Let's Play UB Every Year

[Alsacs]

2 for 1 or 3 for 2 deal minimum to play Buffalo. Buffalo has taken 2 paycheck games this year from Ohio State and Baylor if we want to play them fine, but a 1-1 deal is the not the deal SU will accept. I am okay with playing Buffalo as its a close game and will save expenses for both schools by being able to bus to and from the game but not on an annual basis its like West Virginia having to play Marshall and Colorado having to play Colorado State annually and both of those fanbases hate those games. I would give Army a 1-1 or an even matchup at Mitchie is awesome and they are freaking West Point you treat them with respect for what they are going to do and are doing for our country.

 

[Frozen]

I think, though could be wrong, that the OP and others in the thread suggest that playing Upstate teams regularly is a possible way to promote the team in those Upstate markets, where the perceived hopes of increasing attendance lie, as folks have postulated here recently. Makes sense to me. We must schedule a couple FCS teams per year; why should they not be the ones in upstate NYS with whom SU had legit historical rivalries or at least played often back in the day. Unfortunately only Colgate, Buffalo, and Army are BCS level. Too bad we can't play URochester, Manhattan, Hobart, Albany, Binghamton, etc. anymore. Fire up Fordham, Hofstra, Stony Brook etc. instead.

Colgate is not BCS level. And Hofstra does not have a football team anymore.

 

[Bayside44]

Ugh, no.

Why are people so intent on having us play the same damn OOC opponents every year?

You mean like Northwestern?

 

[OrangeMojo]

Army has always refused to schedule SU on an every year basis. They believe in playing an alternating national schedule. Therefore we can only get them about once every ten years or so.
I do not believe anything has changed in Army's scheduling philosophy. So thoughts of them on anywhere close to a regular basis is a fantasy.

including the 2013 season:
Army has played Rutgers in 8 of the last 12 seasons
Army has played Temple in 6 of the last 7 seasons
Army has played Boston College in 4 of the last 9 season
Army has played Syracuse in 0 of the last 12 seasons

not a fantasy - except for Syracuse apparently

 

[MarcusPitt]

I love the idea of playing ub on a 2 for 1 basis. It's a nice regional game. Great for upstate and wny recruits. It's also easy for fans to travel both ways. It also be easy on travel expenses for the schools. Scheduling ub is no different than Ohio st scheduling ohio and Youngstown st every year!

 

[Legendof44]

Ive said my entire life that we should play Army every single year. EVERY SINGLE YEAR. I hate that i cant go to west point to see SU play them cause that stadium and west point are gorgeous. Buffalo would be fine every 4 years or so. I would rather play Navy every other year.

 

[RICuse44]

Putting aside the fact that you're ridiculously biased, PSU and Pitt have been pretty dominant in recruiting Western NY and I seemed to have missed the part where playing UB every year was so pivotal in that.

Kids in Buffalo aren't growing up Syracuse fans because a) they have the Bills and b) Syracuse hasn't been nationally relevant in 10 years. Any kid in Buffalo can put the TV on and catch a Syracuse game if they want to. What makes you think playing a game there once every 2 years is going to change anything? If Syracuse becomes nationally relevant again, it will solve the lack of attention issue from Western NY on its own, the program doesn't need UB for that, it just needs to win.

Agree with this. Nothing to gain. On the flip side though I do like the fact that they practice out in Rochester during spring ball. I would like to see this and the Fort Drum trip continued. Helps introduce the team to families in Western NY and the troops in the North Country who are from everywhere.

 

[Ozcuse]

Schedule a 10 year block as follows:

2H:1A with UB (See about moving the UB home game to Ralph)

1H:1A:1N with Army (at Met Life)

2H with Stony Brook

2H with Wagner

 

[bnoro]

Schedule a 10 year block as follows:

2H:1A with UB (See about moving the UB home game to Ralph)

1H:1A:1N with Army (at Met Life)

2H with Stony Brook

2H with Wagner

Yep, just what MetLife wants, a crowd of 20k to see SU play Army.

 

[Ozcuse]

Yep, just what MetLife wants, a crowd of 20k to see SU play Army.

But I thought the NYC alums were going to show us locals how it's done?

Ok move it to Yankee Stadium. Rutgers and Army played at Yankee Stadium and drew 30k+. Surely you guys could beat that!

I say this in jest. I'd like to see some friendly competition between the alumni clubs as competition can only help attendance numbers overall.

 

[Pyle]

Schedule a 10 year block as follows:

2H:1A with UB (See about moving the UB home game to Ralph)

1H:1A:1N with Army (at Met Life)

2H with Stony Brook

2H with Wagner

I'd rather see us play Albany than Wagner.

 

[Ozcuse]

I'd rather see us play Albany than Wagner.

If they are eligible to play under NCAA standards then I'm all for it too.

 

[Pyle]

What's the obsession with Army? And I don't get the guys who think UB is a no-win proposition? UB is still FBS and therefore counts towards a bowl period. No limitations. We have enough yearly opponents in the ACC. Can't we get some variety in the Dome? This isn't 1954. We have the ability to travel fairly easily. I don't like the idea of any set opponents like that. There's 119 FBS team. It would be alot more fun to play them than Army every year.

I feel like a good rotation would be 1 FCS, 1 MAC, 1 CUSA, and a big boy crossover with a middle of the road team like Illinois, Indiana, Missouri, etc. That Missouri game was awesome last year. Enough of the USC, PSU, etc nonsense until we re-establish ourselves. We play enough good programs in the ACC.

 

[Pyle]

If they are eligible to play under NCAA standards then I'm all for it too.

They are D1 FCS so I don't see why not. Same as Colgate, Wagner, R.I., etc.

 

[OrangeAggieArmy]

What's the obsession with Army? And I don't get the guys who think UB is a no-win proposition? UB is still FBS and therefore counts towards a bowl period. No limitations. We have enough yearly opponents in the ACC. Can't we get some variety in the Dome? This isn't 1954. We have the ability to travel fairly easily. I don't like the idea of any set opponents like that. There's 119 FBS team. It would be alot more fun to play them than Army every year.

I feel like a good rotation would be 1 FCS, 1 MAC, 1 CUSA, and a big boy crossover with a middle of the road team like Illinois, Indiana, Missouri, etc. That Missouri game was awesome last year. Enough of the USC, PSU, etc nonsense until we re-establish ourselves. We play enough good programs in the ACC.

I think a lot of people want Army because it's a close away game at a great venue that's also easy for NYC/LI recruits to see. I think another positive of playing Army is they can serve as prep for playing GT.

 

[Ottoble]

If Buffalo wants to brand themselves New York's college team then it's time for them to step up to the plate and play SU every year in football. I would love to see us open with UB and Colgate every season.

"UB and Army"

UB, COLGATE, AND ARMY and (Penn State/Notre Dame/Maryland or Some other big FBS)

2H:1A series with UB and 2H:1A or N ARMY and Home series for Colgate.

Follow the Jimmy B model don't leave the state and feed the fan base in western and eastern New York.

 

[dollarbill44]

"UB and Army"

UB, COLGATE, AND ARMY and (Penn State/Notre Dame/Maryland or Some other big FBS)

2H:1A series with UB and 2H:1A or N ARMY and Home series for Colgate.

Follow the Jimmy B model don't leave the state and feed the fan base in western and eastern New York.

Why no Temple, Princeton, Villanova? If we're talking the JB model, those are greater NY area games (i.e. home games according to ESPN).

 

[Trueblue25]

No home and home. Preferably a 3 to 1. Their stadium seats 15,000.

There stadium seats over 29,000.

 

[Trueblue25]

Why legitimize their program?

At their absolute best they could be the best of the group of five and get into the playoffs. They'll never be in a BCS conference, it will be like Marshall and WVU or Ohio State and Miami Ohio.

Have you not been watching the MAC over the past 5 years? The teams are consistently getting better and better. Northern Illinois and Ohio U or w.e. for example.

 

[GoSU96]

Schedule a 10 year block as follows:

2H:1A with UB (See about moving the UB home game to Ralph)

1H:1A:1N with Army (at Met Life)

2H with Stony Brook

2H with Wagner

If you are going to play Army away from the Dome, there is ONLY one place to do it, and that's Michie. Why would anyone ever want to do anything else? Late September, early October. Perfect.

 

[Trueblue25]

Putting aside the fact that you're ridiculously biased, PSU and Pitt have been pretty dominant in recruiting Western NY and I seemed to have missed the part where playing UB every year was so pivotal in that.

Kids in Buffalo aren't growing up Syracuse fans because a) they have the Bills and b) Syracuse hasn't been nationally relevant in 10 years. Any kid in Buffalo can put the TV on and catch a Syracuse game if they want to. What makes you think playing a game there once every 2 years is going to change anything? If Syracuse becomes nationally relevant again, it will solve the lack of attention issue from Western NY on its own, the program doesn't need UB for that, it just needs to win.

I'm a UB student and not 1 Syracuse football game has been televised. The fact that PSU and Pitt command WNY to an extent is embarrassing.

Another thing I've noticed... I've been to downtown Buffalo and downtown Syracuse this year. UB has more billboards advertising the football program in there city than Cuse does in Cuse! And Buffalo sucks!

The Athletic department NEEDS to step up advertisement.

 

[GoSU96]

Yeah playing UB god forbid we look good infront of all the potential recruits from the area we've lost out on. Ollison, Wheatley, etc. etc. from the Rochester/Buffalo/Niagara area.

A home and home with UB would help Syracuse. Of course you'll beat them.

Why would you EVER trade proven domination over another area of NY for a home and home with Army?

It'd do Syracuse good to maintain recruiting dominance over western ny before it tries for Yonkers/Brooklyn/NYC etc.

I'm talking more so towards football.

Yeah, because TJ is unfamilar with Syracuse.

Brilliant.

 

[Trueblue25]

University at Buffalo Stadium: Capacity - 29,500

Alumni Arena: Capacity - 6,000 to 7,000


Honestly though UB is an improving basketball program... I could see it beneficiary for Syracuse to play a 2h1a with Buffalo. The atmosphere in Alumni is crazy and a team like Syracuse would draw a full crowd easily. 6 to 7,000 fans in that space could provide key experience to freshman and other unseasoned players of Syracuse. You'd beat the crap out of us, but it'd be a great game to be a part of. UB students would root for UB and I'm sure thered be at least 2 to 3 thousand SU fans.

 

[Trueblue25]

Yeah, because TJ is unfamilar with Syracuse.

Brilliant.

How about you take the closer example, Ollison. TJ unfortunately was always a little out of our reach, I've known this since I graduated FM.

Edit: Clearly TJ knew about SU as he had most of his HS education at FM. However I'm just making a point that it's sad that kids in Buffalo/Niagara may look forward to going to PSU/Pitt more than homestate Syracuse.

 

[SUbear]

including the 2013 season:
Army has played Rutgers in 8 of the last 12 seasons
Army has played Temple in 6 of the last 7 seasons
Army has played Boston College in 4 of the last 9 season
Army has played Syracuse in 0 of the last 12 seasons

not a fantasy - except for Syracuse apparently

Assuming this is correct, which I have not nor will I check, it does not alter my main point that Army has always been the one who would not schedule SU on a regular basis.