Love the RU board when it comes to expansion

[sdhusky]

THe Big Boy conferences took established brands. Only the Big East has gone after the "Johnny-Come-Lately" Teams.

Maybe. If you think that Utah & TCU are brands and not just recently strong programs.

 

[All4SU]

Maybe. If you think that Utah & TCU are brands and not just recently strong programs.

Well, certainly not FSU or Nebraska, or even Colorado. But better brands than most. TCU was an original SWC member. (And of course, they are in Texas) And Utah has been pretty solid for 20 years. I'd hardly call that just lately.

 

[NKR1978]

Maybe. If you think that Utah & TCU are brands and not just recently strong programs.

TCU has a Heisman winner and claims two national championships, aside from its recent success. Much like Syracuse and Pitt, it has a long and storied football history. TCU even beat Syracuse in the Cotton Bowl in Jim Brown's last game. I was genuinely excited when they were joining the Big East, but couldn't be happier for them ending up where they belong.

Utah has some success recently, but they would probably be the best example of an addition based off a market. And unlike Boise, it is academically palatable to the Pac, has an all around athletic program and is the state U.

 

[Cuseman78]

TCU has a Heisman winner and claims two national championships, aside from its recent success. Much like Syracuse and Pitt, it has a long and storied football history. TCU even beat Syracuse in the Cotton Bowl in Jim Brown's last game. I was genuinely excited when they were joining the Big East, but couldn't be happier for them ending up where they belong.

Utah has some success recently, but they would probably be the best example of an addition based off a market. And unlike Boise, it is academically palatable to the Pac, has an all around athletic program and is the state U.

Pickins were much slimmer out west. Utah and Colorado (2 state schools) were obvious choices. I don't think those fit into sdhusky's theory at all about Johnny Come Latelys. And you are dead on regarding TCU. It was a big time school that was temporary banished to a small-time conference. They are back where they belong.

 

[ImperialOrange]

You make some good points Imperial. Nebraska really is a name brand and attractive if they are up or down at any particular moment. you are 100% correct on that. And the SEC is so far above everyone else can not be disputed.

But why Utah? Why not SDSU or BYU or Wyoming or Fresno or UNLV? I'd argue that if any of those teams had been top 10 BCS winners, they would have gotten the invite over a .500 Utah program.

Out of those 6 choices Utah and BYU were the only 2 real options. Utah gave them the state without having to deal with all the BYU stipulations. Why would they add SDSU, or Fresno as smaller schools in markets they already have or Wyoming on UNLV in states that no one wants? Nevada (wolfpack) would probably be a better choice than the latter 4 but Utah or BYU >>>>> those other options. Plus factor in the academics being a factor for the PAC 12 as well.

If UofL had continued their success under Petrino and was a top 10 team most years, they would be in the Big 12 and not WVU. It's the krag years that killed them.

Agreed. If you read any of my other posts (and you have no reason to have but) you'd see that I think L'ville will end up in a bigger conference. L'ville hoops alone is worth a ton ($16m profit last year)and their football is coming back under Strong. WVU isn't bad add for the Big 12 but $EC didn't want them and ACC (due to academics) wouldn't take them. Pitt and Cuse may have lucked out due to both of those being ACC non flyers. UConn still may as well.

Why TCU and not SMU or Houston or Tulsa got the first call from the Big 12? Because of recent history. Same as why Houston and Boise got calls from the BE and not Tulane or Rice or UTEP.

Namebrand + recent history > namebrand > recent history > no history (at least from what we've seen so far)

I can understand SU & Pitt over UCONN & RU based on brand. None of the 4 have recently done anything great. However, if Schianno had RU consistently in the top 15 over the past 5 years, i am quite certain they would have been chosen first. If it was done in 2001, SU would have been the first chosen (and was when the ACC came the first time).

Agreed. If it was 2001 SU would be a no brainer (and was), if it was 2006 Rutgers would look alot better. The thing that SU, Pitt, and UConn all have over RU obviously is basketball. There is a better chance that both chosen stay good at hoops AND get back to higher level in football than RU getting better at both (or either). The only thing that really sets SU and Pitt apart from UConn currently is their history and the namebrands attached to them. Had UConn been playing D1 football alot longer, had past heisman winners, historic bowl wins, and/or had a WVU-like recent string of success in conference they may be on the inside looking out at one of the other 2 schools that were chosen.

Teams all over the country have excelled without being in a BCS league and other BCS programs have sucked. I still think coaching is more important than conference checks in terms of on field wins and losses.

Conference checks come with TV exposure. They buy better facilities, better coaches, and are visable to more recruits. Teams that have done it outside of BCS conferences don't play real games every week. UConn or Syracuse would be 9+ win teams every year with TCU's schedule (or scheduled OOC like RU). Utah was putting up records like Boise and TCU currently are before they joined the Pac 12. Where are they now? Going to take a bit for them to build to the next level and compete in the BCS.

UConn is in a tough spot due to your location. You are a better option than some current Big 12 and PAC 12 members (Wash St, Iowa St, Texas Tech, etc, etc) but neither of those conferences is coming that far to get you. B1G and ACC are your options and you're not at the very top of the B1G draft board and not needed in the ACC barring defections OR Notre Dame coming on.

Honestly, you should probably be hoping that FSU and Clemson do jump for the Big 12 because that would likely get your phone ringing asap from the ACC.

 

[Rocco]

Every post on any Rutgers board - FAIL.

 

[PhatOrange]

I think if the recent expansion has taught us anything, its that brand name is not what is driving it. Recent on field success is more important.

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You're kidding right?

The teams that expanded were BC, Miami, VT, Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M, Missouri, Syracuse and Pitt. Every single team that has driven expansion has been a name brand. Not one team you named drove anything.

 

[PhatOrange]

Can anyone imagine a legit source connected to a BOT posting garbage like this on a message board. Good lord.

 

[cusestudent]

Can anyone imagine a legit source connected to a BOT posting garbage like this on a message board. Good lord.

Not to mention a so-called faculty member at a major University that has undergrad grammar skills at the very best? When he says faculty member he must mean janitor.

 

[longtimefan]

Which is more delusional - the original RU guarantee, or the UConn response?

http://the-boneyard.com/threads/pen...ys-rutgers-next-in-line-to-join-big-10.19260/

I read that, and all I can picture is a bunch of 14-year-olds playing fantasy sports--or Risk.

 

[bnoro]

I read that, and all I can picture is a bunch of 14-year-olds playing fantasy sports--or Risk.

Hey man, don't knock Risk.

 

[tipphill]

i believe that ru will end up in the big 10 or acc in the future. given the current landscape they will be absorbed as an afterthought, as also ran if you will.

 

[texascpa]

Hey man, don't knock Risk.

lol, just saw that episode yesterday.

 

[SU2NASA]

i believe that ru will end up in the big 10 or acc in the future. given the current landscape they will be absorbed as an afterthought, as also ran if you will.

That's the thing though, conferences are not adding teams as an afterthought, or also rans. The Big Ten and ACC are not charities.

 

[sdhusky]

You're kidding right?

The teams that expanded were BC, Miami, VT, Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M, Missouri, Syracuse and Pitt. Every single team that has driven expansion has been a name brand. Not one team you named drove anything.

There are two (maybe 3) national brands in there - Nebraska and Miami. Maybe Va Tech. None of those other programs have any kind of national following.

 

[sdhusky]

lol, just saw that episode yesterday.

RU will land in a major conference (or the NewACC if FSU leaves) because they are the largest state university not in one. They are a sleeping decent program.

 

[bnoro]

RU will land in a major conference (or the NewACC if FSU leaves) because they are the largest state university not in one. They are a sleeping decent program.

HAHAHAHAHA

Just because they are a large state university? How about the fact their football program has never been to a BCS bowl, their basketball program is horrific, and they don't bring anything to the table? How about the fact their athletic department is drawing from tuition and grant dollars? UMass and UConn deserve to be in a major conference, at least they have done something in one of the major sports.

 

[tipphill]

HAHAHAHAHA

Just because they are a large state university? How about the fact their football program has never been to a BCS bowl, their basketball program is horrific, and they don't bring anything to the table? How about the fact their athletic department is drawing from tuition and grant dollars? UMass and UConn deserve to be in a major conference, at least they have done something in one of the major sports.

sorry it will be ru. a large land grant university with medical and law, major research funding and contacts, aau membership metro location and despite what has been written they still spend. yes athletics up to now has been smoke and mirrors. they will flourish under flood., much to my dismay. they have an upside even financially much more than we do unfortunately.----had they had a better coach that did something with his good recruiting classes and schedueled better they would have been invited before. the best thing for them and worse for us was schiano leaving.

 

[omniorange]

sorry it will be ru. a large land grant university with medical and law, major research funding and contacts, aau membership metro location and despite what has been written they still spend. yes athletics up to now has been smoke and mirrors. they will flourish under flood., much to my dismay. they have an upside even financially much more than we do unfortunately.----had they had a better coach that did something with his good recruiting classes and schedueled better they would have been invited before. the best thing for them and worse for us was schiano leaving.

:rolling:

Oh wait, you're serious?!?

:bat:

Cheers,
Neil

 

[Eagle78]

I think if the recent expansion has taught us anything, its that brand name is not what is driving it. Recent on field success is more important.

TCU to the Big 12, WVU being the most attractive BE school and going to Big 12, Utah going to Pac 12, Bose, SDSU & Houston to the BE.

As BC & Miami have shown us, cashing bigger checks from the ACC doesn't translate into more wins on the field.

You will win more if you have better coaching and stable coaching than if you cashing bigger checks. Conference affiliation helps you pay for those coaches and keep those coaches, but hiring a great coach is still a crap shoot. As a UCONN fan, its nice knowing the northeast's most successful coach of the last 40 years at non-brand name (ie Penn St) is the head of our program.

Your comment about BC is wrong. BC has had more wins in the ACC. For the first seven years in the ACC, BC has won 58 games, including two Atlantic Division titles. For its last seven years in the BE, BC won 53 games. They have been a better team in the ACC and been in a far more secure and lucrative conference than the BE. As a Uconn fan, you should know this given what many have observed to be the rather embarrassing public begging which Uconn has engaged in to try to get into the ACC.

 

[SU2NASA]

RU will land in a major conference (or the NewACC if FSU leaves) because they are the largest state university not in one. They are a sleeping decent program.

Bahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[Cuseman78]

RU will land in a major conference (or the NewACC if FSU leaves) because they are the largest state university not in one. They are a sleeping decent program.

Do you really believe this? Really?

 

[SU2NASA]

Do you really believe this? Really?

RU will land in a major conference (or the NewACC if FSU leaves) because they are the largest state university not in one. They are a sleeping decent program.

By the way, the largest state university not in a major conference is the University of Central Florida with an enrollment of 53,537.

 

[longtimefan]

There are two (maybe 3) national brands in there - Nebraska and Miami. Maybe Va Tech. None of those other programs have any kind of national following.

"Brand" is mostly about football. But not entirely.

 

[SUfaninAZ]

There are two (maybe 3) national brands in there - Nebraska and Miami. Maybe Va Tech. None of those other programs have any kind of national following.

You should have no following after making a statement like that.