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Let's put the roster in buckets

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I've seen a lot of griping about player development and wanted to know if there was any merit to it. One thing I keep reading is that these are all Dino's players now and we should be in a better place. That's a noble aspiration (I am all for it), but what no one is acknowledging is that Dino only had 5-6 weeks to polish off his first recruiting class, which had a few holdovers from Shafer's regime. Those players are now seniors, unless they redshirted.

In my mind, it really takes 6 years for most head coaches (not just Dino) to have a fully operational roster in his vision. I correlate it to the discipline of writing ... rarely is a piece ideal on the first draft. In this instance, one draft is 4 recruiting classes.

The 2019 SU Football Team is the initial draft of Dino's program. And it is not perfect. It is flawed. It is 3-4 through 7 games. He has some work to do, filling holes, restrategizing positional emphasis, etc.

Here is how I categorized his current roster (players in italics are from his initial Feb. 2016 recruiting class). To me, I see a roster that has great potential. I also think we'll need to see more development of high-level talent to remain a consistent program.

Note that there are a few players in here (Cordy/2014, Hofrichter/2015) that signed in prior to Dino's arrival in Dec. of 2015:

All-ACC Level Performer
Kendall Coleman, DE; Alton Robinson, DE; Andre Cisco, S; Andre Szmyt, PK; Sterling Hofrichter, P;

Multi-Year Starter
Scoop Bradshaw, CB; Evan Foster, S; Moe Neal, RB; Sean Riley, WR; Airon Servais, OL; McKinley Williams; DT; Nykeim Johnson. WR; Christopher Fredrick, CB; Antwan Cordy, DB; Evan Adams, OG;

One-Year Starter
Andrew Armstrong, LB; Josh Black, DT; Sam Heckel, OL; Kenneth Ruff, DT; Tommy DeVito, QB; Ifeatu Melifonwu, CB; Aaron Hackett, TE; Ravian Pierce, TE; Ryan Guthrie, LB; Atrilleon Williams, DB; Taj Harris, WR; Carlos Vettorello, OT; Lakiem Williams, LB; Dakota Davis, OG;

Contributor
Brandon Berry, DE; Chris Elmore, FB/TE/DT; Jarveon Howard, RB; Sharod Johnson, WR; Tyrell Richards, LB/DE; Eric Coley, S; Cameron Jordan, WR; Allen Stritzinger, CB; Curtis Harper. DT; Jonathan Kingsley, DE; Luke Benson, TE; Mikel Jones, LB;

Non Factor - Upper Classmen (Less than 2 years of eligibility remaining)
Shaquille Grosvenor; DT; Michael Clark, OL; Carl Jones, DB; Liam O’Sullivan, OL; Zach Morton, DE; Kadeem Trotter, LB; Russell Thompson-Bishop, WR; Patrick Davis, OL; Markenzy Pierre, RB; DuWayne Johnson, DB; Devon Clarke, DB;

Non Factor - Younger in Program (3+ years of eligibility remaining)
Cooper Lutz, WR; Willem Froumy, LO; Juan Wallace, LB; Anthony Queeley, WR; Jawhar Jordan, ATL; Cameron Jonas, S; Qadir White, OL; Jason Muñoz, DE; David Summers, QB; Garrison Johnson, RB; Steven Linton, DE; Matthew Bergeron, OT; Geoff Cantin, LB; Adrian Cole, CB; Cooper Dawson, DE/TE; Aman Greenwood, CB; Ishmael Goulbourne, DE; Courtney Jackson, WR; Jawhar Jordan, RB; Lee Kpogba, LB; Cornelius Nunn, S; Anthony Red, OG; Joe Rondi, DT; Darius Tisdale, OT; Andrew Tuazama, DE; Garrett Williams, CB;

Injury
Rex Culpepper, QB (also injury/health); Josh Allen, DE; Jake Pickard, DT; Gabe Horan, TE; Edward Hendrix, WR; Caleb Okechukwu, DE;

Transferred Out
Devin Butler, WR; Tim Walton, LB; Nadarius Fagan, LB; Chance Amie, QB; Justin Ellis, DE; Tre Allison, LB; Jaquwan Nelson, DE;

Never Showed Up at SU
Jo-El Shaw, RB; B.J. Daniels, RB; Mykelti Williams, DB; Akeem Dixon, RB (left after one week);
James Pierre, DB
 

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I don't know whether to cry or laugh when looking at this.....regardless recruiting is the life blood of a program and we have been sub par at best. Im afraid we are going to get desperate going into next season and have a huge influx of Juco Transfers. While this is a temporary band aid and may result in some wins next season our overall recruiting philosophy and game plan needs to change fast.
 

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I've seen a lot of griping about player development and wanted to know if there was any merit to it. One thing I keep reading is that these are all Dino's players now and we should be in a better place. That's a noble aspiration (I am all for it), but what no one is acknowledging is that Dino only had 5-6 weeks to polish off his first recruiting class, which had a few holdovers from Shafer's regime. Those players are now seniors, unless they redshirted.

In my mind, it really takes 6 years for most head coaches (not just Dino) to have a fully operational roster in his vision. I correlate it to the discipline of writing ... rarely is a piece ideal on the first draft. In this instance, one draft is 4 recruiting classes.

The 2019 SU Football Team is the initial draft of Dino's program. And it is not perfect. It is flawed. It is 3-4 through 7 games. He has some work to do, filling holes, restrategizing positional emphasis, etc.

Here is how I categorized his current roster (players in italics are from his initial Feb. 2016 recruiting class). To me, I see a roster that has great potential. I also think we'll need to see more development of high-level talent to remain a consistent program.

Note that there are a few players in here (Cordy/2014, Hofrichter/2015) that signed in prior to Dino's arrival in Dec. of 2015:

All-ACC Level Performer
Kendall Coleman, DE; Alton Robinson, DE; Andre Cisco, S; Andre Szmyt, PK; Sterling Hofrichter, P;

Multi-Year Starter
Scoop Bradshaw, CB; Evan Foster, S; Moe Neal, RB; Sean Riley, WR; Airon Servais, OL; McKinley Williams; DT; Nykeim Johnson. WR; Christopher Fredrick, CB; Antwan Cordy, DB; Evan Adams, OG;

One-Year Starter
Andrew Armstrong, LB; Josh Black, DT; Sam Heckel, OL; Kenneth Ruff, DT; Tommy DeVito, QB; Ifeatu Melifonwu, CB; Aaron Hackett, TE; Ravian Pierce, TE; Ryan Guthrie, LB; Atrilleon Williams, DB; Taj Harris, WR; Carlos Vettorello, OT; Lakiem Williams, LB; Dakota Davis, OG;

Contributor
Brandon Berry, DE; Chris Elmore, FB/TE/DT; Jarveon Howard, RB; Sharod Johnson, WR; Tyrell Richards, LB/DE; Eric Coley, S; Cameron Jordan, WR; Allen Stritzinger, CB; Curtis Harper. DT; Jonathan Kingsley, DE; Luke Benson, TE; Mikel Jones, LB;

Non Factor - Upper Classmen (Less than 2 years of eligibility remaining)
Shaquille Grosvenor; DT; Michael Clark, OL; Carl Jones, DB; Liam O’Sullivan, OL; Zach Morton, DE; Kadeem Trotter, LB; Russell Thompson-Bishop, WR; Patrick Davis, OL; Markenzy Pierre, RB; DuWayne Johnson, DB; Devon Clarke, DB;

Non Factor - Younger in Program (3+ years of eligibility remaining)
Cooper Lutz, WR; Willem Froumy, LO; Juan Wallace, LB; Anthony Queeley, WR; Jawhar Jordan, ATL; Cameron Jonas, S; Qadir White, OL; Jason Muñoz, DE; David Summers, QB; Garrison Johnson, RB; Steven Linton, DE; Matthew Bergeron, OT; Geoff Cantin, LB; Adrian Cole, CB; Cooper Dawson, DE/TE; Aman Greenwood, CB; Ishmael Goulbourne, DE; Courtney Jackson, WR; Jawhar Jordan, RB; Lee Kpogba, LB; Cornelius Nunn, S; Anthony Red, OG; Joe Rondi, DT; Darius Tisdale, OT; Andrew Tuazama, DE; Garrett Williams, CB;

Injury
Rex Culpepper, QB (also injury/health); Josh Allen, DE; Jake Pickard, DT; Gabe Horan, TE; Edward Hendrix, WR; Caleb Okechukwu, DE;

Transferred Out
Devin Butler, WR; Tim Walton, LB; Nadarius Fagan, LB; Chance Amie, QB; Justin Ellis, DE; Tre Allison, LB; Jaquwan Nelson, DE;

Never Showed Up at SU
Jo-El Shaw, RB; B.J. Daniels, RB; Mykelti Williams, DB; Akeem Dixon, RB (left after one week);
James Pierre, DB
The OL is inept. Marrone had a much bigger rebuild. See where his line was at in year 4 and get back to me.
 

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I don't know whether to cry or laugh when looking at this...regardless recruiting is the life blood of a program and we have been sub par at best. Im afraid we are going to get desperate going into next season and have a huge influx of Juco Transfers. While this is a temporary band aid and may result in some wins next season our overall recruiting philosophy and game plan needs to change fast.
Tough to succeed when half of Dino’s initial class is either categorized as either a non-contributor, injured, transferred out or never arrived on campus. And I don’t blame Dino, like any coach hired in mid-December, as he is basically overseeing a salvage job at that point. Tough sledding.
 

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If you are going to put the roster in buckets, can you make sure that bucket you put the OL starters in is full of water?

Seriously though, the names on the non-factor upper classmen list is eye opening. Lots of disappointment there.
 

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