT of athletics as much as possible. This is a no brainer, but is battling hard against the momentum of greed and good intentions.

 

[Entropic]

They get paid the amount of free tuition, room, and board. If you want to pay them more go for it, but please stop saying they don't get paid.

Plus additional perks like stipends (not a huge sum) and high quality dining. I would include Personal trainers, opportunity to travel the country, tutors. All to play a game. A game we love to play and watch but its just a game.

 

[Crusty]

SCOTUS is hearing a case that will decide the issue for once and for all. We will know by June.

 

[MadNY3]

They get paid the amount of free tuition, room, and board. If you want to pay them more go for it, but please stop saying they don't get paid.

They don't get paid...anywhere near the value-creation of the multi-billion-dollar revenue created from TV networks paying "college."

And I have a few books on how AAU works for you if you think everything in hunky dory.

 

[Briancuse]

I think they should pay the fans too.

 

[RandomGuy]

Plus additional perks like stipends (not a huge sum) and high quality dining. I would include Personal trainers, opportunity to travel the country, tutors. All to play a game. A game we love to play and watch but its just a game.

A game that generates billions of dollars.

If the Universities want to go back to an Amateur model? (Remove the business portion, arms race, tv deals) I'm all for returning to actual amateurism.

If they want to continue maximizing income and running it like a pro team? Then it should be treated as such, for all involved.

if a school can only offer a scholly? Fine. If the boosters want to pay their kids? Cool. If a school can pay them, and realize a financial gain? Fine. Its a multi billion $$ industry.

Average FBS player is responsible for about $350k a year. A player at Texas generates about $1.9 million a year. (All 85)

There are a few teams that are valued at over $1billion .

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

A game that generates billions of dollars.

If the Universities want to go back to an Amateur model? (Remove the business portion, arms race, tv deals) I'm all for returning to actual amateurism.

If they want to continue maximizing income and running it like a pro team? Then it should be treated as such, for all involved.

if a school can only offer a scholly? Fine. If the boosters want to pay their kids? Cool. If a school can pay them, and realize a financial gain? Fine. Its a multi billion $$ industry.

Average FBS player is responsible for about $350k a year. A player at Texas generates about $1.9 million a year. (All 85)

There are a few teams that are valued at over $1billion .

I'm no lawyer, but this thread has been making research if there's any legal cases that brought down the long-standing practice of company scrip (i.e. currency that was used to pay coal workers that could only be redeemed at enterprises owned by the mines). Because "they're paid with free education, room, and board", which is only redeemable at the institution they represent, while generating growing wealth for that same institution they work play for is the exact same idea.

 

[RandomGuy]

My company pays 100% tuition, when I feel like utilizing it. If they gave me a dorm and some food, and ceased to pay me? Yeah, right.

If it wasnt illegal? Every company would have that as a business model, and EVERYONE would be opposed to it.. Only 1 industry remains with it. An industry where 99% don't have the ability, or value, to work there.

 

[Entropic]

Not sure why revenue has anything to do with the compensation question. They do create jobs and money goes back to the universities to pay for other programs and such. Regardless, these student-athletes get around 5 years of free tuition ($250k+ at SU), custom (paid) meal plans, stipends, lodging, the best medical, etc.. This is a short term of their life, most kids take out loans to go to a school. They leave in tremendous debt and do work study in order supplement their meal plan. If you can't count the literal hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on a single athlete I don't know what else to tell you. They have incredible benefits over the average college student and if they do it right they leave with a good education, no debt, and a network for job opportunities that others also don't have.

 

[RandomGuy]

Not sure why revenue has anything to do with the compensation question. They do create jobs and money goes back to the universities to pay for other programs and such. Regardless, these student-athletes get around 5 years of free tuition ($250k+ at SU), custom (paid) meal plans, stipends, lodging, the best medical, etc.. This is a short term of their life, most kids take out loans to go to a school. They leave in tremendous debt and do work study in order supplement their meal plan. If you can't count the literal hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on a single athlete I don't know what else to tell you. They have incredible benefits over the average college student and if they do it right they leave with a good education, no debt, and a network for job opportunities that others also don't have.

Each player at Texas generates $8-$10M over the course of their collegiate career. Years from now, the NCAA will be studied in classrooms, as a glaring example of exploitation, corporate greed, and how a society allowed it to happen.

Walter Byers, the head of the NCAA, the man that coined the phrase "student athlete" to avoid paying workers comp for a player that was killed, said this in 1995:

"Each generation of young persons come along and all they ask is, 'Coach, give me a chance, I can do it.' And it's a disservice to these young people that the management of intercollegiate athletics stays in place committed to an outmoded code of amateurism.

"And I attribute that to, quite frankly, to the neo-plantation mentality that exists on the campuses of our country and in the conference offices and in the NCAA. The coach owns the athlete's feet, the college owns the athlete's body and the athlete's mind is supposed to comprehend a rulebook that I challenge Dave Berst, who's sitting down in this audience, to explain in rational terms to you inside of eight hours."

I support amateurism, but it was killed by the colleges greed many years ago.

 

[Modern Coac]

The universities rake in the cash. Players should be paid a uniform stipend in addition to the scholarship. These and more changes are coming along with licensing contracts and additional health care benefits for student/athletes whether some fans like it or not.

If you don't like it, don't watch. This is free market. Nobody is forcing these fans to watch. Find something else to do if you don't like student/athletes participating in revenue stream. Universities are making multi billions off college sports and then charging students $60-70 K per year. Cry me a river.

 

[ImperialOrange]

It's effectively wealth redistribution. In the arguments for paying revenue generating sports athletes, non revenue sports always seem to be forgotten.

Here are the numbers for TAMU:

Cost of Athletics | 12th Man Foundation

12th Man Foundation

www.12thmanfoundation.com

If you pay the 85 scholarship football players and 13 scholarship Men's BB players , what do you do with the other 370 scholarship athletes?

I'm not saying i'm for or against, it's just an interesting issue and much deeper than what money football programs do or don't make.

 

[ForCuseSake]

Each player at Texas generates $8-$10M over the course of their collegiate career. Years from now, the NCAA will be studied in classrooms, as a glaring example of exploitation, corporate greed, and how a society allowed it to happen.

Walter Byers, the head of the NCAA, the man that coined the phrase "student athlete" to avoid paying workers comp for a player that was killed, said this in 1995:

"Each generation of young persons come along and all they ask is, 'Coach, give me a chance, I can do it.' And it's a disservice to these young people that the management of intercollegiate athletics stays in place committed to an outmoded code of amateurism.

"And I attribute that to, quite frankly, to the neo-plantation mentality that exists on the campuses of our country and in the conference offices and in the NCAA. The coach owns the athlete's feet, the college owns the athlete's body and the athlete's mind is supposed to comprehend a rulebook that I challenge Dave Berst, who's sitting down in this audience, to explain in rational terms to you inside of eight hours."

I support amateurism, but it was killed by the colleges greed many years ago.

Years from now, I think it's more likely that current P5 football and basketball will be studied as businesses (revenue generating sports) that grew out of an unrelated industry (college education). Not unlike examples of businesses that grew out of other industries or profitable companies (e.g. General Electric).

ETA - This will be more like a company deciding to spin off a profitable business unit that isn't directly aligned with it's core expertise/functionality.

It's another example of the MBA-ification of parts of our culture.

 

[jgeorge322]

If we pay the players, who pays for the non-revenue sports?

 

[jgeorge322]

“Legally.”

(new website that allows fans to give money to recruits that is held in a JP Morgan Trust until post college from a former athlete with a lot of bile..)

This is really the format they should use though, no need for young college students to be flush with cash, pay them units for number of years competed and liquidate units 2 years after date of last competition

 

[RandomGuy]

It's effectively wealth redistribution. In the arguments for paying revenue generating sports athletes, non revenue sports always seem to be forgotten.

Here are the numbers for TAMU:

Cost of Athletics | 12th Man Foundation

12th Man Foundation

www.12thmanfoundation.com

If you pay the 85 scholarship football players and 13 scholarship Men's BB players , what do you do with the other 370 scholarship athletes?

I'm not saying i'm for or against, it's just an interesting issue and much deeper than what money football programs do or don't make.

Their total scholarship cost is $11.3 million. All sports.

Football revenue was $212, 748, 002.

NFL model has players receiving 38% - 48% of revenue(depending on whether you factor in benefits) If well run like the NFL? That leaves $81-$102 million to the players. If you want to give some to title IX, or non revenue sports? By all means. They should.

 

[Sudano]

Each player at Texas generates $8-$10M over the course of their collegiate career. Years from now, the NCAA will be studied in classrooms, as a glaring example of exploitation, corporate greed, and how a society allowed it to happen.

Walter Byers, the head of the NCAA, the man that coined the phrase "student athlete" to avoid paying workers comp for a player that was killed, said this in 1995:

"Each generation of young persons come along and all they ask is, 'Coach, give me a chance, I can do it.' And it's a disservice to these young people that the management of intercollegiate athletics stays in place committed to an outmoded code of amateurism.

"And I attribute that to, quite frankly, to the neo-plantation mentality that exists on the campuses of our country and in the conference offices and in the NCAA. The coach owns the athlete's feet, the college owns the athlete's body and the athlete's mind is supposed to comprehend a rulebook that I challenge Dave Berst, who's sitting down in this audience, to explain in rational terms to you inside of eight hours."

I support amateurism, but it was killed by the colleges greed many years ago.

That's assuming a backup TE contributes the same as the starting QB.
It also assumes ignoring profit and that the university has no non-revenue sports to pay for required by law.
So no a single football players does not provide millions of dollars of profit to the athletic department as a whole. In fact that Backup TE can't prove he provides any individual benefit to the bottom line.
He alone can be replaced on the roster and have no impact on profit.

 

[RandomGuy]

That's assuming a backup TE contributes the same as the starting QB.
It also assumes ignoring profit and that the university has no non-revenue sports to pay for required by law.
So no a single football players does not provide millions of dollars of profit to the athletic department as a whole. In fact that Backup TE can't prove he provides any individual benefit to the bottom line.
He alone can be replaced on the roster and have no impact on profit.

Well, sure. It was just a quick and dirty division of revenue/# of players. Not a statement on a certain individual's value in a free market system, or saying that players should be paid that.

I was also a little off. I used 53% ? of revenue, but the NFL model may be closer to 48% of revenue. That would put $130M left over at Texas, per the NFL model. If I quickly use the # of scholarships again, per the NFL model, each scholarship would generate about $6.5M over the course of a career.

Its the same Model Business insider used, in determining the value of each college player, if it was run like the NFL.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Their total scholarship cost is $11.3 million. All sports.

Football revenue was $212, 748, 002.

NFL model has players receiving 38% - 48% of revenue(depending on whether you factor in benefits) If well run like the NFL? That leaves $81-$102 million to the players. If you want to give some to title IX, or non revenue sports? By all means. They should.

Right but can't imagine they will, what would the motivation be to do so? My concern would be potential negative impact on non revenue athletes for the gain of revenue athletes. If 98 athletes benefit, and 370 lose out is it worth it?

Additionally, what of the 50% or so of D1 football programs that aren't profitable? Schools like Rutgers that currently subsidize losses with student fees for non athletes. How do you compare them with a Notre Dame or Texas?

 

[RandomGuy]

Only legal action will give them the "motivation".

Right but can't imagine they will, what would the motivation be to do so? My concern would be potential negative impact on non revenue athletes for the gain of revenue athletes. If 98 athletes benefit, and 370 lose out is it worth it?

Additionally, what of the 50% or so of D1 football programs that aren't profitable? Schools like Rutgers that currently subsidize losses with student fees for non athletes. How do you compare them with a Notre Dame or Texas?

My contention is that there is $ available at many schools. For those schools, the argument that their is no $$ is ridiculous.

I also don't believe athletes in college sports should be paid exorbitant amounts of $$. There are models that would give the players a % of any increase in revenue YOY, to give schools a chance to fix their institutionalized reckless spending, without hurting the non revenue sports.

There would still be winners and losers. Some schools would have to adopt an actual amateur model, like they all had 50 years ago. I'm all for actual amateurism.

 

[RandomGuy]

From a 1929, a 383 page Carnegie report on football:

"Commercialism has made possible the erection of fine academic buildings and the increase of equipment from the profits of college athletics," the report said, while noting how weird it was the players driving that growth were not officially compensated.

No football program made $500,000. ($7M in 2020)

The NCAA was created to protect this profit.

Inflation adjusted, revenue at the top schools have increased 32 times. Its a business.