Love the RU board when it comes to expansion

[Cuseman78]

Couple interesting factoids:

-Rutgers is 40-108-2 all-time vs. current ACC teams.

-In the last 5 years, Syracuse has won 19 Big East championships in various sports. Rutgers has won zero. That is not a typo. Rutgers has seriously not won ANYTHING in ANY sport in five years. Their entire athletics department is just mired in a culture of failure. They stink and always will. It's just the New Jersey way.

What was the last Rutgers team to win a Big East championship in any sport? Any thoughts RRUUUUUUUU?

 

[OrangeChris]

What was the last Rutgers team to win a Big East championship in any sport? Any thoughts RRUUUUUUUU?

Their baseball team won a share of the regular season crown in 2007 along with St. John's (probably because we don't have a baseball program so we weren't there to beat them). Their women's basketball team won the conference tournament earlier in 2007, but not the regular season title. The women's basketball team did win the regular season title in 2006, but not the tournament. That's pretty much their entire history of "winning" since 2005 (which is as far back as the Big East website goes). Impressive, right?

Rutgers, as an athletic department, and as a school, is a loser. They lose at things. In events in which a winner and a loser is determined, they are almost always the latter. If someone asks the question, "hey, who won the championship?" the answer is never Rutgers.

 

[tipphill]

LOL you cant be serious with this post. First of all last time I checked Flood hasn't even coached a game yet and he was demoted from his previous position at RU because of how bad the offense was. Also you probably dont follow recruiting but Rutgers is getting crushed in NJ this year by Penn State and others and nearly all of there commits had zero offers besides Rutgers. You may want to re-think your position on this.

this year up to now, yes recruiting is off. i was referring the to the recent years 5-10.

 

[Townie72]

this year up to now, yes recruiting is off. i was referring the to the recent years 5-10.

What Rutgers has sold to recruits and its small fan base has been a future of great promise. It was all going to continue to get better. Schiano even talked about a National Championship. And recruits bought into this picture that was painted for them. And the University did too, including a large expansion of a stadium that a few years previously was home to 20,000 on an average Saturday.

And things seem to get better right up to 2006. And then they didn't get better. And the bright future that Schiano and Mulcahy promised started to look less and less inevitable. The phony schedules that Rutgers had hoped people wouldn't notice became more and more obvious.

But it was the failure of Rutgers to be asked to join the ACC or the Big Ten or the Big 12 that really casts a shadow on this great future they have sold. I'm certain Rutgers is telling recruits that "they will be OK" That's the party line and the suggestion is that a B1G or ACC invite is just around the corner. (Yet another shading of the truth.)

But the reality is that no conference wants Rutgers. They are stuck in what looks very much like the C-USA II in spite of what some of their fans "guarantee. Recruits and their parents are increasingly skeptical. And the likely trajectory from here is down and down and down. Less interesting schedules, lower quality recruits, smaller crowds. less revenue. More red ink.

You can only promise and BS for so long. Eventually the string plays itself out. Sooner or later people catch on.

If the next expansion takes three more years, Rutgers will by that time be so diminished that no real Conference will even give them a sniff.

To our credit, SU fans as a group have never given Rutgers any respect. We have never acknowledged them or gave them any credit and that's what drives guys like RRUUU crazy. They wanted to be our rival, hitchhiking on our tradition and history. But we --- for the most part --- never cooperated. We found them "annoying" and "delusional", but never a real rival.

Now we are about to leave the Big East and will in all likelihood never play them again. There's nothing in it for us. RRUUU ought to be on the SMU or Houston board. Yet he's still on here trying to have a conversation with a fan base that is increasingly wondering why we ought to be having any discussion with a Rutgers or UConn fan.

 

[SUATO92]

What Rutgers has sold to recruits and its small fan base has been a future of great promise. It was all going to continue to get better. Schiano even talked about a National Championship. And recruits bought into this picture that was painted for them. And the University did too, including a large expansion of a stadium that a few years previously was home to 20,000 on an average Saturday.

And things seem to get better right up to 2006. And then they didn't get better. And the bright future that Schiano and Mulcahy promised started to look less and less inevitable. The phony schedules that Rutgers had hoped people wouldn't notice became more and more obvious.

But it was the failure of Rutgers to be asked to join the ACC or the Big Ten or the Big 12 that really casts a shadow on this great future they have sold. I'm certain Rutgers is telling recruits that "they will be OK" That's the party line and the suggestion is that a B1G or ACC invite is just around the corner. (Yet another shading of the truth.)

But the reality is that no conference wants Rutgers. They are stuck in what looks very much like the C-USA II in spite of what some of their fans "guarantee. Recruits and their parents are increasingly skeptical. And the likely trajectory from here is down and down and down. Less interesting schedules, lower quality recruits, smaller crowds. less revenue. More red ink.

You can only promise and BS for so long. Eventually the string plays itself out. Sooner or later people catch on.

If the next expansion takes three more years, Rutgers will by that time be so diminished that no real Conference will even give them a sniff.

To our credit, SU fans as a group have never given Rutgers any respect. We have never acknowledged them or gave them any credit and that's what drives guys like RRUUU crazy. They wanted to be our rival, hitchhiking on our tradition and history. But we --- for the most part --- never cooperated. We found them "annoying" and "delusional", but never a real rival.

Now we are about to leave the Big East and will in all likelihood never play them again. There's nothing in it for us. RRUUU ought to be on the SMU or Houston board. Yet he's still on here trying to have a conversation with a fan base that is increasingly wondering why we ought to be having any discussion with a Rutgers or UConn fan.

The last words you wrote are so in point. Why do we care what any Uconn or Rutgers fan thinks about SU. Its called price discovery...the market has spoken and their value has been revealed as pretty close to ZERO. So zls and rrrruuuu can come over here and run their mouths to their hearts content...in a year they will be distant not so fond memory.

 

[crales44]

What Rutgers has sold to recruits and its small fan base has been a future of great promise. It was all going to continue to get better. Schiano even talked about a National Championship. And recruits bought into this picture that was painted for them. And the University did too, including a large expansion of a stadium that a few years previously was home to 20,000 on an average Saturday.

And things seem to get better right up to 2006. And then they didn't get better. And the bright future that Schiano and Mulcahy promised started to look less and less inevitable. The phony schedules that Rutgers had hoped people wouldn't notice became more and more obvious.

But it was the failure of Rutgers to be asked to join the ACC or the Big Ten or the Big 12 that really casts a shadow on this great future they have sold. I'm certain Rutgers is telling recruits that "they will be OK" That's the party line and the suggestion is that a B1G or ACC invite is just around the corner. (Yet another shading of the truth.)

But the reality is that no conference wants Rutgers. They are stuck in what looks very much like the C-USA II in spite of what some of their fans "guarantee. Recruits and their parents are increasingly skeptical. And the likely trajectory from here is down and down and down. Less interesting schedules, lower quality recruits, smaller crowds. less revenue. More red ink.

You can only promise and BS for so long. Eventually the string plays itself out. Sooner or later people catch on.

If the next expansion takes three more years, Rutgers will by that time be so diminished that no real Conference will even give them a sniff.

To our credit, SU fans as a group have never given Rutgers any respect. We have never acknowledged them or gave them any credit and that's what drives guys like RRUUU crazy. They wanted to be our rival, hitchhiking on our tradition and history. But we --- for the most part --- never cooperated. We found them "annoying" and "delusional", but never a real rival.

Now we are about to leave the Big East and will in all likelihood never play them again. There's nothing in it for us. RRUUU ought to be on the SMU or Houston board. Yet he's still on here trying to have a conversation with a fan base that is increasingly wondering why we ought to be having any discussion with a Rutgers or UConn fan.

This entire post is 100% on point, but that last paragraph ought to be enshrined in the Syracusefan.com Hall of Fame.

 

[omniorange]

Couple interesting factoids:

-Rutgers is 40-108-2 all-time vs. current ACC teams.

-In the last 5 years, Syracuse has won 19 Big East championships in various sports. Rutgers has won zero. That is not a typo. Rutgers has seriously not won ANYTHING in ANY sport in five years. Their entire athletics department is just mired in a culture of failure. They stink and always will. It's just the New Jersey way.

Hey, I think you are cheating us out of one. I believe SU has won 20 Big East championships over the past 5 years.

2 regular season men's bb
2 regular season men's lacrosse
1 men's lacrosse championship
2 men's cross country championships

3 regular season field hockey
3 field hockey championships
4 regular season women's lacrosse
1 women's lacrosse championship
2 softball championships

Syracuse has come such a long way under TGD. Taking football out of the equation, I think we have a collection of coaches that match up well with any other university.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[OrangeChris]

Hey, I think you are cheating us out of one. I believe SU has won 20 Big East championships over the past 5 years.

Huh. You're right. I was updating my total based off on old list from another board, but that list apparently omitted the first of our two men's cross country championships. That makes our new official total Syracuse 20, Rutgers 0.

 

[sdhusky]

What Rutgers has sold to recruits and its small fan base has been a future of great promise. It was all going to continue to get better. Schiano even talked about a National Championship. And recruits bought into this picture that was painted for them. And the University did too, including a large expansion of a stadium that a few years previously was home to 20,000 on an average Saturday.

And things seem to get better right up to 2006. And then they didn't get better. And the bright future that Schiano and Mulcahy promised started to look less and less inevitable. The phony schedules that Rutgers had hoped people wouldn't notice became more and more obvious.

But it was the failure of Rutgers to be asked to join the ACC or the Big Ten or the Big 12 that really casts a shadow on this great future they have sold. I'm certain Rutgers is telling recruits that "they will be OK" That's the party line and the suggestion is that a B1G or ACC invite is just around the corner. (Yet another shading of the truth.)

But the reality is that no conference wants Rutgers. They are stuck in what looks very much like the C-USA II in spite of what some of their fans "guarantee. Recruits and their parents are increasingly skeptical. And the likely trajectory from here is down and down and down. Less interesting schedules, lower quality recruits, smaller crowds. less revenue. More red ink.

You can only promise and BS for so long. Eventually the string plays itself out. Sooner or later people catch on.

If the next expansion takes three more years, Rutgers will by that time be so diminished that no real Conference will even give them a sniff.

To our credit, SU fans as a group have never given Rutgers any respect. We have never acknowledged them or gave them any credit and that's what drives guys like RRUUU crazy. They wanted to be our rival, hitchhiking on our tradition and history. But we --- for the most part --- never cooperated. We found them "annoying" and "delusional", but never a real rival.

Now we are about to leave the Big East and will in all likelihood never play them again. There's nothing in it for us. RRUUU ought to be on the SMU or Houston board. Yet he's still on here trying to have a conversation with a fan base that is increasingly wondering why we ought to be having any discussion with a Rutgers or UConn fan.

Of course UCONN has more NC in BB than SU, more final fours, more BCS Bowls and has a winning record all-time in Football. I do wonder why you bring UCONN into it? But thanks for noticing

 

[Bayside44]

Of course UCONN has more NC in BB than SU, more final fours, more BCS Bowls and has a winning record all-time in Football. I do wonder why you bring UCONN into it? But thanks for noticing

We were playing in Fiesta and Orange Bowls while you were still trying to date cheerleaders in high school.

 

[SU2NASA]

Of course UCONN has more NC in BB than SU, more final fours, more BCS Bowls and has a winning record all-time in Football. I do wonder why you bring UCONN into it? But thanks for noticing

You guys should hoist a banner and stare at it while you're festering in a glorified mid-major conference.

 

[sdhusky]

You guys should hoist a banner and stare at it while you're festering in a glorified mid-major conference.

You don't get it. For a program like UCONN or SU, conference affiliation isn't anywhere near as important as coaching. Look at BCU - they have been cashing the biggest non-PSU checks in the northeast and their BB and football programs are at all-time type lows. WVU was in a weak conference and with great coaching, kicked Big 12 & SEC champs all over the field.

You guys play the "tradition" card so hard you lose all credibility. First of all, in the last 40 years, SU has been down except for the end of the MAC era and most of the PP era. Other than that, SU hasn't been anything. So, your tradition isn't keeping your program relevant, but good coaching did.

 

[Faegan]

Of course UCONN has more NC in BB than SU, more final fours, more BCS Bowls and has a winning record all-time in Football. I do wonder why you bring UCONN into it? But thanks for noticing

Plus you have an AG and administration stupid enough to sue the conference you might want to get into someday.

 

[orange79]

You don't get it. For a program like UCONN or SU, conference affiliation isn't anywhere near as important as coaching. Look at BCU - they have been cashing the biggest non-PSU checks in the northeast and their BB and football programs are at all-time type lows. WVU was in a weak conference and with great coaching, kicked Big 12 & SEC champs all over the field.

You guys play the "tradition" card so hard you lose all credibility. First of all, in the last 40 years, SU has been down except for the end of the MAC era and most of the PP era. Other than that, SU hasn't been anything. So, your tradition isn't keeping your program relevant, but good coaching did.

Well, gee whiz. If tradition and history don't matter, then why are we taking our measly 1 NC to the ACC, while you're stuck in...whatever you want to call that. And please, don't give me the 'BC blackballed us' nonsense - BC doesn't have the power to blackball anyone.

 

[sdhusky]

Well, gee whiz. If tradition and history don't matter, then why are we taking our measly 1 NC to the ACC, while you're stuck in...whatever you want to call that. And please, don't give me the 'BC blackballed us' nonsense - BC doesn't have the power to blackball anyone.

When the Atlantic Coast Conference decided to expand to 14 teams, going after the Big East specifically, Syracuse was the first target. The second target was UConn, which was part of the Northeast footprint the​

​

ACC​

​

wanted, and was coming off a BCS bid in football and its third championship in men's basketball, according to a story in Sunday's​

​

Boston Globe​

.​

While Syracuse presented no problem, according to the Globe, UConn did -- to Boston College, which was still fuming over what it perceived to be vitriolic comments made when Boston College was finally invited to join the ACC and started competing in 2005. UConn and Pittsburgh filed a lawsuit against Boston College, and men's basketball coach Jim Calhoun made comments about never playing Boston College again.​

Boston College athletics director Gene DeFilippo told the Globe that the school opposed the inclusion of UConn.​

"We didn't want them in,'' he told the Globe. "It was a matter of turf. We wanted to be the New England team.''​

Read more: http://www.ctpost.com/uconn/article/Report-BC-blocked-UConn-from-ACC-2210485.php#ixzz1wHE99s1l​

 

[SU2NASA]

You don't get it. For a program like UCONN or SU, conference affiliation isn't anywhere near as important as coaching. Look at BCU - they have been cashing the biggest non-PSU checks in the northeast and their BB and football programs are at all-time type lows. WVU was in a weak conference and with great coaching, kicked Big 12 & SEC champs all over the field.

You guys play the "tradition" card so hard you lose all credibility. First of all, in the last 40 years, SU has been down except for the end of the MAC era and most of the PP era. Other than that, SU hasn't been anything. So, your tradition isn't keeping your program relevant, but good coaching did.

So why do you bother coming over here and trying to convince us you're anything other than completely in the future? Don't you get it, your program means nothing, the Big Ten and the ACC are not charities, they recognize you bring little to nothing to the table, and there's a reason you're being left to fester. At best, you were a second choice to us, and basically at best, a second-choice that no one really cared one way or another to keep. They cared about us, not you.

I don't give two shits what you think about SU, our tradition, or what delusions you have that anyone with any power in college athletics perceives of your school. Keep trying to convince yourself you're not completely screwed and go back to your own board and maybe you can convince each other that you'll be anything more than a footnote of mediocrity.

Get lost, go enjoy playing in the new ConferenceUSA. Your delusions are tired.

 

[Cuseman78]

You guys play the "tradition" card so hard you lose all credibility. First of all, in the last 40 years, SU has been down except for the end of the MAC era and most of the PP era. Other than that, SU hasn't been anything. So, your tradition isn't keeping your program relevant, but good coaching did.

We've been down except for that time we went 11-0-1 or went to the Sugar Bowl or Orange Bowl or Fiesta Bowl or won 5 conference titles or went to bowls in 15 straight years or bla bla bla. You sound like a Rutgers fan. We have a long history, have a ton of accomplishments, we are proud of it, and obviously we are going to use that in any arguments against schools with no history like a Uconn or Rutgers.

I have no problem with Uconn bball fans talking smack and claiming to be the best team in BE history etc etc. But surely you realize how silly a Syracuse fan would think it is for a school who has been around for 5 years (and the other who just found out they had a football team 5 yrs ago) to come here and poo poo our football accomplishments, right? And yes, I'm aware we haven't been good in a decade. We'll see if Uconn fans play their "history" card after the Calhoun swoon which is about to start very soon. My guess is you will (and should).

 

[OrangeChris]

Of course UCONN has more NC in BB than SU

No, you have more tournament era National Championships. You have exactly the same number of National Championships as us... but I wouldn't expect you to know that college basketball existed prior to 1999.

more final fours

No, you don't. We both have 4... but I wouldn't expect you to know that college basketball existed prior to 1999.

more BCS Bowls

No, you don't. You have fewer... but I wouldn't expect you to know that college football existed prior to 2010.

and has a winning record all-time in Football.

But you have a losing all-time record in Big East play, as does Rutgers & Temple. You know who doesn't have an all-time losing record in the Big East? A bunch of teams that now play in the ACC, and one in the Big 12.

 

[sdhusky]

No, you have more tournament era National Championships. You have exactly the same number of National Championships as us... but I wouldn't expect you to know that college basketball existed prior to 1999.



No, you don't. We both have 4... but I wouldn't expect you to know that college basketball existed prior to 1999.



No, you don't. You have fewer... but I wouldn't expect you to know that college football existed prior to 2010.



But you have a losing all-time record in Big East play, as does Rutgers & Temple. You know who doesn't have an all-time losing record in the Big East? A bunch of teams that now play in the ACC, and one in the Big 12.

So... what you are saying is that Princeton is the top football program in the NE?

 

[OrangeChris]

So... what you are saying is that Princeton is the top football program in the NE?

So what you're saying is that every one of your points was proven to be wrong and you're not man enough to admit it, so will instead make some lame "joke" that has nothing to do with you being wrong about Final Fours & BCS Bowls? Gotcha. I don't mind friendly debates with rival fans, but at least do a modicum of research before posting "facts" (seriously, how hard is it to check # of Final Fours?), and when/if you're proven to be BLATANTLY wrong, take it in stride, man up and say you were wrong. Geez, have some self-respect.

I was wrong about something earlier in this thread, Neil corrected me, and I (GASP!) actually typed "you're right," to another person on the internet... and the world wide web didn't explode!

PS: Comparing Syracuse playing in BCS bowls in the late 1990's to Princeton (who last won a football national championship over 75 years ago) makes complete sense.

 

[orange79]

When the Atlantic Coast Conference decided to expand to 14 teams, going after the Big East specifically, Syracuse was the first target. The second target was UConn, which was part of the Northeast footprint the​

​

ACC​

​

wanted, and was coming off a BCS bid in football and its third championship in men's basketball, according to a story in Sunday's​

​

Boston Globe​

.​

While Syracuse presented no problem, according to the Globe, UConn did -- to Boston College, which was still fuming over what it perceived to be vitriolic comments made when Boston College was finally invited to join the ACC and started competing in 2005. UConn and Pittsburgh filed a lawsuit against Boston College, and men's basketball coach Jim Calhoun made comments about never playing Boston College again.​

Boston College athletics director Gene DeFilippo told the Globe that the school opposed the inclusion of UConn.​

"We didn't want them in,'' he told the Globe. "It was a matter of turf. We wanted to be the New England team.''​

​

​

Read more: http://www.ctpost.com/uconn/article/Report-BC-blocked-UConn-from-ACC-2210485.php#ixzz1wHE99s1l​

I fully understand that BC didn't want you in. But I don't see anything that says BC blackballed you. I see DeFlipface pumping up his own ego and over-inflating his role, but nothing else. BC saying they didn't want you in the ACC was not the primary reason you didn't get invited (see the numerous reasons you didn't make the cut posted in this thread).

 

[HOFCeluck]

LOL at a UCONN fan beating his chest about his Big East championship-by-default.

 

[HOFCeluck]

The Uconn fans fail to realize that the B1G doesn't have to "settle" for Uconn or Rutgers becasue they happen to be "best available." If the B1G really wanted to expand they could just as easily look to the ACC or the B12.

While Uconn fans gleefully await the destruction of the ACC, they fail to realize that their best chances lie with Notre Dame accepting an ACC invite.

 

[Eagle78]

Well, gee whiz. If tradition and history don't matter, then why are we taking our measly 1 NC to the ACC, while you're stuck in...whatever you want to call that. And please, don't give me the 'BC blackballed us' nonsense - BC doesn't have the power to blackball anyone.

You are 100% correct. While its no doubt true that BC did not want Uconn in the ACC based on the published comments by GD, BC does not have the power to single handily block anyone.

You have to laugh at the Uconn fans. After years of ridiculing BC as the "red headed stepchild" in the ACC who nobody in the ACC paid any attention to, now, when it suits their purpose, they claim that BC was able to block Uconn's entry into the ACC. It is pretty clear, despite the Uconn fans' attempt to spin it otherwise, that there was likely a lot of other opposition to their being invited into the ACC when SU and Pitt were invited.

As has been said by others here, it probably wasn't the smartest idea in the world to lead the charge in the ACC lawsuit. Karma has a funny way of catching up with you.

 

[orangenirvana]

I'm actually sort of shocked sdhusky is even allowed to post on this forum. He's quite possibly the biggest douche on the internet.