Let’s pay players

[OttoinGrotto]

Or, instead of paying players, just stop prohibiting them from profiting from their name and likeness.

It really is that simple.

/copy and pasted

 

[Sudano]

Well, sure. It was just a quick and dirty division of revenue/# of players. Not a statement on a certain individual's value in a free market system, or saying that players should be paid that.

I was also a little off. I used 53% ? of revenue, but the NFL model may be closer to 48% of revenue. That would put $130M left over at Texas, per the NFL model. If I quickly use the # of scholarships again, per the NFL model, each scholarship would generate about $6.5M over the course of a career.

Its the same Model Business insider used, in determining the value of each college player, if it was run like the NFL.

The NFL does not need to subsidize or pay dozens sports and hundreds of students by law or other academic infrastructure by need or choice. The comparison is inherently flawed and wrong. The profit is required to pay for other sports. As much as people try to make a simple straight comparison between NFL and every Men's college football team it falls apart pretty quickly.

 

[LoveShack]

Does anyone think that by athletes getting paid that post game interviews could sound like a NASCAR victory lane interview?

Reporter: (random player) you guys played a great game today. What were your keys to this big win?
Random Player: well ya know I just gotta thank god and my family and these NIKE cleats, they really helped my grip into the turf today and ya know I cant say enough about that WILSON ball it just seemed to be a part of my hands and I really gotta thank the fans here at the WEGMANS (ya never know) dome. They were just so loud and into the game just like they were yesterday when I was signing autograhs at DRIVERS VILLAGE.
Reporter: Thats great. Where do you see your team going from here.
Random Player: well ya know we just taking it one game at a time so we just gonna take an UBER down to DINOSAUR BBQ for the best bbq in the world and a few MILLER LITEs and then get back to work and get ready to play State next week.

 

[RandomGuy]

The NFL does not need to subsidize or pay dozens sports and hundreds of students by law or other academic infrastructure by need or choice. The comparison is inherently flawed and wrong. The profit is required to pay for other sports. As much as people try to make a simple straight comparison between NFL and every Men's college football team it falls apart pretty quickly.

For 100 years folks have been wondering why players weren't otherwise compensated.

The 32 times increase in revenue was spent elsewhere(inflation adjusted). More than enough to subsidize other sports(32 plus other teams). That doesn't even count basketball.

You can argue that expenses have increased, but many of those were self imposed for the monetary gain of everyone involved but the student employees. The $$ has always been there. Mismanagement of it, by those that wanted it for themselves, is why there are labor laws. Why its going to the Supreme Court. Why people will look back and see a system that exploited young athletes for their own personal and institutional monetary gain.

If not? Every company in America needs to adopt the amateur model.

 

[RandomGuy]

2018 value of the Texas football team:

1.1 Billion Dollars

Thats more than
Oakland As
Cincinnati Reds
Tampa Bay Ray's
Kansas City Royals
Miami Marlins
Chicago Blackhawks
Boston Bruins
Los Angeles Kings
Philadelphia Flyers
ALL but 3 NHL teams
Charlotte Hornets
New Orleans Pelicans
Memphis Grizzlies
Milwaukee Bucks
Denver Nuggets

For the other side of the argument. Our 2018 value:
$121M. With a revenue of $44.6M
(Please note, this is pre ACC network, which was expected to add 10-20M per year)

Our hoops team is valued at $163M. #6.

College Football Value Rankings

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[Sudano]

2018 value of the Texas football team:

1.1 Billion Dollars

Thats more than
Oakland As
Cincinnati Reds
Tampa Bay Ray's
Kansas City Royals
Miami Marlins
Chicago Blackhawks
Boston Bruins
Los Angeles Kings
Philadelphia Flyers
ALL but 3 NHL teams
Charlotte Hornets
New Orleans Pelicans
Memphis Grizzlies
Milwaukee Bucks
Denver Nuggets

For the other side of the argument. Our 2018 value:
$121M. With a revenue of $44.6M
(Please note, this is pre ACC network, which was expected to add 10-20M per year)

Our hoops team is valued at $163M. #6.

College Football Value Rankings

graphics.wsj.com

Brewer’s study calculates what a college team would be worth on the open market if it could be bought and sold like a professional sports franchise.
It's not on the open market because it assumes it's profits are only the football team's when in fact they belong to the University (and the state) and pays for many other sports, university and academic departments, and millions of dollars of sport and non-sport salaries, budgets and expenses beyond football.

 

[RandomGuy]

Brewer’s study calculates what a college team would be worth on the open market if it could be bought and sold like a professional sports franchise.
It's not on the open market because it assumes it's profits are only the football team's when in fact they belong to the University (and the state) and pays for many other sports, university and academic departments, and millions of dollars of sport and non-sport salaries, budgets and expenses beyond football.

Yepp. Milking the cash cow, on the "neo-plantation." (Ref. Walter Byers)

 

[Sudano]

Yepp. Milking the cash cow, on the "neo-plantation." (Ref. Walter Byers)

Free education, gourmet food, and all those perks especially the vented lockers with TVs certainly harkens to the essence of slavery in this country.
You have to mention slavery or Hitler to gain any traction in a public debate now a days.

 

[RandomGuy]

Free education, gourmet food, and all those perks especially the vented lockers with TVs certainly harkens to the essence of slavery in this country.
You have to mention slavery or Hitler to gain any traction in a public debate now a days.

That was the former head of the NCAA's position. The man that designed the NCAA amateur model, and ran the NCAA from. 1951-1988. I felt his 1995 words may actually have merit, based on his 37 years of implementing it. He was rallying against the very system he created. The system HE called a neo-plantation.

He also said, the NCAA was "a nationwide money-laundering scheme."


He asked Congree to "Free the Athletes," and enact a "comprehensive College Athletes' Bill of Rights." He says that "this is not a suggestion for new government controls; on the contrary, it is an argument that the federal government should require deregulation of a monopoly business operated by not-for-profit institutions contracting together to achieve maximum financial returns." Doing so would treat the "twin curses of exploitation and hypocrisy that have bedeviled college athletics in direct proportion to its intensified commercialization," and would prevent colleges from denying players the freedoms available to other students. Finally, he says, "Collegiate amateurism is not a moral issue; it is an economic camouflage for monopoly practice. . . , that operates an air-tight racket of supplying cheap athletic labor.'"

---The man that designed "amateurism", and ran, the NCAA for 37 years.

My intent was not for a social media ignorant hot take. It was to relay the words of the man who designed the very system we are discussing.

 

[Sudano]

That was the former head of the NCAA's position. The man that designed the NCAA amateur model, and ran the NCAA from. 1951-1988. I felt his 1995 words may actually have merit, based on his 37 years of implementing it. He was rallying against the very system he created. The system HE called a neo-plantation.

He also said, the NCAA was "a nationwide money-laundering scheme."


He asked Congree to "Free the Athletes," and enact a "comprehensive College Athletes' Bill of Rights." He says that "this is not a suggestion for new government controls; on the contrary, it is an argument that the federal government should require deregulation of a monopoly business operated by not-for-profit institutions contracting together to achieve maximum financial returns." Doing so would treat the "twin curses of exploitation and hypocrisy that have bedeviled college athletics in direct proportion to its intensified commercialization," and would prevent colleges from denying players the freedoms available to other students. Finally, he says, "Collegiate amateurism is not a moral issue; it is an economic camouflage for monopoly practice. . . , that operates an air-tight racket of supplying cheap athletic labor.'"

---The man that designed "amateurism", and ran, the NCAA for 37 years.

My intent was not for a social media ignorant hot take. It was to relay the words of the man who designed the very system we are discussing.

While I do think significant changes need to occur, I just don't think post-plantation and money laundering scheme are quite the appropriate verbiage no matter who came up with it. The entire role of capitalism is to minimize the capital expense of labor. The issue is bigger than just the NCAA. He continued to ignore non-revenue sports and even revenue sports at small schools. NCAA is very top heavy and to criticize them all again misses the nuance and subtlety of the entire issue and not just the Texas and Alabama football examples.

 

[RandomGuy]

I can understand not liking his verbiage. In 1995 folks spoke a bit bluntly. I think the points after still hold truth. He invented the system.

In terms of non revenue sports? He led the NCAA for 16 years after title IX. I presume he had a full understanding of it. I haven't seen anything with him ignoring all non revenue sports. Title IX should exist.

His points of exploitation and hypocrisy still stand, for me. Colleges spending every last penny they took in is on the college. I'm for deregulating it, breaking up the monopoly, and forcing them to be responsible, or go back to being actual amateurs.