Louisville and perceived unfairness to current players

[CuseHulk]

That's his point.

I don't get it.

 

[Dave85]

The 'Ville will get hit with the dreaded 'lack of institutional control' along with improper benefits and who knows what else. They could be looking at a year of probation and one more post season ban at the least.

We still may see police indictments. I believe I read one of the hookers was underage.

 

[NYCSUGrad]

The fact North Carolina hasn't done ANYTHING proactively really tells me they don't think they are getting the hammer. Or maybe they just this last year with a chance at the title.

UNC should get double what we got. That is why I think JB and SU should sue the NCAA.

At least double.

 

[NYCSUGrad]

So because we were wronged means they should be? We'll end up getting our wins back, we've already got some scholarships back and we missed a post season we may not have even gotten into.

The investiagtion into Syracuse wasn't just about a few bucks put in kids pockets, it was about academic fraud as well. I'm not saying what we did was worse or less worse, but in all reality what we did and the Ville did aren't that big of deals in my opinion, they don't deserve to be out of the post season for 3 years, if it was us hiring ladies of the night for our guys I don't think you would be calling for Syracuse to lose 3 years of post season play.

The academic fraud we were accused of, if I am not mistaken, was regarding ONE student and ONE paper, and not that the paper was even written in its entirety for him, but edited by a tutor, possibly adding as little as one footnote. Furthermore that athlete sat out twice during the season, including the NCAAs.

As far as the $ put in the students' pockets, they actually performed a service for the $, keeping score at basketball games. It is absurd that a scholarship athlete can't earn $ as the rest of the student body can. Yes the student athlete gets room, board, books and certain travel expenses, but I don't believe the dining halls are open 24/7, and athletes need to eat. Plus should be able to do other activities in their free time just like any other student. They tend to come from poor families so can't rely on an allowance from mom and dad.

And yes if SU had provided hookers for several years to lure recruits to sign with us I think 3 years would be the least we could expect as a penalty.

 

[NineOneSeven]

I don't get it.

We are all absolutely stunned by this.

 

[jncuse]

Louisville is guilty of being lazy. Mcgee took the easy way out.

They should have rounded up the free stuff at the local bars or school events and had them ready for recruits. That is much more acceptable apparently.

 

[two3zone]

And yes if SU had provided hookers for several years to lure recruits to sign with us I think 3 years would be the least we could expect as a penalty.

It must be the Libertarian in my that doesn't think that hookers are a big deal. Whether it was Syracuse, Louisville, Kansas, Kentucky, or Lemoyne, doesn't seem like a huge deal. Hell, I'm sure these guys can walk on any campus and hook up with some chick that wants to get with a basketball player it'll happen, whats the difference if she gets paid for it.

 

[NYCSUGrad]

It must be the Libertarian in my that doesn't think that hookers are a big deal. Whether it was Syracuse, Louisville, Kansas, Kentucky, or Lemoyne, doesn't seem like a huge deal. Hell, I'm sure these guys can walk on any campus and hook up with some chick that wants to get with a basketball player it'll happen, whats the difference if she gets paid for it.

Perhaps. But it's still illegal, both to pay people for s e x and provide s e x ual favors for recruit, even if it was strictly college girls who got no $ for it.

 

[jncuse]

It must be the Libertarian in my that doesn't think that hookers are a big deal. Whether it was Syracuse, Louisville, Kansas, Kentucky, or Lemoyne, doesn't seem like a huge deal. Hell, I'm sure these guys can walk on any campus and hook up with some chick that wants to get with a basketball player it'll happen, whats the difference if she gets paid for it.

As a Canadian I generally share your view. Majority of Canadians believe the laws should be in place to criminalize human traffickers, ensure there is no underage activity, and that is not in public view (i.e. no street prostitution). If the activity is between consenting adults it should not be an illegal. Our laws were once of reasonable tolerance. But our conservative Prime Minister appeased a small portion of his political base (the religious nutjobs) and came up with severe criminal laws recently that makes it much more dangerous for sex workers.

At the same time, whether I disagree with the law or not, it is illegal in the United States (and in Canada now). Its not that you just broke a rule, but you did it via a criminal activity. I would think they get dinged more harshly.

But as you mentioned its a bit hypocritical, because they could just organize events, find groupies who may or may not get drunk and do it for free... and in my opinion that is more harmful then a professional who consented to it.

End of politics - back to basketball.

 

[two3zone]

As a Canadian I generally share your view. Majority of Canadians believe the laws should be in place to criminalize human traffickers, ensure there is no underage activity, and that is not in public view (i.e. no street prostitution). If the activity is between consenting adults so be it. Our laws were once of reasonable tolerance. But our conservative Prime Minister appeased a small portion of his political base (the religious nutjobs) and came up with severe criminal laws recently that makes it much more dangerous for s e x workers.

At the same time, whether I disagree with the law or not, it is illegal in the United States (and in Canada now). Its not that you just broke a rule, but you did it via a criminal activity. I would think they get dinged more harshly.

But as you mentioned its a bit hypocritical, because they could just organize events, find groupies who may or may not get drunk and do it for free... and in my opinion that is more harmful then a professional who consented to it.

End of politics - back to basketball.

I agree with you, laws were broken and it's more a political belief more than a NCAA issue. On the other hand, it can be said that we condoned illegal activity by not following our own drug policy. Again, a law I don't agree with hence the reason I don't see that as a big deal.

Get rid of the BS laws and it seems we'll be all good. lol

 

[NYCSUGrad]

As a Canadian I generally share your view. Majority of Canadians believe the laws should be in place to criminalize human traffickers, ensure there is no underage activity, and that is not in public view (i.e. no street prostitution). If the activity is between consenting adults it should not be an illegal. Our laws were once of reasonable tolerance. But our conservative Prime Minister appeased a small portion of his political base (the religious nutjobs) and came up with severe criminal laws recently that makes it much more dangerous for s e x workers.

At the same time, whether I disagree with the law or not, it is illegal in the United States (and in Canada now). Its not that you just broke a rule, but you did it via a criminal activity. I would think they get dinged more harshly.

But as you mentioned its a bit hypocritical, because they could just organize events, find groupies who may or may not get drunk and do it for free... and in my opinion that is more harmful then a professional who consented to it.

End of politics - back to basketball.

Trudeau may reverse that. I don't know if he plans to but it's conceivable.

 

[SWC75]

That would mimic the UNC defense.

Hookers who speak Swahili.

 

[Shark58]

2 or 3 years for some hookers? Come on...

if you rearrange the words in your post, it becomes a lot more fun

 

[Moontan]

It must be the Libertarian in my that doesn't think that hookers are a big deal.

It wouldn't be a big deal, if they were offered to every would-be student. I suspect that most engineering, or geology, students would not be offered such "benefits" while while making their college visits.

 

[kirbivore]

I don't get it.

 

[Niastri]

Or that UNC apologists have their heads buried in the sand despite the fact that the tsunami is headed their way.

I think it is primarily that, with some arrogance / denial mixed in. But I will say this: if UNC skates, then the NCAA sham will be fully exposed, and their time masquerading as an effectual governing body needs to come to an abrupt, resounding end.

Mark Emmert epitomizes their ineffectual approach, and his attempt to pigeon hole UNC's issues as "not in the NCAA wheelhouse" is blatantly intellectually dishonest. For if nearly two decades of academic cheating on this grand of a scale is tolerated by a governing body that feigns to be about amateur athletics, then the myriad of penny ante rules that the NCAA comes after schools with sure as hell shouldn't matter, either. They are treading on dangerous ground.

I very much enjoy the way you express things, RF.

 

[TheCusian]

So because we were wronged means they should be? We'll end up getting our wins back, we've already got some scholarships back and we missed a post season we may not have even gotten into. The investiagtion into Syracuse wasn't just about a few bucks put in kids pockets, it was about academic fraud as well. I'm not saying what we did was worse or less worse, but in all reality what we did and the Ville did aren't that big of deals in my opinion, they don't deserve to be out of the post season for 3 years, if it was us hiring ladies of the night for our guys I don't think you would be calling for Syracuse to lose 3 years of post season play.

This is a crazy a$$ post. Having a tutor or a secretary add footnotes to a paper is not the same thing as a member of the staff setting up a room full of hookers. Nor is it setting up fake classes for two decades.

 

[two3zone]

This is a crazy a$$ post. Having a tutor or a secretary add footnotes to a paper is not the same thing as a member of the staff setting up a room full of hookers. Nor is it setting up fake classes for two decades.

This is the first I heard it was adding just footnotes.

 

[TheCusian]

I agree with you, laws were broken and it's more a political belief more than a NCAA issue. On the other hand, it can be said that we condoned illegal activity by not following our own drug policy. Again, a law I don't agree with hence the reason I don't see that as a big deal. Get rid of the BS laws and it seems we'll be all good. lol

Yeah even if you don't think hookers a big deal, they cost money that these kids didn't have. Tattoos, cars, bags of money - all should be handled by the NCAA (or whomever could do it better) when it comes to light.

Just on a monetary scale $ for hookers > $ for keeping clock at the YMCA

 

[TheCusian]

This is the first I heard it was adding just footnotes.

According to JB