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Let's Talk About What We Need From the Portal

Rick Jackson is exactly the type of guy I was thinking for center. That wouldn't be an elite future NBA type but a really good college player that can do everything you need a big guy to do. I don't think we necessarily need our PG to be a 40% shooter from three. 35% would be fine as long as we also have a forward that can be around the same. That's good enough that defenders have to honor it. I think about the 2003 team. Nobody was lights out with regards to percentage, but we often had three guys on the floor at the same time that went .337, .350, and .357. What we can't have are one trick ponies. I don't care if you can shoot over .400 if you can't do anything else. We need guys that can score on 2, if not all three levels and then contribute in other ways like rebounding and/or defense. And we need the coaches to put those guys in the right positions and not wait half a season to start gelling.
The 2003 isn’t a good comparison just because it was so long ago and the game was very different overall. Plus, we obviously had perhaps the best college player ever.

We brought 2 guys off the bench that both couldn’t shoot! Great playmakers and fit the team well, but they were both paint players.

What a nice well rounded team though 1-8.
 
My two cents is that SU has always been a team that has focused on great guard play. Too many to name but one that stands out is Red. He was a HS legend and went on to do great things at SU.
In order for Syracuse to be great we need great guards. Yes, our best teams were loaded at each position, but in the years that we lacked a great center or forward we have competed, but we have never won with average guards. Most teams don't and SU never has.
That is my message to them on NIL. It's like a football team. Without a good QB it doesn't matter. Sure, there are the unicorn teams that come along once a decade but if you want to win at football, you need a QB. If you want to win at basketball, you better have great guards. Until we do we are at best going to be average. Who we spend money on now had better be one hell of a point.

The PG position in hoops is the most critical position in the sport, a kin to the QB in football. It is, IMO, one of the main reasons why Syracuse has struggled so much ever since Ennis left.

After the PG, it's the wing/SF spot. That's the 1-2 punch that has brought SU some of its greatest successes. As great as Melo was for us, the unsung hero that year was Billy Edelin.
 
The world we live in unfortunately the loudest in the room tends to get more respect*.

Question how old was he looking? I may not think he did a good job as a coach this season but it was obvious that the weight of this season was hitting him. Few of our games he looked like he was closer to 70 than 55.

*Not talking about politics. Looking at other coaches around the league.
I really felt especially early in the season. That coach just wasn’t himself. I really think the chaotic portal cycle last season took a toll on him. That when he finally got the roster together. The energy to coach the team up early just wasn’t there. He was burned out before the season even started. I think with Kline and the front office we have going it will take a lot of pressure off of him moving forward and focus on the day to day coaching and game prep and overall getting the team ready for day 1 next season. I think for most part we played up to our talent level in the second half of the season. Just look at our Bart Tovik of 61 in the last month of the season. Seems about right playing without Donnie. At full health and performing to maximum potential from the start with the talent we had, we could’ve been a 35-45 range team this past season. What changed by February from November? I think the team finally started to gel, but also I think Autry was probably better rested and focused on the coaching side of the job. All just observation from the game I did attend this past season and watching from the couch.
 
Keeping it simple, we need better players than the ones we had, and we need a lot of them.

I do think point guard should be the top priority. But we have so many scholarships available. We need lots of additions, and hopefully guys that can do something on both ends of the court.
 
JJ is not a plus shooter, but his percentages would be a good deal better last season if he had other guys on the team to create offense and put him in catch and shoot situations. Too often he was the guy who had to make something happen. With Carlos unable to dribble by anyone and no Q type guy to create at the forward spot, not to mention Donnie getting hurt, all the attention was on JJ all the time. Lampkin kicking it out from the post was the only other way we generated looks, and that was inconsistent all year. Also he had that hand injury he was dealing with. Hoping he gets more efficient with more legit weapons on offense.
 
I think Fennell could also slide over to play a wing (3). He’s 6’6”. That gives us some flexibility in using the portal.

No, not really, because you have to have a 3 who can rebound.

I still see Fennell as a Chris Mullen, Manu Ginobli type of player - big, multi-skilled guard, but not a small forward.
 
The 2003 isn’t a good comparison just because it was so long ago and the game was very different overall. Plus, we obviously had perhaps the best college player ever.

We brought 2 guys off the bench that both couldn’t shoot! Great playmakers and fit the team well, but they were both paint players.

What a nice well rounded team though 1-8.

They couldn't shoot THREES, but they most certainly were scorers who could almost always get to the rim.
 
No, not really, because you have to have a 3 who can rebound.

still see Fennell as a Chris Mullen, Manu Ginobli type of player - big, multi-skilled guard, but not a small forward.
We still are getting to caught up with positions.
 
We still are getting to caught up with positions.

I understand your point, and I agree.
But you still have to evaluate the mix of offensive and defensive skills on the floor at any one time.

My point has been, "yes, a lot of these combos can work together, but not for a whole game". Everybody seems to forget that part -- that a half dozen different lineup combinations are on the floor for you in any one game, maybe more.

It's how the combinations fits together, and there were too many times last year that we saw not enough offense, or not enough outside shooting, or not enough post defense, among the 5 guys we had on the floor.
 
The 2003 isn’t a good comparison just because it was so long ago and the game was very different overall. Plus, we obviously had perhaps the best college player ever.

We brought 2 guys off the bench that both couldn’t shoot! Great playmakers and fit the team well, but they were both paint players.

What a nice well rounded team though 1-8.
The game hasn't changed that much. There are teams that win with shooting all over the floor but there are other teams that have made it to the sweet 16 without being as shooter heavy. There are different ways to win. I saw teams win last weekend relying on good physical interior play with complementary shooting. Balance is still important.
 
They couldn't shoot THREES, but they most certainly were scorers who could almost always get to the rim.
About Billy, Hac always said his floater in the lane you couldn't block. And Billy would bully most of the guards who played him.
But he always looked for the open man first.
 

Let's Talk About What We Need From the Portal​


how about some team chemistry. effort on both ends. run and gun excitement...


finished with amazing monster dunks.
 
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absolute necessities: PG and Center
also very important: backup C, 3rd center
good ideas: 3 and d wing, another guard


dont need: SG, PF

way I look at it, need (in order of importance): PG1, C1, C2, SF, C3, G5

im saying all this assuming that anthony, fennell and white are going to be contributors this year...
 
The game hasn't changed that much. There are teams that win with shooting all over the floor but there are other teams that have made it to the sweet 16 without being as shooter heavy. There are different ways to win. I saw teams win last weekend relying on good physical interior play with complementary shooting. Balance is still important.
Everyone left outside of Arkansas and Arizona can shoot. They just happen to have the most losses. It would be one thing if we went all in on great defenders, but that doesn’t seem to be the case.

As far as the 03 team goes Gerry, Melo, and Duany were all above average 3 point shooters.
 
Everyone left outside of Arkansas and Arizona can shoot. They just happen to have the most losses. It would be one thing if we went all in on great defenders, but that doesn’t seem to be the case.

As far as the 03 team goes Gerry, Melo, and Duany were all above average 3 point shooters.
And Hak, Billy, and Pace were good scorers in the paint.
 
Everyone left outside of Arkansas and Arizona can shoot. They just happen to have the most losses. It would be one thing if we went all in on great defenders, but that doesn’t seem to be the case.

As far as the 03 team goes Gerry, Melo, and Duany were all above average 3 point shooters.
I know they were, that was my point. You don't have to shoot 40% to be effective. I listed their percentages in a previous post. Gerry was our best at 35.7% and Melo shot 33.7. That's plenty good if you have 3 guys on the floor at once that can shoot around there and can also score in other ways while also having a guy or two that score in the post. Of course, in 2003 Melo could score at all three levels and we also had Hak as a post scoring option.
 
Had a talk with coach last night who was with Kline. We all have our issues with Reds coaching but if you have ever had the opportunity to speak with him, he is such a nice person. Very humble and an excellent listener. I was very impressed. I do think that SU has the funding to compete and I hope that Red gets it done next season because he is all Syracuse. It's his home and I could tell it is killing him that the program is in the state it is in. Good guy hope he turns it around.
As i watch Duke, yeah they pay for great players but their coach has them ALL playing at warp speed. Every kid plays hard as they can. We arent even 20 points close to them. Love Donny but think he has flashes of Flagg without the effort. Please dont tell me he is only a frosh. Kid is loaded with talent but not with want. If he wants Flagg money, he gotta do Flagg stuff. Flagg makes mistskes but does itat 120%. Thier whole team plays really fast. In my opinion its a coach thing. My point being is u either teach it or u allow it and either way its your fault. I get us trying to be best people ever but if we had Hop,Red, and Jerry we would have the nicest staff ever but would they be the best. Met Red years and years ago and couldnt find a nicer human. Problem is u either motivate the kids or u dont. No in between. Can Red do this, i hope so but i truly doubt it and I really hope i am 1000% wrong.
 
As i watch Duke, yeah they pay for great players but their coach has them ALL playing at warp speed. Every kid plays hard as they can. We arent even 20 points close to them. Love Donny but think he has flashes of Flagg without the effort. Please dont tell me he is only a frosh. Kid is loaded with talent but not with want. If he wants Flagg money, he gotta do Flagg stuff. Flagg makes mistskes but does itat 120%. Thier whole team plays really fast. In my opinion its a coach thing. My point being is u either teach it or u allow it and either way its your fault. I get us trying to be best people ever but if we had Hop,Red, and Jerry we would have the nicest staff ever but would they be the best. Met Red years and years ago and couldnt find a nicer human. Problem is u either motivate the kids or u dont. No in between. Can Red do this, i hope so but i truly doubt it and I really hope i am 1000% wrong.
My take is that Red is more of a father figure type personality. Very positive. Definitely not a hard arse type like JB. There are lots of ways to motivate people. I hope that his style works.
 
I know they were, that was my point. You don't have to shoot 40% to be effective. I listed their percentages in a previous post. Gerry was our best at 35.7% and Melo shot 33.7. That's plenty good if you have 3 guys on the floor at once that can shoot around there and can also score in other ways while also having a guy or two that score in the post. Of course, in 2003 Melo could score at all three levels and we also had Hak as a post scoring option.
That's ancient history

Have to shoot better than that now
 
My take is that Red is more of a father figure type personality. Very positive. Definitely not a hard arse type like JB. There are lots of ways to motivate people. I hope that his style works.
Me too for sure, but i also feel Duke coach is same way but how does he get that effort. kinda amazing now a days.
 
I apologize if this has been brought up already, but there's a 7 ft center from Campbell in the portal named Wesley Johnson. I don't know anything about him or if he's absolute garbage, but we HAVE to get this kid based on name alone right? Maybe we can go two for two on transfers called Wesley Johnson! Which made me think: can you imagine how badly Wesley Johnson wanted to play for Syracuse? He sat out a whole year just to wear the orange jersey for just a year .. crazy when you think of that fact now.
In fairness, Chance Westry sat 2 years just to play minus one games for us.
 

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